Lancer VI

6 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

Well I was mostly referring to stocks. Anytime they put out articles to buy buy buy its usually to pump it so the smart folks can sell.

 

As for your cards, man that is some rough luck, sorry to hear that. What did you replace them with?

Ah.....My bad. I'm slow, but sure....lol.

I just picked up a 6650 XT. I needed a new backujp GPU anyway. My R9 290s were getting long in the tooth and I gave away my 980 ti when I moved.

I don't care how bad it is. Please, dear God; keep trying Intel. The space desperately needs a 3rd player.

Where are Matrox, 3dfx, S3, Rendition, Chromatic Research, Cirrus Logic when you need them? Seriously?

18 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

Basically any article saying now is the time to buy, is actually the time to sell.

Indeed, but I just had something very unfortunate happen; both my 3090 and my 6950 XT both went down within a month of each other. I've been building since 1991 and I've never had such a run of bad luck before. To be fair, I just move clear across the US, after retiring and some of my gear clearly didn't survive. I drove literally coast to coast.

Anyway, I just had to buy a card to tide me over. Sucks too. Cards are still way overpriced to me, but then,  I'm on a fixed income now. lol.

16 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

Yeah I have to say, the IHS could het very messy with a little too much TIM. 

 

On the other hand, will be interesting to see how this pans out with Intel. Bypassing this gen personally, but will be interesting nonetheless.

Yeah, me too. My 5900x and 5800x3d are more than enough for now, plus I have a ton of DDR4 that cost me an arm and a leg back in the day and now that I'm retired, that fixed income has me slowing down my upgrade cycle.

Cheers,

Lancer VI

Based on everything I've seen; contingent on 3rd party reviews of course, I believe a 6800XT and 5800X/5900x are in my near purchasing future. I already run a 3900XT/1080 ti on the Asus Crosshair VIII x570, so they're both drop in upgrades.

This will be my main rig for at least 3 years, barring some revolutionary thing that catches my attention during that time frame.

I'm quite sure nVidia will respond in kind, with Ampere on 7nm TSMC, based on all the rumors floating around and it will be the outright top lineup again. But I've been trapped in the "I'll wait for something better that's coming" cycle one too many times and will just get what I can get now.

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After a couple of weeks of rumor, as well as a couple of years of hearsay, AMD has gone feet first into a full acquisition of FPGA manufacturer Xilinx. The deal involves an all-stock transaction, leveraging AMD’s sizeable share price in order to enable an equivalent $143 per Xilinx share – current AMD stockholders will still own 74% of the combined company, while Xilinx stockholders will own 26%. The combined $135 billion entity will total 13000 engineers, and expand AMD’s total addressable market to $110 Billion. It is believed that the key reasons for the acquisition lie in Xilinx’s adaptive computing solutions for the data center market.

AMD CEO Dr. Lisa Su

“Our acquisition of Xilinx marks the next leg in our journey to establish AMD as the industry’s high performance computing leader and partner of choice for the largest and most important technology companies in the world. This is truly a compelling combination that will create significant value for all stakeholders, including AMD and Xilinx shareholders who will benefit from the future growth and upside potential of the combined company. The Xilinx team is one of the strongest in the industry and we are thrilled to welcome them to the AMD family. By combining our world-class engineering teams and deep domain expertise, we will create an industry leader with the vision, talent and scale to define the future of high performance computing.”

Source: AnandTech

Ok there Jensen....lol

Seriously though, I've ran a myriad of cards since ATI, nVidia, 3dfx; you name it, chances are I had one. 

I have two AMD cards now; a 5700xt and a 5700. I experience NONE of the issues people were discussing. Over that past 7-8 years I've had 2x R9 290s, a 980 ti and 1080 ti and more recently the 5700 cards; one at work and one at home.

I've never really experienced any driver issues with any. I think the "AMD drivers suxor" is vastly overblown. Are AMD's software features up to nVidia's? Of course not. But it's nowhere near the problematic mess people talk about.

Of course, I'm perfectly willing to admit that I'm a sample size of one, but as you go off your experience, mine was completely different. 

2 hours ago, Mistio said:

Shame drivers will pull it down :(. 

How do you figure that?

Full Title: AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT “Big Navi” GPU Alleged 3DMark Benchmarks Leaked – Faster Than GeForce RTX 3080 at 4K, Slower In Port Royal Ray Tracing

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Alleged performance benchmarks for the AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT "Big Navi" graphics card have been leaked out. The numbers come from an AMD AIB partner who has mentioned to us that the performance metrics are based on an early engineering board and that they can further improve by the time the card launches.

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The benchmarks for the AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT "Big Navi GPU" graphics card we were shown include 3DMark Firestrike Ultra (4K), Time Spy Extreme (4K), and Port Royal Default (4K). Graphics performance charts that we happen to take a look at show the Radeon RX 6000 series "Big Navi GPU" graphics card being referred to as "E438". The card was compared to the GeForce RTX 3080 and the GeForce RTX 2080Ti graphics cards from NVIDIA.

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So, if correct, Moore's Law is Dead leaks/rumors about Big Navi roughly matching Turing in RT seems to be about right. If true and the price is correct, this card's a winner. 6900XT should be a monster.

4 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

 

Well for you it is a no brainer if AMD bring their game and at a realistic price, the latter which in my mind is a given compared to Nvidia.

That's essentially how I see it. Chances of going AMD this time for a GPU is near 100% if they're anywhere in the ballpark with Ampere. Last AMD card I used for my main rig was a 290. Went with 980 ti and 1080ti after. I'm looking forward to the switch, if I'm honest. I don't like to stay in one camp for too long. That's why I suspect my next build, CPU wise, will be Intel. Let's just hope they can finally get on track. 

It's a weird thing about myself; and here is some insight into me. If I have two pencils at my desk, I have to use them equally. It's always been a weird quirk. I'm the same with a lot of things, including what I buy. The only exemption? Coca-Cola! Coke never gets switched out.

1 hour ago, ENTERPRISE said:

I just wish that AMD did as well in hardware acceleration as Nvidia with respects to transcoding and other accelerated applications. Cuda is still king in this area and that also factors into my buying decisions, otherwise I would be on AMD so fast.

Fortunately for me, I don't do much hobby/work at home anymore. Primarily gaming, which for me is flight simming and wargaming. So whilst my cpu; a 3900XT is kind of out of a job, my next GPU is going to be purchased only for max gaming performance for a "reasonable" price.

I do understand the need though.

1 hour ago, Darkpriest667 said:

I'll be waiting next week to see what AMD announces. If they have availability and the performance I'm sold and I'll sell both my 1080ti and my 1080 and replace them with AMD cards.

17 minutes ago, bwalker36 said:

If big navi is within 10% on price and performance and I can buy it without an issue I probably will.  The only thing that might stop me is if it just gets destroyed on ray tracing.  I don't upgrade super often so I would plan to use it for most likely two generations.

Same. My 1080ti and 980ti are getting just a tad long in the tooth, though, the 1080ti is still a beast!! I put my 5700XT in my son's computer, though he just left for the Navy, so I need to repurpose it.  But with VR flight simming becoming my primary gaming focus, I definitely need more grunt for DCS and the upcoming VR mode for FS2020.

The 30XX series launch was now, very obviously in hindsight, a stop gap measure against AMD and the impending Big Navi. 

I make no allusions of Big Navi's supremacy in performance, but it appears that it is close, and nVidia seems to know this. Hence this hasty "launch" of the 30XX series with not but a few cards to sell, on a stop gap Samsung 8nm, with a suboptimal VRAM configuration. 

AMD may not have the oft spoke of "mindshare" in the GPU segment, but I can't help to think that AMD's ascendancy in CPUs and computing in general, is in the mind of enthusiasts everywhere and that this can't but bleed into the GPU side of things if AMD has something worthwhile on offer.  

You know it's coming, probably with a "Super" tag attached.

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NVIDIA allegedly cancels its December launch of GeForce RTX 3080 20GB and RTX 3070 16GB. This still very fresh information comes from two independent sources. Technically GeForce RTX 3080 20GB and RTX 3070 16GB could launch at a later time, but the information that we have clearly stated that those SKUs have been canceled, not postponed. NVIDIA has already canceled its RTX 3070 Ti model (PG141 SKU 0), so the RTX 3070 16GB (PG141 SKU5) and RTX 3080 20GB (PG132 SKU20) will be joining the list.

 

The GeForce RTX 3080 20GB was expected to be a response to AMD Radeon RX 6900/6800 series featuring Navi 21 GPU. All three AMD SKUs will feature 16GB of memory, leaving NVIDIA with a smaller frame buffer to compete with.

 

We do not know the official reason for the cancellation. The RTX 3080 20GB might have been scrapped due to low GDDR6X yield issues, one source claims. The reason behind RTX 3070 16GB cancellation is unknown (this SKU uses GDDR6 memory).

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I don't care what it is, truth be told. If it performs, is available and at a reasonable price is pretty much all care about. 

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In AMD’s Graphics Power ONLY the supply voltages of the GPU for the GFX controller (VDDCR_GFX) and SOC controller (VDDCR_SOC) are included as the most important component, as well as the supply voltages for the memory as VDDMEM and VDDCI (controller and bus). AMD thus summarizes, in short, the pure GPU power consumption (“socket power”) and that of the memory. However, this value does not contain more than this! Furthermore, according to AMD’s Thermal Design Guide, as a TGP it refers only to the thermal load, i.e. the power dissipation to be cooled in these areas of the GPU and memory surface.

To get a fair comparison with NVIDIA now, you have to look at the whole thing in its entirety. I had already done the math for the GeForce RTX 3090 and was almost right on the watt. With the actual GPU power (according to NVIDIA’s Thermal Design Guide) of 228 watts for the GeForce RTX 3090, I ended up with only 2 watts difference. I transfer now the former calculation once to the GeForce RTX 3080 for better comparability:

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It's a start. We have to start somewhere. God, how I wish I could live another 100 years. 

Time's almost up.....

1 hour ago, UltraMega said:

If Microsoft ever manages to make a full windows non arm based device that's as small as a phone and can make calls... Well they would really be on to something. I think that's been their game plan for years now and they're just waiting for the perfect time to strike, once the hardware is fully ready. 

I loved my Windows phone.  As far as mobile OSes go, it was the absolute best, IMO. It was fantastic. Of course, the lack of apps and limited phone models killed it. I really lamented that. 

If they ever return to that space; I look forward to getting a Surface phone because I would definitely get one. 

Hello!

Been here a couple weeks now, but I figured I should still say "hello".......so Hello!

I feel kinda dirty. OCN has been my daily driver for years now, but I think we all know how the wind is blowing. 

Cheers,

Lancer VI

Yeah. I don't see a problem either, but I find it interesting that a GPU/AI/Data Science company can't figure out the bot issue with their site. I admittedly know nothing about it, but you'd think they could figure it out in relatively short order. 

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In an unprecedented move caused by all the stock issues around these graphics cards, Founders Edition models are now being sold directly by Best Buy in the US, rather than from the Nvidia site.

 

Nvidia said in a statement: “We have heard your feedback regarding the Nvidia online store and are working to improve the experience.

https://www.techradar.com/in/news/nvidia-admits-defeat-with-rtx-3080-and-3090-founders-edition-stock-passes-baton-to-best-buy

Also from Tom's

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/founders-edition-rtx-3080-and-rtx-3090s-cut-from-nvidia-store-limited-to-best-buy-temporarily

Very interesting. 

Looks like they're still trying to figure out what to do in Europe.

2 hours ago, Andrew said:

No 4000 series then?

I may upgrade to this. I do need a better CPU and more RAM so it seems like it would be a good idea. I'm going to go 8c/16t this time. I thought 6c/12t would be enough for a very long time, turns out it wasn't.

Yeah, I think AMD is trying to differentiate between 4000 series Renoir APUs which is based on Zen2 and 5000 which I believe is 'Warhol', based on Zen3.

If the rumors are true about an 8 core, single CCX; I'm going to switch out my 3900X for the 5800X or whatever the 8 core equivalent is. Not doing much work at home anymore, so gaming/simming is my primary use case. 

Greetings and salutations. The Cav is here!