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  1. Welcome to the ExtremeHW 48-hour Folding Competition, March 23rd, March 24th *UTC* Start Time: March 23 00:00 UTC End Time: March 25 00:00 UTC Countdown to Event Start Countdown to Event Stop ^^CLICK THOSE IF YOU LIVE SOMEWHERE NOT UTC TIME ZONE^^ How to participate: During the competition you must be folding for Team 239902 Stats: You can view the stats for the foldathon here: https://ehwfoldingstats.lazypenguin.com Prizes: p.m. @damric or @firedfly if you have something suitable to give away* Folding Time Prizes: tbd Excluded from Prizes: tbd Mind the EVENT START TIMER as it is UTC time zone. Note: Stats are updated as soon as possible, but less frequent than desired. Just keep folding! Note: Extreme Team Members remember to use a different pass key than your ETF key (If you don't know what that is then it probably does not apply to you). Folding is stressful on hardware, and will often break an overclock unless it's been tested with folding. I do not recommend overclocking high end GPUs as the power draw can be extreme while folding. If anything, try tuning for energy efficiency. Casualties happen and EXTREMEHW can not be held accountable if you destroy your hardware while folding. Thank you for your participation! *must be approved so please send message in private before posting.
  2. Next-gen GPUs likely arriving in late 2024 with GDDR7 memory — Samsung and SK hynix chips showed chips at GTC From Tom's Hardware Next-gen GPUs likely arriving in late 2024 with GDDR7 memory
  3. Good times! I remember having 6 GPU's folding on the X299 Sage board and a few spread over different systems. A lot of heat and a big powerbill, even with the lower electricity price at the time. But remember, always look at how many units someone folded and not only at the points. I can't compare with some of the OG's who had hardware online for 15 years. The current generation of hardware is just silly, 30mil points on a single GPU was what took us weeks back in '10.. Anyways, I gotta get some hardware together for another system as I need to beat @Avacado
  4. "Revised" uArch in the APUs, makes sense. I do wonder if we'll see a Navi 3x dGPU revision, though. (Ala RX 590) ROCm 5.6 has listings for RX 7950XT/X, etc. So, maybe it is in the cards? AMD Lists Radeon RX 7950 XTX, Other Unreleased Graphics Cards | Tom's Hardware WWW.TOMSHARDWARE.COM AMD's ROCm 5.6 lists numerous unannounced Radeon RX 7000-series graphics cards.
  5. Ha, at least not me. I'm putting together hardware as we speak Get well soon
  6. Welcome to the EXTREMEHW Second Annual 96-Hour Folding Challenge February 23-26, 2024 *UTC* Start Time: February 23 00:00 UTC End Time: February 27 00:00 UTC Countdown to Event Start Countdown to Event Stop ^^CLICK THOSE IF YOU LIVE SOMEWHERE NOT UTC TIME ZONE^^ How to participate: 1) During the competition you must be folding for Team 239902 2) Post "IN <folding username>" in this thread Rules and Prizes: - 1st place overall points gets first overall prize pick. - 2nd place overall points gets second overall prize pick. - 3rd place overall points gets third overall prize pick. - The rest of the prizes will be awarded as random draw. - Minimum 10 Work Units completed to be eligible for the first round of random prizes. - If there are leftover prizes, then there will be a second round of random draws that require 20 Work Units completed. Following last year's tournament, EHW incurred additional expenses distributing prizes to winners in the form of shipping and border duties/taxes. Please ensure you ask additional questions if you are selected as a winner. If you do NOT wish to cover import duty fees established by your country, please refuse the prize when selected. EHW will do everything in our power to ask vendors to label items as gifts with $0 values, but we ultimately can't control labeling/shipping mistakes on their behalf. Stats: CLICK HERE FOR THE SCORE CARD Sponsored Prizes: - CORSAIR K70 CORE RGB Mechanical Gaming Keyboard Link (2 Available Prizes) - CORSAIR M75 AIR WIRELESS Ultra-Lightweight Gaming Mouse Link (2 Available Prizes) - CORSAIR HS80 MAX WIRELESS Gaming Headset Link (2 Available Prizes) - CORSAIR A115 Twin Tower CPU Air Cooler Link (2 Available Prizes) - be quiet! DARK ROCK ELITE Link (Shipped to USA and Canada Only) - be quiet DARK ROCK PRO 5 Link (Shipped to USA and Canada only) In House Prizes: - 1 Year EXTREMEHW Premium Bronze Account, 10 to give away via @ENTERPRISE Link - EXTREMEHW/F@H Unisex Tee, 5 to give away via @damric (8 styles to choose) Link - EXTREMEHW Desk Mat, 5 to give away via @damric (7 styles to choose) Link - Tofu Jr 65% Custom Mechanical Keyboard and 10 keypad via @keeph8n Link Excluded from Prizes: Avacado, damric, iamjanco, The Pook Mind the EVENT START TIMER as it is UTC time zone. Note: Stats are updated as soon as possible, but less frequent than desired. Just keep folding! Note: Extreme Team Members remember to use a different pass key than your ETF key (If you don't know what that is then it probably does not apply to you). Folding is stressful on hardware, and will often break an overclock unless it's been tested with folding. I do not recommend overclocking high end GPUs as the power draw can be extreme while folding. If anything, try tuning for energy efficiency. Casualties happen and EXTREMEHW can not be held accountable if you destroy your hardware while folding. Thank you for your participation! WINNERS!!!
  7. @Avacadohit the nail on the head. +1 to avoiding EK. They are really overpriced yet have massive quality control issues with most of their products. You never know what you are going to get whether its faulty DD blocks, dirty misfitting tubing, to really crappy coolants. Instead I agree with Avocado's list that the likes of Aquacomputer, Heatkiller (Watercool), Optimus, Bitspower, Phanteks, Alphacool (generally) are all generally considered to be quality and should cost considerably less than brands like EK for similar or better performance. I'm using a clear premix right now since I had it and figured I should just use them, but I agree that distilled water with Mayhems Inhibitor+ and Hades+ drops is all you need. Having had issues with glycol based coolants collecting little bits of congealed glycol in the Optimus block, I'll probably either look at other premixes or more likely just switch back to distilled + those additives. You don't have to get all your parts from one vendor. It might make it easier as a first timer, but I generally mix and match. I like Aquacomputer or Heatkiller reservoirs for the material quality, but I might like blocks from various companies depending on who has the best performer for a given block type, while choosing Alphacool or Hardware Labs radiators, with fittings from Bitspower, Monsoon, Barrow, or whoever is making what I need that's quality. For pumps I am also more of a D5 guy. For a single component loop, one should serve your needs just fine. D5's utilize the coolant/water of your loop for cooling, and in my experience are generally quiet (though not silent). Once my fans are ramping up a bit I can't hear my 100% speed D5 at all. DDC's on the other hand use external heatsinks, but I have also heard they tend to be louder. I've never actually used a DDC in any of my loops so just speaking from what I've heard and not from experience. The other difference is that D5's tend to provide better flow rates while DDC's tend to be better head pressure. Head pressure is good for high restriction loops to maintain flow, but a simple loop a single D5 will do just fine. So you can really go either way here. Tubing - I wouldn't go into hard tubing a first go around. Hell I'm not sure I'll ever do it again either. Stick to soft tubing and again Avacado gave good recommendations for which tubing to get, and I agree with those recs. Pull vs push does not matter and performs the same. If the question is should you have fresh air intaking into the radiator vs exhausting used up case air through it, I imagine its not a big deal either way as long as you have good airflow.
  8. OnePlus Says It Will Not Bring a 7-Year Update Support Plan To Its Phones, Because The Hardware Will Simply Not Keep Up With The Features WCCFTECH.COM OnePlus President says the company will not bring seven years' of updates to phones because the hardware will not match the new features This assertion seems far from accurate in my experience. Having avidly followed hardware trends and delved into specifications for years, it's evident that smartphone manufacturers have been increasing lithium battery voltage for quite some time. This ostensibly boosts capacity marginally while significantly compromising the battery lifespan—a clever ploy for planned obsolescence. However, let's not be swayed by these misleading claims. Modern smartphones are, without a doubt, technologically advanced and often overpowered for the average user. The capability to handle 4k and even 8k output is commonplace. In fact, these devices can effortlessly support multiple concurrent applications like YouTube, Chrome, and others without any noticeable lag. Remarkably, in some cases, they even outperform Windows 11 on high-end hardware. It's clear that the hardware has surpassed the needs of 99% of users in today's technological landscape. Mr.Bonami
  9. Yep, love those prints, plan to get more once I finish basement renovations, currently: X-wing, Lego Man, and Gameboy And yeah, first generation Schiit Jotunheim (bought cheap from an old OCN member because the USB DAC is gone bad) driven from a Topping E50, definitely overkill for just my ATH-M50x's, but does sound amazing and will allow me to eventually get some much nicer headphones. That is a 3rd gen 2i2, I use input 1 for my SM-58 mic through that McBoost, and I use input 2 for my Roland FP-30X digital piano when I want to record some stuff or have it play through my audio system. And then that's an EVGA 8800 GTS 640 MB that I'm holding on to for a retro PC build at some point, but it needs a couple capacitors replaced first, right now it crashes as soon as you try to do anything that needs hardware acceleration. It works in Windows 7 with no Nvidia driver installed just being used as a generic video adapter.
  10. EHW Gonzo Journalist Update: It's not *just* Windows support; Win10x86 and Linux will not save your old games. @pio has tested Steam on Linux (Kubuntu), using a Socket 939 Dual-Core Opteron 180 CPU. Unfortunately, just like Windows 8.1-> 64-bit, the Steam Client itself now requires "CMPXCHG16B" (as well as x86-64/AMD64 and SSE3). In addition to these new onerous hardware requirements, Valve cannot even properly prompt the user to resolve the issue! Valve's error message upon attempting to open the client reads as follows: This is notable, due to the fact @pio was using an AMD Opteron CPU at time of receiving the error. Even Valve Software is completely and utterly ignorant and incompetent in the impact and scope of this change to its userbase. Sadly, this means that all games sold on Steam that were compatible w/ systems @ time of sale, are now no longer compatible with their listed system requirements. In my objective opinion, this change from Valve Software constitutes damages to the longest-time and Core customer base of Valve Software's Steam digital distribution platform. Many of us have hundreds of dollars in games, purchased-during and ran-on the hardware listed in the system requirements. This is easily the most anti-consumer move from Valve Software, we've seen yet. Contractual Purchases have been violated, and the damages are easily-defined. I personally look forward to any Legal Action regarding this completely unnecessary and burdensome scenario, precipitated entirely by Valve Software. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ *Possible* band-aid workaround for Linux users: Steam not run. Error: Sorry, this computer's CPU is too old to run Steam. :: Steam for Linux General Discussions STEAMCOMMUNITY.COM Steam client version (build number or date): - Distribution (e.g. Ubuntu): opensuse-tumbleweed 20200501 64-bit Opted into Steam client beta?: No Have you checked for system updates?: Yes CPU: Xeon L5420... (thanks SteamUser x_wing)
  11. EHW Retro - The ExtremeHW.net Retrogaming Club aka the I Need More Alcohol and Q-tips Club Welcome to EHW Retro, the ExtremeHW.net Retrogaming club. Atari or Coleco, Nintendo or Sega, Game Boy or Game Gear, Sony or Microsoft, it's all the same here! If you have an Atari ST, a Commodore 64, a Macintosh or an IBM AT, or even just older PC hardware, this is the place for you too! I am not sure how much interest there will be in this, but I figured I'd remake my club here. Whether you have a small collection, a medium collection or a large collection, everyone is welcome here. If you think games were better when you were growing up, and you want to relive the nostalgia, this is the place for you. If you played a game back in the day, but you can't remember what it was, this is the place to ask. Feel free to post pictures of your newly acquired games, post pictures of your collections, and so on. If you go to gaming conventions, feel free to post pics of those too- we would love to see them! Retrogaming includes all consoles, handhelds, arcades and computers prior to the Eight generation (PS4, Xbox One, Wii U) which is still technically ongoing, even though we're in the Ninth generation now with the recently released systems. As long as new games still come out for the PS4 and Xbox One, they won't be considered retro, sorry. Update for 2022: This year, the Vita has become retro per the 10 year rule and in about a month the Wii U will as well if you want to list them. The 3DS also qualifies. This was a request of members of the old club (10 years) though I personally feel a game or system isn't retro until it's 15 years old. How to Join Joining is simple. Just post your EHW name, and a small list of the consoles you own separated by commas. I'm putting this here since some people ignore it, if you want to join and have 10+ consoles, I need them put into a list with commas like in the club members list below. I will not add you if you use bullets, line breaks or any other format besides a simple sentence with commas. If you want you can include an estimate of how many games you have. You can include classic computers, handhelds or arcade cabinets if you want. Look at my listing in the members list as an example in how to format your application. Members list: neurotix (Founder) - NES, SNES (x2), PC Engine Core Grafx, Master System, Genesis, Sega CD(x2), 32X (x2), Saturn (x2), Dreamcast (x2), Game Gear, Game Boy Color, Game Boy Advance SP, PS2, Xbox, PSP-1000, PSP Go, Macintosh SE w/ replaced PRAM battery and 4MB NEC 80ns SIMMs. 250+ games on cart. ENTERPRISE - PS3 pioneerisloud -AMD K6-III 450 @ 600MHz, AMD Athlon Thunderbird @ 1100MHz, AMD AthlonXP 3200+ @ 2.2GHz, as well as many other retro AMD PC setups Sir Beregond - PS2 Fluxmaven - Sega Genesis, PSP, Xbox 360, liquid cooled PS4 axipher - Gameboy Colour, Gameboy Advance, Gameboy Advance SP, DS Lite, DSiXL, PSP-1000, NES, N64, GCN, Wii, PS2 Slim, PS3 Fat, Xbox 360, Q6600 / 8800 GTS Crysis rig (lol) Slaughtahouse - Nintendo 64, Nintendo GameCube, Nintendo Wii, Nintendo Switch, Gameboy Color, Gameboy Advance, Nintendo DS, Nintendo DS Lite, Nintendo 3DS, SNES Classic, Xbox 360
  12. The review is out on Tom's Hardware Intel Core i9-14900KS Review: The Last Core i9 Hits Record 6.2 GHz at Stock Settings
  13. That's what I was getting @: From what I've observed PCs are 'too dynamic' in workloads and hardware configurations to (fully) optimize a scheduler (vs. a fixed-function, fixed-hardware Console or Industrial Appliance). As I recall, getting sub-tasks assigned to the correct hardware (at the right moment) is the crux with AAA Games' performance/optimization. Also IIRC, Msft eventually re-doing the Windows' thread scheduler retroactively uplifted old multi-core CPUs, like AMD FX. Sounds to me like this could be quite (r)evolutionary, for all applications. Hopefully, technology like this will become standardized or at least normalized (Rather than kept away from plebian consumers, as is and has been done w/ HBM, PCM, and multi-gig Ethernet)
  14. Yes PLEASE continue and discuss PCs in this club, post pictures of rare hardware, post pictures of rigs, give me specs of rigs to add to your club membership, and I'll maybe learn some stuff in the process. The LAST thing I want is for the club to split. I am currently trying to get E to approve this club as official so I can add that to the thread title. I am sorry for the confusion I caused in editing that post. Also it's not like I don't remember all the generations of hardware myself, I just don't have any room for old hardware. I can tell you one thing: I suck at it but I*love* UT2004 and especially Onslaught mode.
  15. Game Developers Conference (GDC) and Nvidia's GPU Technology Conference (GTC) is also next week. We won't hear about consumer class GPUs (SKUs, hardware, pricing etc.) but...I do expect some form of update on Blackwell architecture. Whether it's the enterprise counterpart and/or the technology we can expect to come down the pipe, they will want to preach to devs next week (and kick start their new FY... xD).
  16. Micro Center reveals potential $749 MSRP for Intel's upcoming Core i9-14900KS Special Edition CPU From Tom's Hardware
  17. Windows could definitely benefit from a "big picture mode" like Steam has so that it can be controlled with a controller for gaming purposes more easily. You can actually already sort of do this; if you press the xbox button on an xbox controller paired to a PC it will bring up the gamebar UI which can launch games, but it's not super intuitive in its current form. Since rumors of a PS5 pro seem pretty real at this point, I think it would be a good strategy for Microsoft to try to staple their console release next round so Sony can have their PS5 Pro and Microsoft can just have an even better console that won't keep up with PS6, but will get to market way sooner. I also think they should frame the next Xbox more as as PC/console hybrid like the Steam Deck but without being a handheld. They should keep their foot in the door as far as having something console like, but they should abandon the idea of making hardware that just plays games when it's already basically just PC hardware. A new Xbox running windows with a big picture mode like UI option that aimed to be fairly high end would be a good strategy IMO. Microsoft should target a higher end/more expensive segment of the market anyway IMO. They did well with the Xbox One X by being able to market it as the most powerful console at the time by far. I think they should just ditch the idea of a cheap console all together and aim for something in the $800+ range that would just blow whatever Sony has out of the water. I think the PC market is quite a bit bigger than the console market today, which means most gamers are already spending a lot more on hardware than a console costs. There is money being left on the table with no high end console options for people who prefer gaming on PC simply because of the extra power. Then gamers would choose between a Playstation and an Xbox in the same way they would choose between an Xbox Series S and X. You can pay less for a good enough console and get a playstation, or pay more and get the xbox that has more bells and whistles. Just having xbox and playstation be basically neck and neck in terms of hardware is kinda pointless IMO. They need to differentiate more. Let Sony be the every mans console, and xbox be the high end option that adds value by doubling as a fully functional PC. Then, if Microsoft did flesh out a big picture mode and get windows to work well as a gaming first platform for people who want that, they could explore the option of releasing more versions of gaming first devices. They could do a Surface gaming handheld, or just have 2-3 different tiers of target hardware platforms to act as console stand-ins. Microsoft really ought to leverage the power of windows and PCs better as a gaming platform, and just use that to compete with Sony rather than releasing an extremely similar console each time. Side note, I'm sure this is an unpopular opinion but I think they could charge more for game pass. I mean, I would prefer to pay a little more and get better games or just ensure they continue to release all their first party games on game pass once they have a bigger line-up with COD and all that. Game pass is pretty cheap, it's like half the price of netflix. I think game pass is only $11 a month right now. I'd prefer to pay $15 and ensure game pass has some good titles than pay less and have it suck.
  18. Update: Valve will no longer allow Steam to even be installed on older CPU's now, its not just a Windows 7 thing. They are now actively blocking Steam installations on Linux on older machines too. This actually is now directly effecting me, and youtube content I was preparing to make (playing games on old rigs). Literally cannot play games, I've paid for, on hardware that's officially supported by the game now.
  19. I run too much 'old stuff' for Intel's GPU to be appropriate. Intel has precisely 0 motivation to support and improve DX9 and DX10/10.1 performance; and I'm okay with that. Just, it makes the entire uArch-series a non-starter, for me. It is a major bummer that AMD 'nuked' the OCing tools. However, I can see the 'technical excuse(s)', and can empathize (to a degree). Basically, AMD cannot allow another Radeon VII debacle. I wholeheartedly believe end-users should be allowed to do whatever they wish with their owned hardware. However, it's a matter of modern utility and practicality to *not* allow proliferation of such tools. IMHO: The move towards le Reddit-tier 'tech-knowledge sharing/advice' has precipitated this. If AMD lets their users use things like MPT, people will unwittingly spread (drastically) lifespan-shortening 'advice'; harming AMD's product/brand image and giving nVidia and Intel 'an opening' for marketing/attacks. FFS, we live in a world where criminal social media trends are blamed on the manufacturer of the target(s), not the actual criminals. tl;dr: AMD is being practical, in an insane world. Edit: Looks like AMD's open-source drivers on Linux, got a patch to enable legacy Overdrive API support on Navi3x? AMD Wires Up OverDrive Overclocking For Newer RDNA3 GPUs On Linux WWW.PHORONIX.COM For those interested in GPU overclocking, AMD has posted the patches for implementing the 'legacy' OverDrive overclocking infrastructure for newer SMU13-based Radeon RX 7000 series graphics cards with the... [PATCH 0/4] Enable legacy OD support for SMU13 LISTS.FREEDESKTOP.ORG
  20. I have a question for the forum regarding multi-monitor setups in Windows 11 with HDR. I have my home office setup with two monitors via DisplayPort and then my OLED TV in the adjacent Rec Room via HDMI. This is off my AMD RX 6700 XT. They show up in Windows 11 as: Monitor 1: 1080p - 10-bit Colour - Primary - Display Port 1.4 or HDMI 2.0 input option - (Supports HDR) Monitor 2: 1080p - 8-bit Colour - Secondary - Display Port 1.4 or HDMI 2.0 input option - (No HDR) Monitor 3: 4k - 10-bit Colour - Rec Room TV - HDMI 2.1 - (Supports HDR) Right now I typically just have Monitor 1 & 3 Cloned and Monitor 2 as Extended. But Windows 11 doesn't allow you to activate HDR on Cloned monitors since they might have different Max Brightness and HDCP issues. I have tried just having all 3 monitors Extended which allows me to enable HDR on Monitor 1 and 3, but then I have to move stuff like browsers and games between Monitor 1 and 3 if I want to just enjoy the Rec Room TV. Also full screen games just default to Monitor 1 unless I change primary each time first. Now the actual question is, are their any good tools that would work great for letting me have just saved Display Configs that I can quickly switch between using a taskbar icon or a bat file. For example: Profile 1 - Office Work and 1080p HDR Gaming in Office: Monitor 1: Primary with HDR On - 1080p Monitor 2: Secondary (No HDR) - 1080p Monitor 3: Disabled Profile 2 - 4k HDR Gaming/Media in Rec Room: Monitor 1: Disabled Monitor 2: Secondary (No HDR) - 1080p Monitor 3: Primary with HDR On - 4k Profile 3 - 1080p (non HDR) Gaming/Media in Rec Room: Monitor 1: Primary with HDR Off - 1080p Monitor 2: Secondary (No HDR) - 1080p Monitor 3: Cloned Primary with HDR Off - 1080p Resolutions should stay constant between them, but if the tools allow for setting the resolution, colour depth and Windows HDR status, that would be amazing too. Right now, my main solution is to look at just a physical HDMI splitter and send the same HDR signal to both Monitor 1 and Monitor 3 all the time, but some of those don't play nicely with HDCP content or higher resolutions and audio for gaming. Or getting a cheap AVR that supports two 4k HDR outputs (TV + Projector) and I can just switch between them. I'm hesitant to just throw hardware at a problem that could be solved in software though with less points of failure.
  21. I agree with Axipher that it's harder to pin down for PC. I don't think you can just go by when an OS stopped being supported in reference to a game because the hardware may still be supported on the most recent OS, and the OS can just be updated to more recent versions for free. That's why I think it makes more sense to just have a timeframe in mind for PC games. I think 10 years is fine, even though that would awkwardly make GTAV a retro game. Technically though, it is a PS3 game. It would also make Star Citizen PTU a retro game. 15 years is also reasonable though. If you're just talking about PC hardware though, I would say anything that can't run on a currently supported OS is retro, and since windows 10 is still supported that means you would have to go back pretty far for retro PC hardware. On the other hard, I would also gladly say something like a Q6600 is retro now, and that can run windows 10, so there is a bit of a grey area.
  22. This might be the first real feature of Windows 11 over 10! I generally don't use upscaling or frame generation if I don't need it, but it may be a way to keep older games relevent on new hardware. I'm curious how AI is actually learning this stuff. If it doesn't know right from wrong, good from bad, how does it know what improvements are desired and what isn't? It must be an interesting algorithim if they plan to impliment it on thousands of games at once. There's some talk about different processing units in the article, but it's something I didn't understand. Can anyone explain it better? The only thing I know is, Nvidia GPUs are good with AI, AMD and Intel, not so much. I've always wondered what is physically different with AI compute as opposed to rasterization. The fundamental concept still leads to a 1 or 0, so why is it hardware that's different and not software? Maybe we'll start to see software/firmware bridge the gap that hardware was doing.
  23. You don't think Nvidia being in their third gen of NPU capable GPUs while AMD has no NPUs in any of their GPUs is something that caught AMD off guard? I'd say it definitely did. I don't think even Nvidia knew how effectively they would be able to leverage the NPUs for gaming at first. I think DLSS 1.0 was Nvidia's attempt to justify the existence of NPUs on their GPUs to customers after the fact, and over time I think DLSS turned out way better than Nvidia expected. Now with DLSS 3 and 3.5, I'm sure AMD feels pretty far behind. I think Sony and Microsoft also feel like they messed up with current gen consoles. If they had put NPUs in the current gen consoles with no other real changes, it would have been a game changer. Hardware wise, they just barely missed the boat on that. Had the consoles launched a year later, they might have had some NPUs. I think everyone selling hardware for graphic that hasn't embedded NPUs yet feels like they're missing out.
  24. Curious if Microsoft will remain a first party in the long term. They've never had the best traction in the hardware industry across all their divisions (PCs, mobile, consoles etc.). However, they never seem to give up either and I would be more surprised if they drop out than if they continue. I'd personally prefer if they developed an OS akin to the Steam OS on the Steam Deck (avoiding linux / proton translation) where its goal would be: Any Windows OS PC could run like a console. E.g., all I need to do is hold down the Xbox button on the controller and it boots into a console like UI to make that experience more accessible like a console. Steam tried it doing the whole package years ago (steam box) but it never took off. Steam OS on the deck however seems to be a really smart approach. If MS offered that within windows, and it's similar to Steam OS, but on any Windows device, it could be a smart play. As long as I can still access my Steam, GoG, EGS, Origin library there. Now if I have to buy my games exclusively through windows store, it'll never work (IMO). I know consoles have dedicated hardware to help optimize games but with consoles now already so close to PC's I don't see this being farfetched. In the short term, all they really need to do is get game pass or any game they publish like the CoDs, Starfields etc., on as many consoles as possible. Sony and Nintendo dominate there so I can see the argument "if you can't beat em', join em' ". The only hardware I would like them to continue to make are controllers.
  25. This is an interesting concept... Having an upscaler that can run on any NPU is interesting because as far as I know an NPU doesn't have to be part of a GPU or CPU, it can just be a PCIe m.2 card... which technically means one could be added to a PS5 or Xbox Series console via the storage expansion slot. It also means other weird mis-matches would be possible. I guess in theory someone with an older PC that doesn't support an upscaling options could throw an NPU into a PCIe slot and use Microsoft's upscaling. It also means any modern CPU with an NPU will be able to get a lot more mileage out of the integrated graphics. I asked CoPilot to make a list of NPU capable hardware: Ironically enough, CoPilot forgot to mention Nvidia GPUs which have NPUs via the tensor cores. AMD 7000 series GPUs do not have an NPU, which means they might not be able to run Microsoft's upscaler. When I looked this up, apparently AMD GPUs should be supported via a fall back method, but it might not have the same quality level as an NPU based method. It will definitely be interesting to see how this all plays out and what kind of weird hardware configs it will allow for. As far as I know, there are no NPU only devices available on the consumer market yet, but I think they are coming. I recently saw a video about an NPU device that looked like an NVME drive and went in the m.2 slot.
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