Sir Beregond

Extremely similar to Turing Super refresh then. 2060 and 2060 Super stayed around in tandem while 2060 Super was single digital percentage slower than the original 2070. Meanwhile the 2070 Super was single digit percentages slower than the 2080 and the original 2070 was EOL'd. And then the 2080  also got EOL'd for the 2080 Super which was marginally faster as the fully unlocked TU104 chip.

Almost like this should have been your original lineup Nvidia 

Will be interesting to see where AIB card prices end up landing on average for this.

I still don't like the fact that they are taking away my nanometers. I mean Pentium 4 started out with 180nm and then towards the end was all the way down to 65nm. That is quite the rip off!

I hear they are barely giving you 10nm these days!

15 hours ago, UltraMega said:

 

There are currently no shirts since E wasn't happy with the print quality so it's irrelavent for now. That said, if you think having 3 or so different options for shirts is a bad marketing strategy then OK. I think that is obviously not the case, no one is going to be turned away from the site if there are a couple t-shirt options, and it's crazy to me that anyone would have a strong opinion against that. Feels like you just want to debate for the sake of debating. 

 

I think we all liked that dark wireframe design, for example. It just didn't work out for other reasons like the background not being clear and too low res, but it was a good design. 3 or so designs like that would be great. 

 

If you think 3 or so designs like that would be a bad marketing strategy, frankly, I don't think that is logical reasoning. 

 

I get what both of you are saying, I think you are too hyper-focused on t-shirts that you are missing what Jan is saying.

T-shirts are one thing. All @iamjanco was saying is that t-shirts as part of the whole branding and marketing strategy should have a cohesive design strategy starting out. Part of what makes a brand identifiable is that you can see a logo + a color theme and immediately know what it is. Cohesive with the rest of the branding being done and the other marketing tactics that will also be using EHW designs in its efforts makes sense here. And then its usually the more creative design ideas that maybe break a bit from core branding/design cues then become the one off t-shirts as your brand establishes.

Anyway I don't disagree that you can obviously have more than 1 t-shirt design. Just keep them fairly consistent in theming starting out.

On 11/01/2024 at 12:10, Avacado said:

If pushing out our newer content on the current channel can be done than that would be a bonus. In order to inflict dopamine hits for Gen Z, we will have to adapt video content for sure. I need to bug Simmons about the podcast, we need that back

Podcast sounds interesting. I can be the resident "back in my day, a candy bar graphics cards cost a nickel!" guy. I'm kidding, I would love to participate though.

Another things video could be used for is tech news like our news section if we could make it interesting.

3 hours ago, Alex said:

I feel like you might've not dealt with the 'enterprise-grade' support MS provides. It's... great lol.

AWS/GCP provides a million times better support, but AWS costs an arm and a leg and doesnt have an M365 competitor.

 

M365 licensing is awful for pretty much everyone in the chain, and the CSP program sucks to support and their ever-changing Ts&Cs make life needlessly complex. I just want a competitor so that it isnt like 99.9% of people using MS's product stack so that they'd be forced to not take as many horrible risks with their software releases and support models because they know that people can't really go anywhere else.

Fair, that's not my area of work so I have no insight into that.

We use AWS in my department. Other departments in our org are Azure or GCP, but we are probably at the bleeding edge compared to where those orgs are at and AWS has worked great for us. You are right in it costing an arm and a leg though.

See that's another part I don't really see is licensing. When I wanted a premium Power Automate license so I could use the ServiceNow integration, we just pinged a group to handle that. 

Anyway, I don't at all disagree with the notion we should have comparable competitors. We just umm...don't. When we do, I'm all for checking that out.

13 hours ago, Alex said:

I'd be up for a proper competition from google for a business ecosphere, MS frankly sucks at it and we all know it.

No business in their right mind would ever start moving to Google Cloud in this day and age when AWS and Azure are established and Google throws around "if we don't get the same number of customers, we are just going to shut down cloud services". Yeah I'm sure that's inspire a lot of confidence and bring in tons of business customers. Now I'd say the likelihood of that happening is clearly very low, but it doesn't matter. In my opinion, Google can't be taken seriously while they are throwing around that kind of talk.

Plus Google has an established history at this point of not a lot of "stick with it-ness" to a lot of their product offerings. That's not good for business.

As for other business apps, I gotta say if there was a time where Slack was vastly better than Teams, at this stage that's not even close to true anymore and since our enterprise uses both I can say Slack is almost ripping off design cues from Teams these days.

What else...office software?

Office365? We've been using the hell out of Power Automate this year, it's been fantastic for us automating (albeit, can be a bit janky to setup), but integrates extremely well with Teams, Outlook, SharePoint, etc. 

Honestly I don't have any complaints aside from the time services go down.

5 minutes ago, UltraMega said:

 

Certainly true that as smartphones get more powerful, the need to spend a lot on one just to get a decent experience becomes less and less. I don't see myself upgrading my ~$200 LG Velvet 5G until it breaks. 

 

 

Kinda replying to your other post in the necro thread about Apple M1 here; Apple has made a lot of meaningful advancements with their chips, and they are even running a few real games now with Resident Evil games coming out on Macs and iPhones. But as I understand it, and I could be wrong here, most of Apple's advantages with their chips come from being first in line for the best nodes TSMC can make and not necessarily from them purely being more innovative. Their deep pockets have definitely had some advantages. But it does seem like they've lacked focus in the last few years. Their VR headset is unlikely to have meaningful sales given that it will be over 3 grand and require an eye appointment. At that price, it seems like it competes with something like HoloLens which also seems to be a pretty niche device. 

 

I just posted some news about this new Rabbit OS thing that is aiming to be an AI driven digital assistant to outperform something like Siri, and I can't help but think that turning Siri into a much better AI driven assistant should have been something Apple was highly focused on. It would have felt like a good natural progression of their tech. The VR headset, as impressive as it is, feels like a desperate attempt to make something innovative again. I think Steve Jobs understood that Apple innovates best when it innovates on products that can have mass appeal at an (arguably) reasonable price. Apple no longer makes much headway in that space and just continues to make more and more powerful versions of the same things. 

 

That said, it's Apple. They could come out next week and unveil an all electric smart car that puts Tesla to shame, or they could come out with a new Version of Siri that makes this Rabbit OS stuff look like an indie project. However, I grow more and more skeptical that Apple can keep up on innovation as it seems like they have gotten way too complacent to simply keep making faster and faster iPhones while using their deep pockets to get access to the best nodes before anyone else does. It seems like a bad long-term strategy to burn cash just to be first in line all the time. Eventually, just being first in line with little else to show won't be enough. 

 

 

Microsoft is looking 10-20 years into the future and putting themselves in a great position to be steering the ship when it comes to AI innovation. Apple is trying to recapture the lighting in a bottle they once had while using brute force to stay relevant. 

 

 

Side note: in your other post comparing Macs to Windows laptops at your work; I'd wonder what the cost comparison is. If you compare like for like specs Apple vs Windows, the Apple PC is probably going to cost double. If you compare similar prices, things will trend much differently. There are also sooo many windows laptops, surely some designs are worse than others. I wonder how people at your company would feel if they were comparing something like a Surface Book to their Macs. 

 

 

Most of the rest of the company is on Windows machines. Our department was a couple of startups that got bought like 6+ years ago and we still use Macbooks which I'd guess came from the startup days. I honestly don't know cost difference though as my understanding is that the enterprise leases machines vs buying them. This is like my 3rd refresh since I started 4 years ago.

Yes I agree now that we've seen 3 gens of Apple silicon that it seems most improvements are coming from TSMC process node improvements. I think Apple silicon is certainly good for their MacBook products, but otherwise don't seem to be improving much on their own since initial release.

As for the rest of your points, I agree wholeheartedly. Microsoft has really done a good job of branching their business in to long-term strategic revenue streams.

10 minutes ago, ENTERPRISE said:

Not surprising, I mean considering the different revenue streams Microsoft have going and the fact that the Apple fandom IMHO is and has been slowly dying off for a little while now. So many people I used to know who used to be die hard apple fans have woken up to the fact you do not need to pay Apple prices to get a good experience and are now subsequently all on Android on varying device types. 

 

 

Yeah, well in many respects Apple really is just a fandom/fashion accessory. The whole ridiculousness around blue/green bubbles comes to mind, and there's your average Apple user. They've certainly managed to build a huge business on this, but eventually you reach a point where what else is there to do. Has the iPhone drastically changed much or provided anything meaningfully innovative in recent years? No. Apple Silicon sure helped Macbook, but aside from your existing demographics of Macbook users, is there anything else to draw people in?

Microsoft on the other hand has sufficiently diversified their business into multiple revenue streams. I obviously don't agree with everything Microsoft is doing on Windows side of the house, but it cannot be denied that they are certainly making good business choices with AI, cloud, and other things.

I'm not sure why this old thread popped up on the side, but I can tell you this.

At work my old 2019 Intel MacBook which I would describe as a complete piece of garbage with PC laptop levels of bad battery life was replaced with an M1 Pro based MacBook Pro in December and I love this laptop. I literally used it for an 8 hour day and the battery had only gone down to 60%. My old Intel one, even when new, barely lasted a couple hours before having to find a plug. I move around the house a lot for where I work (I work from home) and sometimes I work outside the house, so it's nice not having to be tied down to a cord.

In terms of calling it "wasted"...I'd say that's not really true. I work for a fortune 10 enterprise and our department uses nothing but Macbooks to code/develop, etc. They are perfectly functional machines that everyone here would say work much better than their previous Intel i9 based Macbooks which would just immediately throttle and performed worse than i7 based models. Of course that was just Apple's stupid design with no real thermal solution for a hot chip like an i9. The M1's are definitely better that way.

If you say well they aren't gaming laptops, well...yeah. It's Apple.

Anyway, my team are not particularly power users by any stretch like the development teams are, i.e. I'm not really running apps as most of what I work on is in Outlook, Teams, web Office 365, or web based CI/CD tools. Given that though, it is nice running all day on battery and not having to even look at the icon to see if I am running out of juice.

EDIT: And given that, my job would obviously be perfectly fine on a Windows machine too. I don't really care which. The iOS app devs probably like the Macs though would be my guess.

2 hours ago, The Pook said:

looks kinda weird 

 

 

if you remove it, maybe move "Started by xxxxx" to the next line? Would give more room for the title and it'd look cleaner. 

 

If you're trying to reduce the height of the rows for more threads then then it wouldn't really solve anything tho. 

2 hours ago, Avacado said:

2nd what Pookie said. The date/time of the thread creation should be kept as it's relevant and should help prevent necro posts.  I don't care if the creation time is removed, but please keep the date. 

3rded

9 hours ago, Andrew said:

Maple bacon, eg and toast with Kerry Gold on it.

@The Pook is right. Somehow everything is upside down in this picture.

1 hour ago, speed_demon said:

Got this meat lover's monstrosity from an american chain store called papa murphy's - on tuesday these giant pizzas are just $12. I usually get one of these and eat until I'm full for dinner that night, then separate the remaining into two ziploc bags and that's my lunch and dinner for the following day. Two days worth of meals for $12 is hard to beat.

 

 

Sliced it up and added some parmesan on top.

 

Man I haven't had Papa Murphy's in probably a decade. How was it?

44 minutes ago, pioneerisloud said:

Now now now, the GTX 580 wasn't THAT bad.  The GTX 480 was what people were using to cook food on..... 

You're right. I didn't even notice they used 580 on this meme. Oops.

3 hours ago, pioneerisloud said:

Friendly reminder that the 8800GTX, 18 years ago, was a 155w TDP GPU and was considered an absolute monster.  It's only been very recently that these kind of power figures have become okay for GPU's (and CPU's now too with the latest parts).  Now.....you need a dedicated 240v line for your system if you want multiple 4090's.

Our parts creators are doing it wrong I feel like.  We're constantly pushing for more and more power draw, and the hell with efficiency anymore.  Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love having the latest and greatest shiny parts.  But I feel like somewhere along the way, we've lost the goal of making things regular people can use. 

What's funny is that it was actually ATI that started the war of the big dies that led to G80 and the 8800 GTX. Within context of the general die sizes of the era, they completely upset Nvidia with the R300 (which was the legendary 9700 Pro and later derivatives) as their way to completely dethrone Nvidia who was winning the performance crown at the time and Nvidia just kept increasing die sizes after to win until ATI and later AMD couldn't keep up with big die strategy. 2900 XT was a complete flop for them.

And of course Nvidia just kept pushing it, though AMD still pushed it hard with 4870 and 5870 against the big Nvidia dies and did very well except for where it mattered...sales and profit.

And who can forget:

11 minutes ago, UltraMega said:

 

No idea on the specifics of their dies, I just know there is a huge gap between the 7800XT and 7900XT. 

Took a look at TPU. 7900 XTX is full Navi 31, 7900 XT is cut-down Navi 31. 7800 XT is full Navi 32, the next die down. There is a 7900 GRE that is a further cut-down of Navi 31 from what the 7900 XT is. That seems to suggest that there could be room for a 7800 XTX or whatever based on Navi 31, but I guess that would also depend on yields. If their yields are too good they might not want to release another cut-down Navi 31 product if the 7900 XT and 7900 XTX are sufficiently selling supply of said dies and their yields are too good to justify a further cut-down SKU. With the 7800 XT being full Navi 32, there is no room with that die for a higher SKU.

That said I definitely agree there is plenty of gap between the two products to support something in between. I just don't think they'll do it.

Credit where credit is due though. At least they didn't sandbag on cards with full dies like Nvidia tends to do.

4 hours ago, UltraMega said:

As it is right now, the 7900XT is typically faster than everything Nvidia has aside from the 4080 and 4090 in normal games and RT games but falls short on PT. I am guessing the 4070Ti Super will slot between the 7900XT and 7900XTX. 

 

No doubt AMD will respond with price cuts, and I think we might get to see some much needed competition on prices. If the 4070Ti Super sells anywhere near MSRP, AMD prices will need to come down a lot. Right now the 7900XTX is going for just under $1000, that's going to have to come down to ~$750 to compete with the 4070Ti Super. 

 

I think AMD could also add some cards to their stack. I doubt they will release anything higher end than a 7900XTX, but they just announced the 7600XTX, they could do a 7700XTX and more importantly a 7800XTX. There is a wide gap in terms of both price and performance between the 7800XT and 7900XT. A 7800XTX would fill a huge gap from AMD and put that much more pressure on Nvidia. 

 

I don't think AMD has much headroom to go above a 7900XTX due to power consumption, but if they could squeeze in a 7950XT/XTX and sell that for $900 and drop the 7900XTX to $800 or less, that would be pretty sweet. 

 

 

Do they even have room for a card between the 7800 XT and the 7900 XT? If I understand correctly, the 7800 XT is already the full Navi 32 GCD. I suppose they could further cut down Navi 31.

That's more aggressive price cutting than I was thinking they'd do, but that would probably be pretty good for them and they'd retain the good sales they currently have. I imagine they have plenty of margin to work with considering the MCM design and the relatively smaller die sizes as a result. At those prices they would still be a compelling offer in light of the Supers for the more VRAM and strong raster.

3 hours ago, neurotix said:

@Sir Beregond if you saw this previously, I edited it because I realized the GMMK full size I linked was no longer available on Amazon.

 

As for switches, if you're interested in linear quiet switches at all, I have a big ass bag of Gateron yellows I would be willing to send you in the mail for free. Probably at least 150+. I also have Gateron Browns (tactile)that were pulled from my original GMMK v2 full size board, but not quite 104. I think my GMMK has a couple in it, for example on the caps lock key, so if I hit it by accident trying to press tab I instantly know. I could pull those and replace them with some yellows, to send you some Gateron Browns (these are very popular and solid tactile switches that I've heard are better than Cherry Browns and some of the best tactile switches you can get...)

 

The yellows are linear but feel kind of tactile to me. When I first did my Mini Cat for my fiancee I thought they were tactile until I looked them up this year. They are extremely smooth and quiet, throw some red o-rings on your keycaps and they'll be even quieter.

 

Hope this helps.

 

EDIT: try this board maybe? I can vouch for Keychron quality. Should be padded with noise dampening foam inside and lubed stabilizers.

 

 

Keychron K10 Wireless Mechanical Keyboard

WWW.KEYCHRON.COM

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Keychron K10 Wireless mechanical keyboard has included keycaps for both Windows and macOS, and...

 

Thanks for the suggestion, will take a look.

I appreciate the offer. Will let you know what I end up going with, but will probably go for new.

Good luck in your search and do let me know what you find. I bought a BNIB EVGA Z490 Dark (with a 10900k) last year and sadly spent more than that for it. I haven't had a chance to really play with it yet, but I wanted it around as a usable platform for future HWBot competitions.

37 minutes ago, pioneerisloud said:

I've been REALLY loving my 7900XTX.  A 7600XT with 16GB VRAM sounds like a very attractive 1080p / 1440p option.  Wow.

I hate to say it and bring the green team into the conversation, but Nvidia really doesn't have much of a solution in these budget ranges.  They have the RTX 4060, and the much more expensive 4060Ti, but both are only 8GB cards.  Today's games, even at 1080p definitely are starting to use more and more VRAM.  DLSS, yeah sure.  AMD has FSR and AFMF though too, which also do work and work well too now.

The GPU competition is starting to get good.   Wish it would bring the prices down some though, I still say the entire stack of cards is overpriced from both parties. -_-  

Yeah the 7600 XT looks like a great card for the price.

And agreed on Nvidia. The 4060 Ti and 4060 also stagnated entirely on any performance uplift over their similarly named 30-series predecessors.

Hey all - I was looking at the barebones Glorious boards that Flux mentioned looking at at Micro Center. Unfortunately not really finding any of those to my liking. I prefer full size keyboards and have no interest in tenkeyless, or 96% boards where there are still compromises on some key sizes like a short shift key, etc.

Does anyone have a good recommendation for a solid full size board? I want to try to build something that has a tactile switch but is not clicky, so am looking for something that would also not be too loud.

The 4080 being $1200 was always outrageous. I still hate the $999 price, but given the new 4080 Super should reliably beat a 7900XTX with the increase in cores (albeit marginal), Nvidia doesn't have an incentive to lower it anymore than $999 because of AMD's pricing of the 7900 XTX.

So color me annoyed. Feel like both companies are in cahoots to just raise prices. Now instead of the 4080 being $500 overpriced, the 4080 Super is now just $300 overpriced. We know this because of the existence of the 4070 Ti Super also using the AD103 at a slight cutdown from the 4080, but with the same bus/memory capacity and its $799. Yeah...the 4080/4080 Super should be that tier.

EDIT: I do wonder if AMD will drop the 7900 XTX to $899 now and make the 7900 XT at $749 or maybe even $699 official.

Just add water.

9 hours ago, UltraMega said:

 

KInda a side note that your comment made me think about, what do you guys usually do with your old GPU when you upgrade? For a long time now I have been in the habit of selling my old GPU right after I get a new one, so the price to upgrade is only ever as high as the difference between what I can sell my old one for and what the new one costs. 

 

Because of Covid/mining, when I sold my 1080Ti and upgraded to an RX6800, I actually made a little bit of money (like $10). After that I sold my RX6800 for $400 and bought the 7900XT for $800. 

 

Do you guys do this sort of thing? 

I always hang on to cards as "emergency" cards. Problem with that approach is the increasing cost of new cards and the decreasing value of held onto cards as they increasingly become obsolete and less valuable as an "emergency card".

I guess now that HWBot is a thing though, there will always be something for me to do with old hardware.

On 03/01/2024 at 03:22, Andrew said:

Heinz Mayo Now Comes In A Black Garlic Flavour For Halloween

WWW.DELISH.COM

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Mayo fans, gather up!

 

I don't recommend it. It's double the price of regular mayonnaise and is barely any different. Make your own black garlic mayonnaise if you want some. This one has a hint of garlic flavour but other than that, it's normal mayonnaise with a ton of food dye in.

I love mayo, but would definitely not buy this lol. Speaking of mayo and seeing the packaging, I also am just not a fan of the squeeze bottle versions. We always buy a jar because at least you can use a small spatula to get the last of it out. Always feel like a bunch gets wasted with the squeeze bottles at the end.

1 hour ago, Slaughtahouse said:

Maybe I am misunderstanding the entire discussion here but my understanding is that Steam will still run on Windows 7. It just won’t receive security updates and support.

 

If you’re a retro enthusiast, I don’t think it matters if you have the latest and greatest version of Steam. Games and Steam will still operate.

 

I think it’s very reasonable to drop support given Microsoft already dropped support a year ago.

Are old versions of Steam readily available for download still? I imagine you can just not update on existing machines, but I wonder for a new retro rig.

9 hours ago, Fluxmaven said:

Considering their lack of feature parity I don't see how AMD gets off pricing their second rate cards as high as they do. The 7900XTX is an alright card if you just look at raw raster. Being a gen behind on RT and upscaling tech while just slotting into the price bracket between a 4070ti and 4080 just seems outright lazy. 

I just wish they would undercut Nvidia or actually step up and make a 4090 level card. 

 

 

Yep exactly my thought.

I fully acknowledge that some don't care about said features and just want the raster, but I still feel like they are/were overpriced for that too. As much as I hate what Nvidia is doing, AMD hasn't exactly won me over either.