5000 Series Tweakers Out There?

[VoidTheWarranty]

On 25/04/2023 at 14:50, neurotix said:

That's weird because with my 5900x just setting max boost clock override to +200 and PBO_Fmax Enhancer (Asus exclusive) would get me to 5150MHz in games.

What does pbo_Fmax enhancer do?

[neurotix]

It's an Asus exclusive feature by The_Stilt. It just basically boosts you higher, the highest I saw without it would be 4950MHz (on my 5900x/C8H) and with it on, I'd hit 5150MHz.

[VoidTheWarranty]

I hope at this point nobody is following this thread in hopes of learning something specific. I think we've gone off the rails a couple pages back. 

My weekend is cut in half this weekend (inventory at work) unfortunately so if you're here for the amusement I might only have a few settings to mess around with.  

I think I might try running Ryzen Master at some point and see what it tells me for individual core offsets. The thing is I read a lot of people saying things like "Master tells me that I can run -30 however it's unstable". I haven't used Ryzen master before, does anyone use it or the auto OC feature? Not sure if I should just dial whatever it tells me per core offset back 20% per core for less demanding software stability. 

But I want to try +100 and +200 Mhz with 10-60-115 and 110-65-115. I feel like I might have to increase my TDC/EDC a bit I'm not sure. At least I'll know where my temps land if I can even get +200 stable unless all it's going to be is clock stretching which I don't quite understand.  


**COD 2022 was free last week for trying. I was using it to test stability. Does anyone have a spare code for the game? I have some game codes I'd be willing to trade for it. Shoot me a message if you're interested.  

[Sir Beregond]

3 hours ago, neurotix said:

It's an Asus exclusive feature by The_Stilt. It just basically boosts you higher, the highest I saw without it would be 4950MHz (on my 5900x/C8H) and with it on, I'd hit 5150MHz.

Sounds like it just does CO for you as optimizing the curve per core will also easily net you to 5150MHz. Just speculating though, I haven't looked at this feature. I usually opt for the AMD Overclocking tab, not the AI Tweaker.

[kaliz]

if you want hassle free experience dont use Curve Optimizer, so no undervolting the 5600X. and just run PBO +200. This will just work 99% of the time. If it donest use another load line calibration level. All voltages on auto. The best for Ryzen is decent RAM timings at 3800 but unfortunately i see 4x8GB which will be pretty hard with your motherboard. try 3733 or 3600 with normal timings. I dont have a 5600 anymore but now running a 5700G so i cannot give you an example right now

 

Also if you want help on DDR4 timings,  upload a Zentimings screenshot, HWInfo64 next to it and TM5 usmus running. something like this:

 

 

[Sir Beregond]

2 minutes ago, kaliz said:

if you want hassle free experience dont use Curve Optimizer, so no undervolting the 5600X. and just run PBO +200. This will just work 99% of the time. If it donest use another load line calibration level. All voltages on auto. The best for Ryzen is decent RAM timings at 3800 but unfortunately i see 4x8GB which will be pretty hard with your motherboard. try 3733 or 3600 with normal timings. I dont have a 5600 anymore but now running a 5700G so i cannot give you an example right now

 

Also if you want help on DDR4 timings,  upload a Zentimings screenshot, HWInfo64 next to it and TM5 usmus running. something like this:

 

 

Yep, definitely the easiest way to go.

[neurotix]

Agreed with both. Leave voltage on auto and do +200 PBO and turn PBO on. This is how both my 5900x and 7900x3d are set up.

[Sir Beregond]

Tried that fmax enhancer for ASUS boards and likewise was getting single-threaded boosts to 5.15GHz on my best cores (in my case, cores 2 and 3). However on multi-threaded workloads the second CCD was clocking lower than it does with PBO in AMD Overclocking (instead of Extreme Tweaker menu) which I found odd.

 

EDIT: Nevermind, guess I didn't run stuff long enough. That said, CB R23 multi and single was scoring lower than my PBO/CO optimizations, so take that however you want.

 

Keep in mind I am on a custom water loop. Was boosting to those clocks on 1.469v.

 

EDIT 2: And it crashed when I was idling. I always have bad experiences using PBO in the ASUS extreme tweaker vs the AMD Overclocking in the Advanced tab.

 

 

Edited April 30, 2023 by Sir Beregond

[neurotix]

It's the opposite for me, I always use Extreme Tweaker menu.

 

Also, not surprised you only saw 5150MHz on 2 cores, mine behaves the same but does not crash on idle. If I play a game, I'll see it boosting to 5150 pretty frequently.

[Sir Beregond]

Yeah no idea. My other settings don't crash on idle. I also had CO on auto so it shouldn't have been too aggressive there (which is what causes idle crashing).

 

I just went back to my other which still boosts to 5.15GHz, but without the idle crashing.

[VoidTheWarranty]

So first of all my offsets for these runs are not fine tuned so I could probably do better. 
The +100Mhz has a substantial impact on single core scores.
The following PPT-TDC-EDC will however provide you with substantial performance especially in regards to Multicore. I have pages and pages of different settings benchmarked however I seem to be narrowing down on these for stability in benching/gaming. I didn't have any games or benchmarks crash previously but some games didn't feel quite right..... Just not dialed in.
Radioactive Spider Venom: 
PPT: 120
TDC: 65
EDC: 90
Scalar: X1

Score I get without the +100Mhz  (Peter Parker)
Single Thread: 624   <-- Average 5600X thread performance but CPU vcore and temps reduced
Multi-Thread: 4914  <-- Multicore still excellent with 120-65-90
-20 allcores except 2 best cores -15
https://valid.x86.fr/k9j6k3

Score I get with +100Mhz (Venom)
Single Thread: 639     2nd test cause I didn't believe it: 639   <-- Do you even lift bro? 
Multi-Thread: 5045    2nd test: 5011 <-- Still above 5000.
-20 allcores except 2 best cores -15
https://valid.x86.fr/m959w2

Tombraider Benchmark Score Avg FPS: 170  Frames Rendered: 26645 GPU BOUND: 38%  <-Best FPS/Most Frames I've rendered before.
Cinbench R23 Score: 11689

Having a beast of a multicore score is great however boosting the single core has been the hardest part. Increasing the Mhz on the chip has definitely helped. I'm not too sure how at this point I can reduce my idleish - low load temps / voltage other than changing coolers obviously. CPU CORE voltage (SVI2 TFN) Maximum on HWINFO64 hit around 1.42-1.43 or something like that. It might spike to that at desktop here and there as well. 

I'm going to run Ryzen Master to see what it tells me for max offsets per core sometime and try those values out.

Idling in the low 50's isn't going to kill my chip nor will the voltage likely kill it during the time I plan on using it from what I understand from Der8auer. He ran his like full bore 24/7 for a year and required a 20mv increase on one of 2 I think . I'm not worried about dipping into the 1.4v range during Max voltage range in HWINFO64 for benchmarks but I'm not sure about it spiking that high here and there at the desktop and being around the 1.35X territory frequently. You guys tell me from your own experience. 
 
***→ Does anyone know how sketchy or dangerous it would be to run a CPU Offset Voltage of say -.1000V with core offsets and PBO on? I'm not sure if you should do a cpu voltage offset while PBO/core offsets are on. I worry about stability especially at the lower power end. I suspect it's keeping my voltage high to keep it stable.  

CPU-Z Multi-Thread

CPU-Z Single Thread

 

Does Cinebench not show you your previous runs anymore? I can't figure out how to get it to show that now.

Edited May 3, 2023 by VoidTheWarranty

[kaliz]

idling in low 50's then there is something wrong with your cooler either the mounting or too little thermal paste, i would look at that first because that is not normal for a 5600X? 

if you have HWinfo64 tab open and run Ycruncher pi-1b, what is your temp and voltage? if you dont have that yet its in Benchmate (benchmate.org) 

thats the only way i can give you proper advice on your system  

[Sir Beregond]

What agesa are you running? Wondering if you are topping out at 1.42, 1.43v on boosts due to that EDC bug (or some would say intentional limit) with newer agesa. I think you are stuck at 90A for EDC on a 5600X.

[VoidTheWarranty]

4 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

What agesa are you running? Wondering if you are topping out at 1.42, 1.43v on boosts due to that EDC bug (or some would say intentional limit) with newer agesa. I think you are stuck at 90A for EDC on a 5600X.

I have 1.2.0.8 for my MSI. But I mean I'm trying to avoid being in the 1.4XX I didn't think I should spend a lot of time there. I guess it shouldn't matter unless I was there 24/7 but I honestly don't know that the maximum the 5600X should be hitting in Hwinfo64 I've been trying to keep things in the 1.2X-1.3X for fan noise.
 

 

5 hours ago, kaliz said:

idling in low 50's then there is something wrong with your cooler either the mounting or too little thermal paste, i would look at that first because that is not normal for a 5600X? 

if you have HWinfo64 tab open and run Ycruncher pi-1b, what is your temp and voltage? if you dont have that yet its in Benchmate (benchmate.org) 

thats the only way i can give you proper advice on your system  

I mean I wasn't quite idling I was downloading Call of Duty MW 2019 so I was being a bit dramatic. But my max temps in Hwinfo 64 when not benching would hit 1.4X and it made me nervous. I think my lows were 38-45C somewhere in there. Factor in this is in a NZXT 510 case not exactly a 1337 cooling rig. 

You can see my temps and voltages from the CPU-Z run below. Keep in mind I had my window open and it was like 10C or 50 degrees outside. Also you can see the Cinebench score above which would likely be a better guide for temps and such.

Edited May 3, 2023 by VoidTheWarranty

[Sir Beregond]

34 minutes ago, VoidTheWarranty said:

I have 1.2.0.8 for my MSI. But I mean I'm trying to avoid being in the 1.4XX I didn't think I should spend a lot of time there. I guess it shouldn't matter unless I was there 24/7 but I honestly don't know that the maximum the 5600X should be hitting in Hwinfo64 I've been trying to keep things in the 1.2X-1.3X for fan noise.

I am just talking about boosts where it hits higher voltages for micro seconds/nano seconds/whatever. 

 

It probably doesn't matter, just something I thought of.

[VoidTheWarranty]

2 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

I am just talking about boosts where it hits higher voltages for micro seconds/nano seconds/whatever. 

 

It probably doesn't matter, just something I thought of.

You know part of the reason I went with a lower EDC was because I heard there was some sort of EDC bug and I couldn't find out if it was fixed or not so exactly so I figured run with 90 see what happens. I seem to get better performance with lower voltages than higher ones. 

[kaliz]

the EDC bug was with old agesa where if you set 1 EDC on 'locked' motherboards, youd have unlimited EDC. This is fixed years ago already as far as i know (i asked on OC.net) 

 

voltages of 1,4 - 1,45v in idle are very normal for Ryzen. this looks all good.

 

for some extra performance set your SOC voltage to 1,2v and RAM to 3733 or 3800 if possible.

 

and +200 instead of +100, with auto Vcore voltage. And disabled PBO.

 

maybe for powerlimits 90 75 125 and start running Ycruncher and adjust powerlimits in windows with so you can find the sweetspot (maximum)

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[Sir Beregond]

9 hours ago, VoidTheWarranty said:

You know part of the reason I went with a lower EDC was because I heard there was some sort of EDC bug and I couldn't find out if it was fixed or not so exactly so I figured run with 90 see what happens. I seem to get better performance with lower voltages than higher ones. 

Right, I am not suggesting you raise voltages manually if using PBO. I was suggesting having a higher limit could enable higher boosts. I am by no means suggesting statically running voltages that high, you absolutely couldn't with that cooler.

[VoidTheWarranty]

I'll be honest with you dudes running a TDC of 75 and EDC 125 previously I was performing worse in benchmarks. I know with a TDC of 75 anyway. I might try it again but I'll look at my notes. I really hit a wall with certain settings that's why I am using what I am now. I started going through too many post-it notes so moved to notebook. 

What I find odd is that in CPU-Z if I have my boost set to +100 I'm hitting my stock boost. However if I have it set to something less or off then it won't be listed in CPU-Z.  

[VoidTheWarranty]

5 hours ago, kaliz said:

the EDC bug was with old agesa where if you set 1 EDC on 'locked' motherboards, youd have unlimited EDC. This is fixed years ago already as far as i know (i asked on OC.net) 

 

voltages of 1,4 - 1,45v in idle are very normal for Ryzen. this looks all good.

 

for some extra performance set your SOC voltage to 1,2v and RAM to 3733 or 3800 if possible.

 

and +200 instead of +100, with auto Vcore voltage. And disabled PBO.

 

maybe for powerlimits 90 75 125 and start running Ycruncher and adjust powerlimits in windows with so you can find the sweetspot (maximum)

I feel like I have tried those settings before but I'll check them out. 

I went through a month of frustration with some ram so I don't know that I will spend much time on it. I have my 3600Mhz kits running stock right now. I might try my stock settings with 3733 but I'm not sure I want to push my luck. My memory usually only uses around 1.34v not even the 1.35v should I still increase the SOC voltage?

[kaliz]

wouldnt recommend running stock XMP timings. The subtimings are so loose

With a little bit of tuning its worth it 

 

Could you take a Zentimings screenshot?

and what die is it? Hynix? maybe take a Thaiphoon Burner read out so I can help suggest some timings which will work

 

for CPU just Enable PBO , set +200 MHz override, but dont use Curve optimizer leave that disabled. 

 

[Sir Beregond]

24 minutes ago, kaliz said:

wouldnt recommend running stock XMP timings. The subtimings are so loose

With a little bit of tuning its worth it 

 

Could you take a Zentimings screenshot?

and what die is it? Hynix? maybe take a Thaiphoon Burner read out so I can help suggest some timings which will work

 

for CPU just Enable PBO , set +200 MHz override, but dont use Curve optimizer leave that disabled. 

 

 

Agree with the RAM point. If I recall, earlier in the thread @VoidTheWarranty wasn't getting anything read in Taiphoon Burner.

 

Could leave CO on Auto too?

 

1 hour ago, VoidTheWarranty said:

I'll be honest with you dudes running a TDC of 75 and EDC 125 previously I was performing worse in benchmarks. I know with a TDC of 75 anyway. I might try it again but I'll look at my notes. I really hit a wall with certain settings that's why I am using what I am now. I started going through too many post-it notes so moved to notebook. 

What I find odd is that in CPU-Z if I have my boost set to +100 I'm hitting my stock boost. However if I have it set to something less or off then it won't be listed in CPU-Z.  

 

I think I let a train of thought get away from me. You're good. Definitely go with what performs better.

[VoidTheWarranty]

26 minutes ago, kaliz said:

wouldnt recommend running stock XMP timings. The subtimings are so loose

With a little bit of tuning its worth it 

 

Could you take a Zentimings screenshot?

and what die is it? Hynix? maybe take a Thaiphoon Burner read out so I can help suggest some timings which will work

 

for CPU just Enable PBO , set +200 MHz override, but dont use Curve optimizer leave that disabled. 

 

Thaiphoon Burner won't load for me. Worked for my last ram but I tried 2 versions and it won't work. I'm not sure what I have. I'll try looking for a different number or something but this is the set I'm working with (Without more detail). 
 https://www.corsair.com/ca/en/Categories/Products/Memory/VENGEANCE-LPX/p/CMK16GX4M2D3600C18 CMK16GX4M2D3600C18

[kaliz]

which version is on the sticks? ver. 5.30 is this 

[kaliz]

 

Hynix AJR on my QVL list