5000 Series Tweakers Out There?

[kaliz]

 this will work for you, and if it doesnt, raise tRFC to 600. 

 

leave tRDWR and tWRRD on auto

Edited May 3, 2023 by kaliz

[neurotix]

Those timings look good. Not the tightest primary timings but oh well. tRRDS, tRRDL, tFAW, and tCWL look a bit aggressive though. Until OP tries it I guess we won't know.

[kaliz]

its for Hynix AJR 4x8GB but you are right OP maybe needs to set RRD to 8 8 and FAW 32 maybe voltage to maximum of 1,45v for AJR

Edited May 3, 2023 by kaliz

[Sir Beregond]

Honestly primaries don't matter as much as tightening all those secondary and tertiary timings as far as Ryzen is concerned. That said, those primaries are pretty loose. I wonder if you could push CJR 16-19-19-19-39 type primaries.

Edited May 3, 2023 by Sir Beregond

[VoidTheWarranty]

17 hours ago, kaliz said:

 this will work for you, and if it doesnt, raise tRFC to 600. 

 

leave tRDWR and tWRRD on auto

I might meet you 1/10th of the way by trying your 18-22-22-22-54 in 3733 1.36v. Should I increase my SOC to 1.2 or should I just leave it on auto?  Should I leave XMP on or disable it and have everything at auto except my main timings?

Would tightening up my current timings even be worth it? How low do you think I could get my timings without much voltage increase with my current 3600Mhz speed? I don't want to increase voltage too high since heat is a factor in my case and I don't have a fan blowing on them.  Current: 18-22-22-22-42 to 18-20-20-20-40 or something?

Long story short I wasted a month this winter trying to get 2 dual rank modules to work I'm kinda put off with memory tweaking after dealing with that and the return, and having to reinstall everything. Pretty nervous especially if it borks my system since everything is running fine. Also I like to be able to quickly just set everything back to normal after a BIOS update and individual ram timings is not a fun time. 

[kaliz]

so have you tried to set the timings i showed you? preferably with the subtimings? Setting a manual value Soc 1,1v is good. or leave it on auto which will give about the same. You are on a overclockers forum and you dont want to adjust RAM timings, i cant understand? Maybe because for me its my hobby

[VoidTheWarranty]

2 hours ago, kaliz said:

so have you tried to set the timings i showed you? preferably with the subtimings? Setting a manual value Soc 1,1v is good. or leave it on auto which will give about the same. You are on a overclockers forum and you dont want to adjust RAM timings, i cant understand? Maybe because for me its my hobby

Ram overclocking is like dry humping on a date in your 30's...  All you're going to end up with is like a 2 FPS increase and case of blue balls getting her there. 

[VoidTheWarranty]

So this weekend I didn't have much time to do anything however I just got a massive single thread performance boost.

Currently I've been rocking -16 2 best cores -20 on rest. I tried -17 and -20 wasn't anything special improved multicore like 15 pts. So then I tried the reverse I went back to -16 on my best and reduced -20 to -19. Boom! Huge uptick in single thread. With -16 and -20 + 50Mhz boost. I was at 632 single thread and 5030 Mult-thread in CPU-Z. With -16 and -19 + 50Mhz Boost I'm at 646 & 4999. It reduced my mult-thread performance granted my temps weren't as good due to the weather being significantly warmer and I toned down my fan curve a bit but I'll take it.

Single thread performance has been the hardest to increase. 639 & 5045 has been my best up until this point but that was with 100Mhz boost. So with 50Mhz boost and my single thread is beating that I'm going to experiment with this. I'm still utilizing my Radioactive Spider Venom:  PPT: 120  TDC: 65  EDC: 90  Scalar: X1

Link: 

AMD Ryzen 5 5600X @ 4623.92 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

VALID.X86.FR

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[f560ul] Validated Dump by DESKTOP-GFAEV7D (2023-05-08 21:04:50) - MB: MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS (MS-7C56) - RAM: 32768 MB

 

[neurotix]

3900x RAM Scaling vs 9900K - Google Sheets

DOCS.GOOGLE.COM

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2080 Ti RAM Latency via Aida64 3900X Memory Speeds,Latency (ns) 3900X - 3800 [Manual],64.4 3900X - 3800 CL16,67.4 3900X - 3600...

 

Finally found it. Old data and games but oh well.

 

RAM tweaking is a HUGE part of owning Ryzen and tweaking it, and you can see in the Average All Data in the chart that going from 3600 to 3800MHz with manually tweaked timings can give up to a 9% performance boost. Even going to 3733MHz with highly optimized secondary and tertiary timings would as well, though it's not shown.

 

I keep a printoff of my ZenTimings and every time I update the bios (and I have a newer board that gets regularly updated) I enter them all in manually, as well as many other settings like disabling Spread Spectrum, setting Digi+VRM settings and fan profile, this is a part of the hobby. I just use a printoff of my ZenTimings blown up large. I keep it by my motherboard manual.

 

On my Zen 3+ system, my wife's build with my old 5900x, I probably change around 100 settings in various menus on the motherboard and also have a printoff for RAM timings for that one. I change a lot of stuff in the AMD CBS menu like BankGroupSwap, Interleaving size, etc.

 

Subsequently, that work that is a part of the hobby pays off in the long run. Also, if you're running 5000 series, you shouldn't be needing to BIOS flash and reenter all settings very often, if at all, as x570 has been around for 4 years and they've pretty much optimized it and fixed all the issues with it. They are focusing more on x670e and other chipsets now.

 

I digress, yes it is a PITA to reenter settings but the payoff is worth it, though less so on Zen 4 than 3000 or 5000 series.

 

Put in the work. It's worth it. That's my advice.

Edited May 29, 2023 by neurotix

[VoidTheWarranty]

Just giving folks a bit of an update here. So I'm locked into these settings for my CPU. I don't know what it is about them but they seem to perform the best no matter what I do. Can I get slightly better multicore yes. Can I get higher single thread performance no. Opting to go that route because this system is for entertainment and gaming and not multi-threaded work. 

PPT: 120
TDC: 65
EDC: 90
Scalar: X1
1.110 SOC Voltage.
XMP ON.
-20 on most cores -16 on my best two. 
Running +25Mhz or +50Mhz it doesn't make much difference performance wise. However increasing it further to +100Mhz there is a performance drop when benching.  

I might mess around with my memory however I don't think I'll be doing much OCing over the summer. I don't have AC in my spare bedroom where my computer is and it would be like comparing Apples to Apple Pie since most of my benching was done in the winter, also with the window cracked. It's been in the high 20's (80's Fahrenheit) this week and watching twitch and web surfing my CPU is in the lower 50C's and gaming I'm in the low to mid 70C's for example. 

I still feel like there's something about the 120-65-90 that just squeezes performance out of the 5600X. I have pages and pages of notes and benchmarks so maybe this will help someone else out if they try it. 

[neurotix]

You may need to wait til Winter with the window cracked and if you have notes of your benchmark scores, that's going to help if you manage to OC your RAM. Try the timings that kaliz posted when you do.

 

Also, it needs to be stated that on Ryzen, RAM OC also involves keeping the RAM and Infinity Fabric coupled in ratio, which in turn runs the L3 cache slightly faster which also helps in games especially. So it's not just your RAM you are OC'ing.