Sir Beregond

Extremely similar to Turing Super refresh then. 2060 and 2060 Super stayed around in tandem while 2060 Super was single digital percentage slower than the original 2070. Meanwhile the 2070 Super was single digit percentages slower than the 2080 and the original 2070 was EOL'd. And then the 2080 also got EOL'd for the 2080 Super which was marginally faster as the fully unlocked TU104 chip. Almost like this should have been your original lineup Nvidia Will be interesting to see where AIB card prices end up landing on average for this.

I still don't like the fact that they are taking away my nanometers. I mean Pentium 4 started out with 180nm and then towards the end was all the way down to 65nm. That is quite the rip off! I hear they are barely giving you 10nm these days!

I get what both of you are saying, I think you are too hyper-focused on t-shirts that you are missing what Jan is saying. T-shirts are one thing. All @iamjanco was saying is that t-shirts as part of the whole branding and marketing strategy should have a cohesive design strategy starting out. Part of what makes a brand identifiable is that you can see a logo + a color theme and immediately know what it is. Cohesive with the rest of the branding being done and the other marketing tactics that will also be using EHW designs in its efforts makes sense here. And then its usually the more creative design ideas that maybe break a bit from core branding/design cues then become the one off t-shirts as your brand establishes. Anyway I don't disagree that you can obviously have more than 1 t-shirt design. Just keep them fairly consistent in theming starting out.

Podcast sounds interesting. I can be the resident "back in my day, a candy bar graphics cards cost a nickel!" guy. I'm kidding, I would love to participate though. Another things video could be used for is tech news like our news section if we could make it interesting.

Fair, that's not my area of work so I have no insight into that. We use AWS in my department. Other departments in our org are Azure or GCP, but we are probably at the bleeding edge compared to where those orgs are at and AWS has worked great for us. You are right in it costing an arm and a leg though. See that's another part I don't really see is licensing. When I wanted a premium Power Automate license so I could use the ServiceNow integration, we just pinged a group to handle that. Anyway, I don't at all disagree with the notion we should have comparable competitors. We just umm...don't. When we do, I'm all for checking that out.

No business in their right mind would ever start moving to Google Cloud in this day and age when AWS and Azure are established and Google throws around "if we don't get the same number of customers, we are just going to shut down cloud services". Yeah I'm sure that's inspire a lot of confidence and bring in tons of business customers. Now I'd say the likelihood of that happening is clearly very low, but it doesn't matter. In my opinion, Google can't be taken seriously while they are throwing around that kind of talk. Plus Google has an established history at this point of not a lot of "stick with it-ness" to a lot of their product offerings. That's not good for business. As for other business apps, I gotta say if there was a time where Slack was vastly better than Teams, at this stage that's not even close to true anymore and since our enterprise uses both I can say Slack is almost ripping off design cues from Teams these days. What else...office software? Office365? We've been using the hell out of Power Automate this year, it's been fantastic for us automating (albeit, can be a bit janky to setup), but integrates extremely well with Teams, Outlook, SharePoint, etc. Honestly I don't have any complaints aside from the time services go down.

Most of the rest of the company is on Windows machines. Our department was a couple of startups that got bought like 6+ years ago and we still use Macbooks which I'd guess came from the startup days. I honestly don't know cost difference though as my understanding is that the enterprise leases machines vs buying them. This is like my 3rd refresh since I started 4 years ago. Yes I agree now that we've seen 3 gens of Apple silicon that it seems most improvements are coming from TSMC process node improvements. I think Apple silicon is certainly good for their MacBook products, but otherwise don't seem to be improving much on their own since initial release. As for the rest of your points, I agree wholeheartedly. Microsoft has really done a good job of branching their business in to long-term strategic revenue streams.

Yeah, well in many respects Apple really is just a fandom/fashion accessory. The whole ridiculousness around blue/green bubbles comes to mind, and there's your average Apple user. They've certainly managed to build a huge business on this, but eventually you reach a point where what else is there to do. Has the iPhone drastically changed much or provided anything meaningfully innovative in recent years? No. Apple Silicon sure helped Macbook, but aside from your existing demographics of Macbook users, is there anything else to draw people in? Microsoft on the other hand has sufficiently diversified their business into multiple revenue streams. I obviously don't agree with everything Microsoft is doing on Windows side of the house, but it cannot be denied that they are certainly making good business choices with AI, cloud, and other things.

I'm not sure why this old thread popped up on the side, but I can tell you this. At work my old 2019 Intel MacBook which I would describe as a complete piece of garbage with PC laptop levels of bad battery life was replaced with an M1 Pro based MacBook Pro in December and I love this laptop. I literally used it for an 8 hour day and the battery had only gone down to 60%. My old Intel one, even when new, barely lasted a couple hours before having to find a plug. I move around the house a lot for where I work (I work from home) and sometimes I work outside the house, so it's nice not having to be tied down to a cord. In terms of calling it "wasted"...I'd say that's not really true. I work for a fortune 10 enterprise and our department uses nothing but Macbooks to code/develop, etc. They are perfectly functional machines that everyone here would say work much better than their previous Intel i9 based Macbooks which would just immediately throttle and performed worse than i7 based models. Of course that was just Apple's stupid design with no real thermal solution for a hot chip like an i9. The M1's are definitely better that way. If you say well they aren't gaming laptops, well...yeah. It's Apple. Anyway, my team are not particularly power users by any stretch like the development teams are, i.e. I'm not really running apps as most of what I work on is in Outlook, Teams, web Office 365, or web based CI/CD tools. Given that though, it is nice running all day on battery and not having to even look at the icon to see if I am running out of juice. EDIT: And given that, my job would obviously be perfectly fine on a Windows machine too. I don't really care which. The iOS app devs probably like the Macs though would be my guess.

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@The Pook is right. Somehow everything is upside down in this picture. Man I haven't had Papa Murphy's in probably a decade. How was it?

You're right. I didn't even notice they used 580 on this meme. Oops.

What's funny is that it was actually ATI that started the war of the big dies that led to G80 and the 8800 GTX. Within context of the general die sizes of the era, they completely upset Nvidia with the R300 (which was the legendary 9700 Pro and later derivatives) as their way to completely dethrone Nvidia who was winning the performance crown at the time and Nvidia just kept increasing die sizes after to win until ATI and later AMD couldn't keep up with big die strategy. 2900 XT was a complete flop for them. And of course Nvidia just kept pushing it, though AMD still pushed it hard with 4870 and 5870 against the big Nvidia dies and did very well except for where it mattered...sales and profit. And who can forget:

Took a look at TPU. 7900 XTX is full Navi 31, 7900 XT is cut-down Navi 31. 7800 XT is full Navi 32, the next die down. There is a 7900 GRE that is a further cut-down of Navi 31 from what the 7900 XT is. That seems to suggest that there could be room for a 7800 XTX or whatever based on Navi 31, but I guess that would also depend on yields. If their yields are too good they might not want to release another cut-down Navi 31 product if the 7900 XT and 7900 XTX are sufficiently selling supply of said dies and their yields are too good to justify a further cut-down SKU. With the 7800 XT being full Navi 32, there is no room with that die for a higher SKU. That said I definitely agree there is plenty of gap between the two products to support something in between. I just don't think they'll do it. Credit where credit is due though. At least they didn't sandbag on cards with full dies like Nvidia tends to do.

Do they even have room for a card between the 7800 XT and the 7900 XT? If I understand correctly, the 7800 XT is already the full Navi 32 GCD. I suppose they could further cut down Navi 31. That's more aggressive price cutting than I was thinking they'd do, but that would probably be pretty good for them and they'd retain the good sales they currently have. I imagine they have plenty of margin to work with considering the MCM design and the relatively smaller die sizes as a result. At those prices they would still be a compelling offer in light of the Supers for the more VRAM and strong raster.

Thanks for the suggestion, will take a look. I appreciate the offer. Will let you know what I end up going with, but will probably go for new.

Good luck in your search and do let me know what you find. I bought a BNIB EVGA Z490 Dark (with a 10900k) last year and sadly spent more than that for it. I haven't had a chance to really play with it yet, but I wanted it around as a usable platform for future HWBot competitions.

Yeah the 7600 XT looks like a great card for the price. And agreed on Nvidia. The 4060 Ti and 4060 also stagnated entirely on any performance uplift over their similarly named 30-series predecessors.

Hey all - I was looking at the barebones Glorious boards that Flux mentioned looking at at Micro Center. Unfortunately not really finding any of those to my liking. I prefer full size keyboards and have no interest in tenkeyless, or 96% boards where there are still compromises on some key sizes like a short shift key, etc. Does anyone have a good recommendation for a solid full size board? I want to try to build something that has a tactile switch but is not clicky, so am looking for something that would also not be too loud.

The 4080 being $1200 was always outrageous. I still hate the $999 price, but given the new 4080 Super should reliably beat a 7900XTX with the increase in cores (albeit marginal), Nvidia doesn't have an incentive to lower it anymore than $999 because of AMD's pricing of the 7900 XTX. So color me annoyed. Feel like both companies are in cahoots to just raise prices. Now instead of the 4080 being $500 overpriced, the 4080 Super is now just $300 overpriced. We know this because of the existence of the 4070 Ti Super also using the AD103 at a slight cutdown from the 4080, but with the same bus/memory capacity and its $799. Yeah...the 4080/4080 Super should be that tier. EDIT: I do wonder if AMD will drop the 7900 XTX to $899 now and make the 7900 XT at $749 or maybe even $699 official.

Just add water.

I always hang on to cards as "emergency" cards. Problem with that approach is the increasing cost of new cards and the decreasing value of held onto cards as they increasingly become obsolete and less valuable as an "emergency card". I guess now that HWBot is a thing though, there will always be something for me to do with old hardware.

I love mayo, but would definitely not buy this lol. Speaking of mayo and seeing the packaging, I also am just not a fan of the squeeze bottle versions. We always buy a jar because at least you can use a small spatula to get the last of it out. Always feel like a bunch gets wasted with the squeeze bottles at the end.

Are old versions of Steam readily available for download still? I imagine you can just not update on existing machines, but I wonder for a new retro rig.

Yep exactly my thought. I fully acknowledge that some don't care about said features and just want the raster, but I still feel like they are/were overpriced for that too. As much as I hate what Nvidia is doing, AMD hasn't exactly won me over either.