Mr. Fox

Perhaps I did not present the question clearly. Maybe I did place it in the correct spot, in a relevant discussion. In that case it does not show up in the member content thread, correct? Only where it was posted and you would need to repost it as "member content" deliberately. Right? I don't remember posting the old Z490 and Z590 videos is why I ask. I probably did and simply forgot doing it.

Read the full review HERE

Yes it is. Thank you so much. I was looking for a forum/subforum and could not identify one. I did not notice the word "Videos" in the links at the top. I am used to looking for content in a list of sub-forums and threads for content I have not seen. I am frequently stumbling on things by accident that I never knew existed even though I look was forums and sub-forum often. I find this same challenge in other forums that use the same software and often never see things in those forums as well. If you post a video in another thread does it appear under Member Content, or the only way it gets there is to go to the Member Content and post it?

Maybe I am blind, but I can't find a subforum for this. Only this https://extremehw.net/video/browse/1-ehw-podcasts/ and it is not obvious how to post a user-created video. It looks like only podcasts and not user created video content. Is there another subforum that I am not identifying?

Oh that's too funny. I just ordered some MX-6 to test to compare against the KPx I've been using for so long. KPx is better than MX-4 by a couple of degrees, but I'm curious how it will compare to the MX-6. If MX-6 at least matches KPx that will be good because it is a lot cheaper. I have not yet delidded the 13900K that I purchased as a replacement for the one that mysteriously stopped working and I want to test them against one another on a virgin CPU before I delid. The Velocity2 block is really good. Mine was impressive. It matched the performance of my Optimus block, and I love how it looks. The Velocity2 bare die block was terrible, however. My bare die temps were the same as using the IHS.

Same experience here. Worked fantastic at first, but not that durable long term. I think the question was relevant given the kit included Hydronaut. I also think @ENTERPRISEwas smart for using the Kryonaut Extreme rather than the included Hydronaut. Hydronaut is not silicon-based. Fans of it say it spreads easier that Kryonaut, which make no sense to me at all because I never thought it was difficult to spread. If anything, I think it was too soft and very easy to spread and, therefore, was more conducive to pump-out than some of the competing products that were thicker. I think Kryonaut was better suited to sub-zero cooling (LN2, DICE, etc.) because it was not subject to freezing or hardening at the extreme low temperature and Hydronaut was not good for sub-zero.

Hydronaut has never been very good when I have tried to use it. I am not sure why Thermal Grizzly still sells it. I am surprised they do not ship the Kryonaut or Kryonaut Extreme with the waterblock. Kryonaut is a decent paste for desktops. It's not ideal for laptops. I have never tried Kryonaut Extreme, but here is what the manufacturer says about it (copy/paste from Amazon product info). "Thermal Grizzly's Kryonaut Extreme is an improved version of their Kryonaut paste, with the highest thermal conductivity achieved through the use of smaller particles, a thinner minimum layer height, and improved low-temperature application."

Excellent review. It was an enjoyable read and a good representation of the product. I had an EK Velocity2 block and it was very good, and looked great, so your review resonated with my experience.

Thanks for the compliment, brother. I am not sure about your questions on the warranty issues. EKWB would need to answer. Normal wear and tear covers a wide gamut of things. One aspect is time and hours of use, but there are other aspects of wear and tear might not be time or use frequency dependent. The benchmark scoring is a reflection of clock speed and the BIOS settings were the same with all three cooler tests, and the results were within a normal margin of error. If there were a hard thermal throttle that dropped clock speeds then there would be a lower score for the system that throttled due to overheating. It bothered me that the custom loop didn't fare better, but it kind of makes sense. Where the AIO would have not done as well is under long term stress. I was not attempting to prove the custom loop better in the review. Had I run the stress test for longer we would have likely seen the water in the AIO get hotter and the temperatures increase, but the 5 minute stress test is already "more than normal" use scenario and my goal was to replicate the fringe of what a typical user would see in normal use. After the review was completed it continued to bother me that the custom loop didn't have more distance between it and the AIO. It occurred to me that I had not cleaned the waterblock in a while, so I took it apart and found the fins in the jet plate had some crud in them. After cleaning it the custom loop was a couple of degrees cooler in the same test. If the ambient temperate is the same, flow rate is sufficient and the contact adequate, allowing the AIO to efficiently remove heat from the CPU and whisk it away to the radiator at a rate equal to the custom loop the thermals will be the same until the water in the AIO gets hotter. The real benefits of the custom loop are greater coolant capacity (takes longer to get hot) and greater ability to keep the water closer to the ambient temperature for a longer period of time. Also, the ability to add more components in the loop, like GPU and RAM.

Thanks, brother.

Another sloppy mess from the clowns at UL. It is designed for laptops and weaker computing devices, so maybe the thought process is that it is just a toy, not a tool, and accuracy doesn't matter. The same erratic scoring is visible looking at details in submissions from the 3DMark Hall of Fame. It does pull some hefty watts with the ray tracing in spite of the erratic results. There is no CPU scoring and change to CPU clocks and voltage doesn't seem to affect much.

It seem very unpredictable and unreliable. Very wild extremes in scoring between runs. In less than a dozen runs on the same system I am seeing a spread of more than 10,000 3DMarks. Some people are posting illogically high benchmark scores without GPU overclocking and I think there are a lot of bugged submissions. Example: all over the board, erratic results (same computer)

Thanks for posting this. I was not even aware it existed, and I just posted some of my best Time Spy results in the past week or so. I haven't seen any mention of it anywhere until now. FYI, it doesn't like RTSS. If I have RTSS/OSD running the benchmark fails at launch with the meaningless message "an error has occurred" (typical of 3DMark errors that tell you nothing of value). If anyone else has the same issue, shut down RTSS and it should complete.

I agree with everything you said but the part quoted is something that can easily get lost in the shuffle.

Time to bump this thread. Too long with no action. https://hwbot.org/submission/5329954_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/98374064 Same run above GPU score only: https://hwbot.org/submission/5329955_ https://hwbot.org/submission/5329959_ | https://www.3dmark.com/spy/40812238

Overdue for a wake-up and update to the leaderboard. 13900KS - multi: 18714.8 / single: 1025.3

Nvidia Maintains Dominance as Sales of Graphics Cards Hit All-Time Low in 2022 | Tom's Hardware WWW.TOMSHARDWARE.COM Sales of Nvidia's GeForce RTX 4090s impress amid decline of total available market. Gamers do not need flagship GPUs to game, and most games can run fine on GPUs that are 2 or 3 generations old. And, there are lots of gamers, some are just kids, that cannot afford to spend more than $1,000 on a GPU. I think that is probably what the Steam survey reflects. I believe it is an accurate reflection of Steam users, but probably not an accurate reflection of GPU sales overall. I spend more time benching my 4090 than I do gaming on it. I spend more time gaming on my weaker GPUs than I do benching them.

The question that the Steam market survey doesn't answer is how many people seldom play games that own 4090. From what I can tell it doesn't appear they've had any trouble selling them in spite of their idiotic pricing. A 4090 isn't needed for a quality gaming experience though. People who care more about gaming than anything else shouldn't feel compelled to spend that much money on a graphics card, especially if they are gaming at 1080p. There's no point in it when a 3060 TI, 3070, or 6900 XT will deliver a satisfactory experience. Unless you're cranking up the game settings to nax on a 4K screen you just don't need it. Might want it, but needing is a different story. I love my 4090, but the price of it sucked and reflected poor value. For 3090 and 3090 Ti owners, 4090 is the only option that offers a respectable performance upgrade in current generation. Anything less (4080 or 7900 XTX) isn't really an upgrade, but more like a frivolous waste of money for something that offers little or nothing.

I ran a 2000W vBIOS on my shunt modded 2080 Ti FTW3 HOF killer, ran 1000W vBIOS on my 3090 K|NGP|N and currently run a 10000W vBIOS on my 4090 Suprim. I plan to volt and shunt mod the 4090. I shunt modded my 3060 Ti and my last turdbook. Since nobody actually produces enthusiast graphics cards, you need to do this for yourself. And, expect to have interference because of control freak roadblocks along the way. It is harder than ever to own what you buy because the people selling the stuff want to own you. PC enthusiasts are a dying breed and the console jockeys are content to put up with whatever hand they are dealt. But, for $500 you can't expect anything special. For $2000 you should, and it for damned sure better be. I think there is a good chance my next GPU may be the top end ARC offering. Unless AMD pulls an unexpected magic rabbit from their top hat, they've got nothing that genuinely interests me. I am not expecting that they will, and it seems like they don't intend to try. If they want to turn the tide they should get rid of pencil-necked executive losers like Lisa Su and Frank Azor and replace them with people that are enthusiasts and understand enthusiasts.

Those are generally not even helpful as much as entertaining.

Thanks for the kind words brother. Have a nice Friday and a good weekend.

Thank you, sir! Have a nice evening.