Mr. Fox

Problem solved... no Strix 4090 replacement available, so it was refunded. No ASUS QC roulette required. Equal and better options are available for $200-$300 dollars less. At this point, I might just wait for 4090 Ti to drop and reassess the options at that point.

Probably a really excellent reason that we should. It would mean doing without some things, but I think it would be worth it based on the expected outcome.

I have heard of Colorful, of course, but not their "Kudan" product line. Those are some very sweet-looking steampunk designs they have. If they are of equal caliber to the Kingpin and Galax HOF OCL GPUs in terms of extreme overclocking capabilities, I am surprised that I have not heard of them. Perhaps it is because they are very limited availability and primarily focused on striking aesthetics?? Those design visuals would perfectly compliment the latest@iamjancoproject. I really cannot relate to the extreme tackiness that has become so popular. That is probably both cultural and generational, but those Kundan GPUs are proof that good taste still exists. I will probably never have the privilege of owning a Galax HOF OCL video card. I would love to have one, but I have always thought their products were aesthetically hideous and tacky-looking.

Core overclocking is decent enough. About the same as the Suprim. Holds 3000 in benchmarks with ambient cooling, so it's only the crappy memory overclocking. If it is old stock, it spent time somewhere else before it got to NewEgg. I can't see anything that tells me when it was made. The vBIOS release date is 10/12/2022, but that only tells us how old the firmware is. It is really unfortunate that the GPU AIB partners are charging exhoribitant prices for subpar garbage wearing a flagship label. If the Strix was $1500-$1600 like a Cracker Jack gamer-wuss GPU there would be no basis to complain. Considering it is only outpriced by the Galax HOF OC Lab (that we can't even buy in the US) they should be binning and cherry-picking core and memory to justify the asinine price. Had it matched or beat the Sumprim, I would not have complained about getting screwed. I'd be content. With the RGB turned off it looks nice and it is built like a flagship in terms of construction. With the RGB turned on it looks like it belongs at a circus or carnival. But, ugly is the new modern. The Galax HOF OC Lab 4090 is among the ugliest I have seen, except for those extra-ugly and ridiculous Yeston GPUs... those take the cake on disgusting aesthetics.

The Strix 4090 OC is an absolute turd and I am trying to get NewEgg to give me a refund. If not, I guess I will have to roll the dice on an exchange. The MSI Suprim utterly destroys it in benchmarks because the memory overclocking on the Strix is horrible. The Suprim was able to handle +1600 with ECC enabled and the Strix maxes out between +1300 and +1350 with ECC enabled. It was $200 more and a regrettable buy. I should have known better and just waited for another Suprim X to become available. I wish I would have seen this before I ordered the Strix. Maximum Overclock Comparison. Seems they have a reputation for sucky memory. 4090s that sell for $500-$700 less do better. Literally every high-end component I have purchased from ASUS has failed and required an RMA. The only products I have purchased from ASUS that have been reliable are economy (Prime) and mid-range gamerboy (Strix) mobos. They have never given me any trouble. What makes it especially miserable is their warranty process. They take 3 to 6 weeks to process, you have to pay out of pocket to send the defective product, and then they look for every excuse under the sun (including stupid stuff, like signs off normal wear) to deny the warranty. My experience with them has been deplorable. I also have two friends that have been denied warranty with Rampage motherboard claiming CPU socket pins were bent. They took photos and had proof they were not bent when it shipped and had long drawn-out arguments with them over it. One guy it happened twice to, and his first replacement was a refurb that arrived with bent pins. One of my failed motherboards caught on fire and the last one, Z490 Apex, killed a golden bin 10900KF when it failed. When I called about the one that caught on fire, the support rep told me it is not covered under warranty and I had to demand to speak to a Supervisor to even get them to agree to look at it. I got a replacement 6 weeks later. The CPU that was killed was "not their problem" and fortunately Intel replaced it (but with a crappy silicon sample).

I generally try to avoid saying 'never' and in this case I am doing just that. As I was waiting for Amazon to process my refund, I thought about the way the Suprim just died for no reason I could identify, and I remembered that my first Unify-X mobo lasted less than a day. I decided that was not better than the bad luck I have had with ASUS. I no longer have much confidence in reliability from either brand now. So, I figured that I might as well get the Strix since it seems reliability for both brands is questionable. I almost pulled the trigger on a MSI Trio from Best Buy for $1600 and ready for pickup today, but decided that chances of me being happy with it are probably very slim. It's pretty wimpy in terms of power delivery, unlike the Strix and Suprim. The Strix and Suprim and HOF are the only 4090 GPUs built better than the FE. All others are weaker than the FE. I ended up getting a Strix OC 4090 for about the same price as the Suprim. It should be delivered tomorrow. I just hope it holds up as well as my Strix mobos have all held up. All of the reliability issues I have had with ASUS products involve their most expensive top-tier enthusiast stuff that should be the best they offer. Rampage, Maximus, Apex and Hero mobo have all been horribly unreliable for me... 100% failure rate. If I don't have to deal with their horrid warranty/support process everything will be peachy.

Absolutely not. ASUS is my last choice most of the time. Their QC is probably the worst and their warranty/support is totally unacceptable. I never say never most of the time, but I am inclined to because my experience with their enthusiast products has always ended badly. Oddly enough, their mid-range and low-budget product line has always been reliable for me. The Strix is also grossly overpriced and inferior to the Suprim X. RTX 4090 VRM meta-analysis and FE/AIB comparison so even if it were priced correctly the Suprim X would be the preferred option. If I were going to waste $2400 on a GPU it would be the Galax HOF 4090, even though it is pretty ugly to look at. I know, right? No way I am paying more than the $1799 for the "sold and shipped by Amazon" option. I will only purchase "sold and shipped by" product from Amazon and NewEgg when they are major (expensive) components like CPUs, GPUs and motherboards. Their marketplace sellers are often shady and not very customer-centric. Nope, none whatsoever. I've been benching using cold air and cold water for roughly 15 years and monitor temperatures and dewpoint very closely. I have 2 digital thermometers with humidity readers near my case and one inside of the case, and a flow/temperature meter on the loop. Living in a desert since 2015 (Southern Arizona) it is even less of an issue. ESD is the much bigger problem here due to the lack of humidity. ESD here is actually insane. I have had LEDs blown out on keyboards and mice due to ESD. In this case I did not remove the radiator from the loop, so it was impossible for the water to get cold enough for condensation, and the GPU was using the AIO with only cold air (not cold water). My impression is that one of the fuses on the PCB is blown. I probably could have repaired it, but that would have been silly since it was still within the Amazon return window. Had it been outside of that window, I probably would have fixed it myself rather than sending it to MSI. The GPU is not detected in any PCIe slot. I tested it on both desktops. Booting into Windows using the 3090 KPE or 3060 Ti GPU the 3090 is not even present in Device Manager. It is as if it does not exist.

Well the 4090 Suprim stopped working yesterday. It's going back to Amazon for a refund. They don't have any stock available for exchange. I was working yesterday (using my work PC) and had it running with Outlook open so I could check my personal email throughout the day (my normal routine). I looked over and the screen was black as if I had the power profile set wrong to let the screen go dark. I normally disable that. I jiggled the mouse and tapped some keys on the keyboard and nothing. So, powered it back on and the motherboard starts beeping with D6 Q-code (no display device detected). With the 3060 Ti installed in the primary slot and the 4090 in the second PCIe 16x slot, no 4090 detected. I stuck it into my work computer and same thing.

Mr. Fox - Score: 14044 - 8K Optimized - 13900K - RTX 4090 - ECC Enabled UNIGINE Superposition benchmark score BENCHMARK.UNIGINE.COM UNIGINE Superpsition detailed score page Mr. Fox - Score: 15224 - 8K Optimized - 13900K - RTX 4090 - ECC Disabled UNIGINE Superposition benchmark score BENCHMARK.UNIGINE.COM UNIGINE Superpsition detailed score page

Mr. Fox - Score: 37616 - 4K Optimized - 13900K - RTX 4090 - ECC Enabled UNIGINE Superposition benchmark score BENCHMARK.UNIGINE.COM UNIGINE Superpsition detailed score page Mr. Fox - Score: 39406 - 4K Optimized - 13900K - RTX 4090 - ECC Disabled UNIGINE Superposition benchmark score BENCHMARK.UNIGINE.COM UNIGINE Superpsition detailed score page

Having to enable ECC really sucks, too. It degrades performance, but now it is required by HWBOT. The temperatures are what allowed me to clock higher on the GPU core. I used the portable AC unit that I used to use for overclocked laptop cooling and used it to flood the case with extremely cold air and that allowed much higher boosting without lockups and crashing due to lack of adequate voltage. I really hate that about modern GPUs. It makes overclocked benching a lot less fun than it use to be when we had voltage control. It will be better when I get the block installed and have chilled water running through it.

MrFox`s 3DMark - Fire Strike score: 70981 marks with a GeForce RTX 4090 HWBOT.ORG The GeForce RTX 4090 @ 3154/1513MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the 3DMark - Fire Strike benchmark. MrFoxranks #5 worldwide and #5 in the hardware class. Find out more at HWBOT. MrFox`s 3DMark - Fire Strike Extreme score: 47480 marks with a GeForce RTX 4090 HWBOT.ORG The GeForce RTX 4090 @ 3154/1513MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the 3DMark - Fire Strike Extreme benchmark. MrFoxranks #16 worldwide and #16 in the hardware class. Find out more at HWBOT.

I just tested it this way and it totally tanked my Firestrike score. Much better with HT on all P-cores and 3 E-cores disabled. This method produces the best results for me. Hitting Scroll Lock makes it easy in GT1.

Yes, I believe you can. I've never tried it but I think the BIOS has that option. I will have to compare the scenario you mentioned.

Yes, you can disable HT in the BIOS on the P-cores, but that leaves a lot of horsepower on the table and lowers your average overall CPU core clock speed due to having half as many threads whose clock speeds factor into the CPU average clock. With all cores enabled and HT enabled on the P-cores the 13900K is 32 threads (24 threads with HT disabled). The E-cores are actually Atom cores and they do not support it. They are also inferior and won't overclock as high as the P-cores. They even have their own SP-rating on a ROG mobo. I wish they were all P-cores. That would be better.

Yup, too many cores/threads seems to confuse Firestrike and 3DMark 11. It also helps to enable the legacy CPU option in the BIOS and use the Scroll Lock key to totally disable the e-cores in Firestrike Test 1. For some reason, Test 1 runs way faster with only 8 cores. Hit Scroll Lock again between Test 1 and 2 to re-engage the e-cores. I believe Test 1 favors CPU core clock speed over core count more than Test 2.

I have a water block that should be arriving on Thursday. Will be fun to see how much further I can push it with chilled water. MSI Suprim Liquid X cooling isn't that much better than air cooling. Mr. Fox`s 3DMark - Fire Strike score: 68881 marks with a GeForce RTX 4090 HWBOT.ORG The GeForce RTX 4090 @ 3126/1513MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the 3DMark - Fire Strike benchmark. Mr. Foxranks #9 worldwide and #8 in the hardware class. Find out more at HWBOT. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 video card benchmark result - Intel Core i9-13900K Processor,EVGA Corp. Z690 DARK KINGPIN WWW.3DMARK.COM Intel Core i9-13900K Processor, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 11}

Discovering that you are not a girl probably put some of them into the state of flux.

Welcome, bro. Nice to see you over here, bud.

I think something with O&O Shutup disables System Restore. I always have to manually re-enable it after running the CTT script. The antimalware executable I believe is separate from Defender. It is either SmartScreen (which I disable) or the Malicious Software Removal tool. If you run the Defender removal script and reboot you should see a good drop in services and system resources. I went for almost a decade with no antivirus and still do not rely on it. I view it as mostly unnecessary. I had used ESET for years and think it is good, but I like the free version of Panda the best. Most of the time I have it disabled. You should be able to use Autoruns to disable AquaSuite or anything else that runs at startup. It may also show up in MSCONFIG if it runs as a Service.

Everything I own is multi-boot with each OS having its own NVMe drive. I find it easier to do that than dealing with the consequences of allowing a payload of garbage. My work desktop boots W7, W10 LTSC 2021, W11 Enterprise and KDE Linux. My benching rig boots W7, W10 LTSC 2019, W10 LTSC 2021, W11 Pro and KDE Linux. My laptop that spends most of its life as a dust collector boots W10 LTSC 2019, W11 Pro and Zorin OS (Linux). Each machine has one crash dummy OS that allows Micro$lop to molest it with cancer updates and other filth and the others are kept free of cancer updates and optimized for maximum performance and functionality. I generally do not view anything that needs to be downloaded from the Micro$lop Store as being a contributor to functionality. I automatically regard it as rubbish until I see evidence to the contrary, so having the Store on W10/W11 is essentially irrelevant. Not having the Store helps keep things clean and bloat-free. Ideally, I'd only boot one OS that is Linux, but there is enough missing in terms of software that I need or want to use that is not available on Linux that I haven't found a good way to make it my only OS. I'd have to replace my benching hobby with something else, but gaming on Linux is on par with Windows. Most of the "Windows-only" titles I have tested work great on Linux using Proton.

You're welcome. Yes, it does. I use it on all versions of Windows 10 and 11 (Pro, Enterprise and LTSC) with success.

I think the exact cause is still not verified, but the last video from KrisFix-Germany seems to indicate the possibility that most (if not all) of the affected GPUs came from the same vendor in China that may have been selling retired mining GPUs. I believe that all or most of them worked for a while in the hands of the buyer before the cores fractured. They were all abnormally clean so it may have been something with the cleaning/refurbishment process that contributed to the failures. We may never know for certain. Kris had to dig the information out of the customers that were willing to provide information to help with his investigation of the cause. Some were unresponsive.

/img/logo.png Mr. Fox`s Cinebench - R23 Multi Core with BenchMate score: 44871 cb with a Core i9 13900K HWBOT.ORG The Core i9 13900K @ 5900MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the Cinebench - R23 Multi Core with BenchMate benchmark. Mr. Foxranks #38 worldwide and #27 in the hardware class. Find out more at HWBOT. /img/logo.png Mr. Fox`s Cinebench - R20 score: 17043 cb with a Core i9 13900K HWBOT.ORG The Core i9 13900K @ 5828.3MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the Cinebench - R20 benchmark. Mr. Foxranks #38 worldwide and #29 in the hardware class. Find out more at HWBOT.

I did not find a thread for Cinebench. Hopefully, this is not a duplicate. Post 'em here folks...