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The board was okay but MSI has redundancies, some wonkiness, but I would say it was better than my last Gigabyte that would randomly change from UFEI to standard BIOS at random it left a bad taste in my mouth. When I sold it I tossed in a free cooler just to get it out of my home faster. Asus QC/Warranty these days is pretty questionable. Overall I'm still having a hard time knowing that Asrock is one of the better options although I have no experience with their BIOS. But you are correct I don't think I'll be going for another MSI unless it's one crazy deal. Which boards are you seeing are actually quality/ not stupid bios? The fanboi echo chamber is really something else not to mention all the performance any of these companies promise is always bs. I commented earlier about how the CPU-Z single core performance wasn't anything impressive (although a leak so who knows). But if it the leak was accurate and so is the Videocardz article I would not surprised at all. 7800X3D sounds like the most appealing, maybe an intel rig if they get cleared out hard seeing as I still have DDR4. I had to go from single rank to dual rank cause AMD's controller couldn't handle the ram upgrade which was a fun waste of a week troubleshooting that and the return. Is AM5 any better for memory or is it still sketchy? Something I'll also consider.

I'm not upgrading out of necessity. That is correct but upgrading based on Performance/value/enjoy of building PC's. This is an "extreme hw" forum right?

Well I canceled it. We'll see if I regret it. While that 9000X3D would be nice I'll be waiting another couple years to upgrade to one of them. If the 7800X3D does drop in price I'll snag one I'll be watching. I'm going to be surprised if the 9600X is that amazing but I feel like I'm either missing something or I'm just not buying into the fanboi hype. I'm not sure why there's so much hype over a chip that's single core performance in CPU-Z is on par with a i7-12700K. But the 7900X3D at $389 when it's generally $500+ and a 7800X3D is $488 well the 7900X3D to me still seemed like a good option but I agree not the best. Most importantly I'm not paying $500 for either of them I just don't think a 7800X3D or 9000X3D is worth $488-500 to me. I actually won't pay over $400 for a chip again it just wasn't worth it. I rather opt for the $400 deal I just saw pop up for a 7600X + Mobo combo. Anyone go from a 5600X to 7600X to X3D chip for actual real life comparison? Thanks everyone for the AM4 advice. It is probably the best advice for someone interested in keeping with AM4 however I have 0 interest in a 5700X3D or 5800X3D I'm sick of AM4. I spent more hours tweaking this thing probably than all the other PC's I've had combined (20+ years of building PC's) and honestly AM4 never felt satisfying.

1080p by choice. That's an idea.

I appreciate this as you actually have one. Thanks for the advice. Nah I'm done with AM4 wasted too much time tweaking it and going from a 3000 series to 5000 was pretty lackluster of an upgrade.

Well I have 30 days to return so I guess we'll see if AMD can release something on par with with a 7900X3D that costs less than this we'll see. I kinda doubt it considering a Ryzen 7 7700 (non X) is $410 and I'm pretty sure the 7900X3D trounces it in gaming for $21 less.

So here in Canada the 7900X3D hit an ATL on Amazon of $389 (sold out now). Another retailer has one "on sale" for $580. For reference current list price on Amazon for the 7800X3D $489, 7950X3D $749, 5700X3D is $299 and 5800X3D $409. Pricing for reference. 5600X is what I have right now. Let me know if I should return this thing since it hasn't arrived yet or if this was smart. This is 90% a gaming rig and I realize the 7800X3D is a better all around gaming CPU but seemed like a good deal. I'm concerned I'm not going to see a massive uplift and I'd be better off just getting a new GPU. However my buddy who went from a 5600X to a 5800X3D seems to think it runs smoother but not sure if smoother is worth the money. Seems like some games do favor this over the 7800X3D spiderman, hogwarts, I think I saw one COD maybe? I won't be overclocking this thing so I'm going to make it as budget as possible. If it's worth keeping feel free to drop your X3D tips since all I know is that you are limited with your options on these. I have a RX 6750 XT, what sort of uplift do you think I'll end up seeing? I'll let people know should I keep the chip.

Thank you!

Can someone please explain to me what Nvidia is actually selling besides shares? I'm a distributor in real life I represent 40+ companies in sales for me I like having factual tangible equipment to sell and being able to research it. Few days back unfortunately I don't have it (I'll post if I find it again) but It was showing these insane sales from Nvidia that were trouncing their GPU sales. Okay of what and to who? Seriously can someone name a part number or products and in what scale are they being sold and to who? I seriously want to know cause I must have missed something here. The weird thing is I have asked numerous times around Reddit especially in investment subs and nobody can seem to give me an answer. It kinda seems like I'm watching this. CEO to IT should we get some of that AI? Yeah for sure. Okay here's a check for $10,000,000. Make it happen IT. IT sooo ummm lets just put the money into Nvidia stock and show the CEO ChatGPT. Bonuses for the IT department this year.

So whenever I hear AI Nvidia pops up. I feel like Nvidia has an incredible Marketing team they sell the crap feature for a premium to idiots. While that's not bad when it comes to sales it's another when it comes to a long term investment into a specific technology. I worry Nvidia may still be overpriced from Crypto + pandemic however are they seriously that much of a dominant fixture when it comes to AI? Who are other serious players considering TESLA and NVIDIA stock seemed to be linked for whatever crazy reasons right now.

Just giving folks a bit of an update here. So I'm locked into these settings for my CPU. I don't know what it is about them but they seem to perform the best no matter what I do. Can I get slightly better multicore yes. Can I get higher single thread performance no. Opting to go that route because this system is for entertainment and gaming and not multi-threaded work. PPT: 120 TDC: 65 EDC: 90 Scalar: X1 1.110 SOC Voltage. XMP ON. -20 on most cores -16 on my best two. Running +25Mhz or +50Mhz it doesn't make much difference performance wise. However increasing it further to +100Mhz there is a performance drop when benching. I might mess around with my memory however I don't think I'll be doing much OCing over the summer. I don't have AC in my spare bedroom where my computer is and it would be like comparing Apples to Apple Pie since most of my benching was done in the winter, also with the window cracked. It's been in the high 20's (80's Fahrenheit) this week and watching twitch and web surfing my CPU is in the lower 50C's and gaming I'm in the low to mid 70C's for example. I still feel like there's something about the 120-65-90 that just squeezes performance out of the 5600X. I have pages and pages of notes and benchmarks so maybe this will help someone else out if they try it.

Anyone work in the industry? Seems like there's a lot of hype in AI right now however I don't know if it's basically investment marketing to pump these companies up or actually legit. Obviously AI has merit however is it completely overblown at this point. Does anyone actually work in the industry or AI R&D on here?

It's like Nvidia every couple months sends me a reminder that I don't need to have any buyers remorse over switching teams. Thanks Nvidia.

So this weekend I didn't have much time to do anything however I just got a massive single thread performance boost. Currently I've been rocking -16 2 best cores -20 on rest. I tried -17 and -20 wasn't anything special improved multicore like 15 pts. So then I tried the reverse I went back to -16 on my best and reduced -20 to -19. Boom! Huge uptick in single thread. With -16 and -20 + 50Mhz boost. I was at 632 single thread and 5030 Mult-thread in CPU-Z. With -16 and -19 + 50Mhz Boost I'm at 646 & 4999. It reduced my mult-thread performance granted my temps weren't as good due to the weather being significantly warmer and I toned down my fan curve a bit but I'll take it. Single thread performance has been the hardest to increase. 639 & 5045 has been my best up until this point but that was with 100Mhz boost. So with 50Mhz boost and my single thread is beating that I'm going to experiment with this. I'm still utilizing my Radioactive Spider Venom: PPT: 120 TDC: 65 EDC: 90 Scalar: X1 Link: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X @ 4623.92 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR VALID.X86.FR [f560ul] Validated Dump by DESKTOP-GFAEV7D (2023-05-08 21:04:50) - MB: MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS (MS-7C56) - RAM: 32768 MB

Ram overclocking is like dry humping on a date in your 30's... All you're going to end up with is like a 2 FPS increase and case of blue balls getting her there.

I might meet you 1/10th of the way by trying your 18-22-22-22-54 in 3733 1.36v. Should I increase my SOC to 1.2 or should I just leave it on auto? Should I leave XMP on or disable it and have everything at auto except my main timings? Would tightening up my current timings even be worth it? How low do you think I could get my timings without much voltage increase with my current 3600Mhz speed? I don't want to increase voltage too high since heat is a factor in my case and I don't have a fan blowing on them. Current: 18-22-22-22-42 to 18-20-20-20-40 or something? Long story short I wasted a month this winter trying to get 2 dual rank modules to work I'm kinda put off with memory tweaking after dealing with that and the return, and having to reinstall everything. Pretty nervous especially if it borks my system since everything is running fine. Also I like to be able to quickly just set everything back to normal after a BIOS update and individual ram timings is not a fun time.

Thaiphoon Burner won't load for me. Worked for my last ram but I tried 2 versions and it won't work. I'm not sure what I have. I'll try looking for a different number or something but this is the set I'm working with (Without more detail). https://www.corsair.com/ca/en/Categories/Products/Memory/VENGEANCE-LPX/p/CMK16GX4M2D3600C18 CMK16GX4M2D3600C18

I feel like I have tried those settings before but I'll check them out. I went through a month of frustration with some ram so I don't know that I will spend much time on it. I have my 3600Mhz kits running stock right now. I might try my stock settings with 3733 but I'm not sure I want to push my luck. My memory usually only uses around 1.34v not even the 1.35v should I still increase the SOC voltage?

I'll be honest with you dudes running a TDC of 75 and EDC 125 previously I was performing worse in benchmarks. I know with a TDC of 75 anyway. I might try it again but I'll look at my notes. I really hit a wall with certain settings that's why I am using what I am now. I started going through too many post-it notes so moved to notebook. What I find odd is that in CPU-Z if I have my boost set to +100 I'm hitting my stock boost. However if I have it set to something less or off then it won't be listed in CPU-Z.

You know part of the reason I went with a lower EDC was because I heard there was some sort of EDC bug and I couldn't find out if it was fixed or not so exactly so I figured run with 90 see what happens. I seem to get better performance with lower voltages than higher ones.

I have 1.2.0.8 for my MSI. But I mean I'm trying to avoid being in the 1.4XX I didn't think I should spend a lot of time there. I guess it shouldn't matter unless I was there 24/7 but I honestly don't know that the maximum the 5600X should be hitting in Hwinfo64 I've been trying to keep things in the 1.2X-1.3X for fan noise. I mean I wasn't quite idling I was downloading Call of Duty MW 2019 so I was being a bit dramatic. But my max temps in Hwinfo 64 when not benching would hit 1.4X and it made me nervous. I think my lows were 38-45C somewhere in there. Factor in this is in a NZXT 510 case not exactly a 1337 cooling rig. You can see my temps and voltages from the CPU-Z run below. Keep in mind I had my window open and it was like 10C or 50 degrees outside. Also you can see the Cinebench score above which would likely be a better guide for temps and such.

So first of all my offsets for these runs are not fine tuned so I could probably do better. The +100Mhz has a substantial impact on single core scores. The following PPT-TDC-EDC will however provide you with substantial performance especially in regards to Multicore. I have pages and pages of different settings benchmarked however I seem to be narrowing down on these for stability in benching/gaming. I didn't have any games or benchmarks crash previously but some games didn't feel quite right..... Just not dialed in. Radioactive Spider Venom: PPT: 120 TDC: 65 EDC: 90 Scalar: X1 Score I get without the +100Mhz (Peter Parker) Single Thread: 624 <-- Average 5600X thread performance but CPU vcore and temps reduced Multi-Thread: 4914 <-- Multicore still excellent with 120-65-90 -20 allcores except 2 best cores -15 https://valid.x86.fr/k9j6k3 Score I get with +100Mhz (Venom) Single Thread: 639 2nd test cause I didn't believe it: 639 <-- Do you even lift bro? Multi-Thread: 5045 2nd test: 5011 <-- Still above 5000. -20 allcores except 2 best cores -15 https://valid.x86.fr/m959w2 Tombraider Benchmark Score Avg FPS: 170 Frames Rendered: 26645 GPU BOUND: 38% <-Best FPS/Most Frames I've rendered before. Cinbench R23 Score: 11689 Having a beast of a multicore score is great however boosting the single core has been the hardest part. Increasing the Mhz on the chip has definitely helped. I'm not too sure how at this point I can reduce my idleish - low load temps / voltage other than changing coolers obviously. CPU CORE voltage (SVI2 TFN) Maximum on HWINFO64 hit around 1.42-1.43 or something like that. It might spike to that at desktop here and there as well. I'm going to run Ryzen Master to see what it tells me for max offsets per core sometime and try those values out. Idling in the low 50's isn't going to kill my chip nor will the voltage likely kill it during the time I plan on using it from what I understand from Der8auer. He ran his like full bore 24/7 for a year and required a 20mv increase on one of 2 I think . I'm not worried about dipping into the 1.4v range during Max voltage range in HWINFO64 for benchmarks but I'm not sure about it spiking that high here and there at the desktop and being around the 1.35X territory frequently. You guys tell me from your own experience. ***→ Does anyone know how sketchy or dangerous it would be to run a CPU Offset Voltage of say -.1000V with core offsets and PBO on? I'm not sure if you should do a cpu voltage offset while PBO/core offsets are on. I worry about stability especially at the lower power end. I suspect it's keeping my voltage high to keep it stable. CPU-Z Multi-Thread CPU-Z Single Thread Does Cinebench not show you your previous runs anymore? I can't figure out how to get it to show that now.

I hope at this point nobody is following this thread in hopes of learning something specific. I think we've gone off the rails a couple pages back. My weekend is cut in half this weekend (inventory at work) unfortunately so if you're here for the amusement I might only have a few settings to mess around with. I think I might try running Ryzen Master at some point and see what it tells me for individual core offsets. The thing is I read a lot of people saying things like "Master tells me that I can run -30 however it's unstable". I haven't used Ryzen master before, does anyone use it or the auto OC feature? Not sure if I should just dial whatever it tells me per core offset back 20% per core for less demanding software stability. But I want to try +100 and +200 Mhz with 10-60-115 and 110-65-115. I feel like I might have to increase my TDC/EDC a bit I'm not sure. At least I'll know where my temps land if I can even get +200 stable unless all it's going to be is clock stretching which I don't quite understand. **COD 2022 was free last week for trying. I was using it to test stability. Does anyone have a spare code for the game? I have some game codes I'd be willing to trade for it. Shoot me a message if you're interested.

What does pbo_Fmax enhancer do?

I've been lingering around 110-60-115 to 110-65-115 as of late. When I ran -20 allcore and +50 boost I got some of my best benchmark scores this was after getting bored of tweaking each core. But it felt a bit off in games. I might try the +100 and hope it doesn't crash with 110-65-115 but not sure about an offset. This is a bronze chip I'm working with.