Jump to content

Welcome to ExtremeHW

Welcome to ExtremeHW, register to take part in our community, don't worry this is a simple FREE process that requires minimal information for you to signup.

 

Registered users can: 

  • Start new topics and reply to others.
  • Show off your PC using our Rig Creator feature.
  • Subscribe to topics and forums to get updates.
  • Get your own profile page to customize.
  • Send personal messages to other members.
  • Take advantage of site exclusive features.
  • Upgrade to Premium to unlock additional sites features.
IGNORED

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D is 6% faster in gaming than Core i9-13900K according to leaked AMD review guide


bonami2

Recommended Posts

Social Media Manager
1.4k 822
Quote

With Radeon RX 7900 XTX GPU, Ryzen 9 7950X3D is 5.6% faster in gaming than Core i9-13900K. This is based on a selection of games at 1080p resolution. Both systems were equipped with 2x16GB DDR5-6000 memory. With the RTX 4090 GPU in play, the gap widens to 6% in favor of Ryzen 9 7950X3D, and up to 16% compared to the 7950X.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d-is-6-faster-in-gaming-than-core-i9-13900k-according-to-leaked-amd-review-guide

 

 

 

  • Thanks 2

Owned

 Share

MOTHERBOARD: MSI MPG Z790i EDGE
CPU: Intel 13900k + Top Mounted 280mm Aio
RAM: 2x24gb Gskill 6400 cl36-48-48 1.4v
PSU: Cooler Master V850 SFX Gold White Edition
GPU: UHD ULTRA EXTREME BANANA GRAPHIC
MONITOR: [Monitor] LG CX48 OLED [VR] Samsung HMD Odyssey Plus OLED + Meta Quest 2 120hz
CASE: CoolerMaster NR200P White Mini ITX
SSD/NVME: 2TB Intel 660p 1tb sn850 1tb sn770
Full Rig Info

Owned

 Share

CPU: Asus Strix G15 AE 6800m 5900hx 32gb ram 1440p
RAM: MSI GT60 Dominator 870m 4800MQ
GPU: Alienware M11x R2 i7 640um Nvidia 335m 8gb Ram
MONITOR: Lenovo X270 1080p i7 7600u 16gb ram
SSD/NVME: Acer Chromebook 11.6
Full Rig Info

Owned

 Share

CPU: Ryzen 5560u
MOTHERBOARD: Beelink SER5 Mini PC Box
RAM: 2x32gb Sodimm
CASE: Jonsbo N1 Mini ITX
HDD: 8TB + 4TB HDD + 2 x Intel DC S3500 800GB
Full Rig Info
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Social Media Manager
1.4k 822
7 hours ago, Kaz said:

Test is overlooking the obvious.  AMD's ram sweet spot is 6000, Intel chips benefit from higher speeds.

That and they probably choose their game for the best result. I expect that the final benchmark will show the ryzen underperforming in many game.

 

Ddr5 8000 is already sold in 2x16gb kit and the 13900ks would close the gap even more. Well issue is cooling those 13900k are impossible to cool.

Edited by bonami2

Owned

 Share

MOTHERBOARD: MSI MPG Z790i EDGE
CPU: Intel 13900k + Top Mounted 280mm Aio
RAM: 2x24gb Gskill 6400 cl36-48-48 1.4v
PSU: Cooler Master V850 SFX Gold White Edition
GPU: UHD ULTRA EXTREME BANANA GRAPHIC
MONITOR: [Monitor] LG CX48 OLED [VR] Samsung HMD Odyssey Plus OLED + Meta Quest 2 120hz
CASE: CoolerMaster NR200P White Mini ITX
SSD/NVME: 2TB Intel 660p 1tb sn850 1tb sn770
Full Rig Info

Owned

 Share

CPU: Asus Strix G15 AE 6800m 5900hx 32gb ram 1440p
RAM: MSI GT60 Dominator 870m 4800MQ
GPU: Alienware M11x R2 i7 640um Nvidia 335m 8gb Ram
MONITOR: Lenovo X270 1080p i7 7600u 16gb ram
SSD/NVME: Acer Chromebook 11.6
Full Rig Info

Owned

 Share

CPU: Ryzen 5560u
MOTHERBOARD: Beelink SER5 Mini PC Box
RAM: 2x32gb Sodimm
CASE: Jonsbo N1 Mini ITX
HDD: 8TB + 4TB HDD + 2 x Intel DC S3500 800GB
Full Rig Info
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Premium Platinum - Lifetime
1.2k 726

Was going to upgrade to a 7900x3d. Raptor Lake isn't worth it for me other than benching. Was hoping we'd see like 10% ipc improvement that Zen 4 has over my current Zen 3, plus another 25% from V-Cache in benching and games. So 35% better than what I have.

 

Was going to get a different cooler so these new mobos can fit in my midtower case, get a Strix X670E Gaming, have some G.skill Flare X DDR5 6000 cas 36 (which I will return) and a 7900x3d. That won't be happening.

$5500

Owned

 Share

CPU: Ryzen 9 7900X3D 2100MHz fclk
RAM: G.skill TridentZ5 7600MHz 36-45-45-45 1.425v
GPU: MSI RTX 4090 Gaming X Trio 3.135GHz/12.152GHz
MOTHERBOARD: Asus ROG Strix X670E-E Gaming Wifi
SSD/NVME: Crucial T700 1TB Gen 5 M.2
MONITOR: Acer Ultrawide Curved 3440x1440 144Hz HDR400 FreeSync
CASE: anidees Ai Crystal AR3 Midtower
CPU COOLER: EK Nucleus AIO CR360 Dark w/ PTM7950
Full Rig Info

Owned

 Share

CPU: i5-7600 4.5GHz
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS ROG Strix Z270H Gaming
RAM: G.skill DDR4-3000 15-16-16
CASE: Silverstone Grandia series GD09
GPU: GT 710
SSD/NVME: Samsung 850 Evo
MONITOR: Asus V239H 1080p 60Hz IPS
CPU COOLER: Thermalright AXP-120-X67
Full Rig Info
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 24/02/2023 at 22:48, bonami2 said:

  

...now that more official / complete reviews have hit such as > Techpowerup's write-up and extensive testing (along with other reviewers on YT such as > Gamers Nexus), there seem to be some decent performance gains of the 7950X3D at much better power efficiency than either the 13900K or even 'regular' 7950X for gaming and productivity averages...of course milage may vary on the exact apps a specific user tends to run the most, but TPU's "Best of Both Worlds" description of the 7950X3D seems pretty fitting.

 

If you already have a LG1700 / 13xxxK, than no need at all to change of course, but if not, then the AM5 offerings make more sense given that LG1700 is due for replacement soon. I should know much more about my own upgrade path within a month or so, not least as there will be some related business systems upgrades as well...but it is likely that at least one 7950X3D will join the fray here - and I am looking forward to it 😀.

 

edit: Level1tech's take on things:

 

 

Edited by J7SC_Orion
  • Respect 1

Owned

 Share

CPU: CPU: ><.......7950X3D - Aorus X670E Master - 48GB DDR5 7200 (8000) TridentZ SK Hynix - Giga-G-OC/Galax RTX 4090 670W - LG 48 OLED - 4TB NVMEs >< .......5950X - Asus CH 8 Dark Hero - 32GB CL13 DDR4 4000 - AMD R 6900XT 500W - Philips BDM40 4K VA - 2TB NVME & 3TB SSDs >> - <<.......4.4 TR 2950X - MSI X399 Creation - 32 GB CL 14 3866 - Asus RTX 3090 Strix OC/KPin 520W and 2x RTX 2080 Ti Gigabyte XTR WF WB 380W - LG 55 IPS HDR - 1TB NVME & 4TB SSDs
Full Rig Info
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 27/02/2023 at 14:05, neurotix said:

Was going to upgrade to a 7900x3d. Raptor Lake isn't worth it for me other than benching. Was hoping we'd see like 10% ipc improvement that Zen 4 has over my current Zen 3, plus another 25% from V-Cache in benching and games. So 35% better than what I have.

 

Was going to get a different cooler so these new mobos can fit in my midtower case, get a Strix X670E Gaming, have some G.skill Flare X DDR5 6000 cas 36 (which I will return) and a 7900x3d. That won't be happening.

I always found Zen 4 to be more an iterative release following Zen 3. Smaller process, so clock and efficiency gains, but nothing drastically different than Zen 3 architecturally. 

 

I'm really waiting for Zen 5 to see what they do there.

Showcase

 Share

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X
GPU: Nvidia RTX 3080 Ti Founders Edition
RAM: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32GB DDR4-3600 (@ 3733 14-8-14-14-21-35 1T GDM)
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS Crosshair VIII Dark Hero
SSD/NVME: x2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB
SSD/NVME 2: Crucial MX500 1TB
PSU: Corsair RM1000x
MONITOR: LG 48" C1 OLED
Full Rig Info

Owned

 Share

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K, Core i9-10900K, Core i3-13100, Core i9-13900KS
GPU: various
RAM: Corsair 32GB DDR3-2400 | Oloy Blade 16GB DDR4-3600 | Crucial 16GB DDR5-5600
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS Z97 Deluxe | EVGA Z490 Dark | EVGA Z790 Dark Kingpin
SSD/NVME: Samsung 870 Evo 1TB | Inland 1TB Gen 4
PSU: BeQuiet Straight Power 12 1500W
CASE: Cooler Master MasterFrame 700 - bench mode
OPERATING SYSTEM: Windows 10 LTSC
Full Rig Info

Owned

 Share

CPU: M1 Pro
RAM: 32GB
SSD/NVME: 1TB
OPERATING SYSTEM: MacOS Sonoma
CASE: Space Grey
Full Rig Info
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Premium Platinum - Lifetime
1.2k 726
4 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

I always found Zen 4 to be more an iterative release following Zen 3. Smaller process, so clock and efficiency gains, but nothing drastically different than Zen 3 architecturally. 

 

I'm really waiting for Zen 5 to see what they do there.

 

Yes, I had to planned to do that too. I personally am waiting for like 24c/48t 8950X, and a cut down 20c/40t 8900x, or something like that. I think core counts need to go up, they've been the same since Zen 3.

Edited by neurotix

$5500

Owned

 Share

CPU: Ryzen 9 7900X3D 2100MHz fclk
RAM: G.skill TridentZ5 7600MHz 36-45-45-45 1.425v
GPU: MSI RTX 4090 Gaming X Trio 3.135GHz/12.152GHz
MOTHERBOARD: Asus ROG Strix X670E-E Gaming Wifi
SSD/NVME: Crucial T700 1TB Gen 5 M.2
MONITOR: Acer Ultrawide Curved 3440x1440 144Hz HDR400 FreeSync
CASE: anidees Ai Crystal AR3 Midtower
CPU COOLER: EK Nucleus AIO CR360 Dark w/ PTM7950
Full Rig Info

Owned

 Share

CPU: i5-7600 4.5GHz
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS ROG Strix Z270H Gaming
RAM: G.skill DDR4-3000 15-16-16
CASE: Silverstone Grandia series GD09
GPU: GT 710
SSD/NVME: Samsung 850 Evo
MONITOR: Asus V239H 1080p 60Hz IPS
CPU COOLER: Thermalright AXP-120-X67
Full Rig Info
Link to comment
Share on other sites

29 minutes ago, neurotix said:

 

Yes, I had to planned to do that too. I personally am waiting for like 24c/48t 8950X, and a cut down 20c/40t 8900x, or something like that. I think core counts need to go up, they've been the same since Zen 3.

I'm surprised they haven't brought Threadripper back since Zen 2 to be honest.

 

Yeah, or at the very least re-evaluate launch prices for 6 and 8 core parts. I don't think $300 for a 6 core makes much sense in 2023 for example.

 

But yes, I would be interested in seeing if future architectural improvements include more cores per CCD. I don't think you are getting more than 2 CCD's on a mainstream chip still unless they do a newer Threadripper where there is a bigger package to fit additional CCD's.

Showcase

 Share

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X
GPU: Nvidia RTX 3080 Ti Founders Edition
RAM: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32GB DDR4-3600 (@ 3733 14-8-14-14-21-35 1T GDM)
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS Crosshair VIII Dark Hero
SSD/NVME: x2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB
SSD/NVME 2: Crucial MX500 1TB
PSU: Corsair RM1000x
MONITOR: LG 48" C1 OLED
Full Rig Info

Owned

 Share

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K, Core i9-10900K, Core i3-13100, Core i9-13900KS
GPU: various
RAM: Corsair 32GB DDR3-2400 | Oloy Blade 16GB DDR4-3600 | Crucial 16GB DDR5-5600
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS Z97 Deluxe | EVGA Z490 Dark | EVGA Z790 Dark Kingpin
SSD/NVME: Samsung 870 Evo 1TB | Inland 1TB Gen 4
PSU: BeQuiet Straight Power 12 1500W
CASE: Cooler Master MasterFrame 700 - bench mode
OPERATING SYSTEM: Windows 10 LTSC
Full Rig Info

Owned

 Share

CPU: M1 Pro
RAM: 32GB
SSD/NVME: 1TB
OPERATING SYSTEM: MacOS Sonoma
CASE: Space Grey
Full Rig Info
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Premium Platinum - Lifetime
1.2k 726
30 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

I'm surprised they haven't brought Threadripper back since Zen 2 to be honest.

 

Yeah, or at the very least re-evaluate launch prices for 6 and 8 core parts. I don't think $300 for a 6 core makes much sense in 2023 for example.

 

But yes, I would be interested in seeing if future architectural improvements include more cores per CCD. I don't think you are getting more than 2 CCD's on a mainstream chip still unless they do a newer Threadripper where there is a bigger package to fit additional CCD's.

 

It can be done with miniaturization, add more cores per CCD. Don't know how long we'll be waiting for that, or how what fabrication node would allow it, etc.

$5500

Owned

 Share

CPU: Ryzen 9 7900X3D 2100MHz fclk
RAM: G.skill TridentZ5 7600MHz 36-45-45-45 1.425v
GPU: MSI RTX 4090 Gaming X Trio 3.135GHz/12.152GHz
MOTHERBOARD: Asus ROG Strix X670E-E Gaming Wifi
SSD/NVME: Crucial T700 1TB Gen 5 M.2
MONITOR: Acer Ultrawide Curved 3440x1440 144Hz HDR400 FreeSync
CASE: anidees Ai Crystal AR3 Midtower
CPU COOLER: EK Nucleus AIO CR360 Dark w/ PTM7950
Full Rig Info

Owned

 Share

CPU: i5-7600 4.5GHz
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS ROG Strix Z270H Gaming
RAM: G.skill DDR4-3000 15-16-16
CASE: Silverstone Grandia series GD09
GPU: GT 710
SSD/NVME: Samsung 850 Evo
MONITOR: Asus V239H 1080p 60Hz IPS
CPU COOLER: Thermalright AXP-120-X67
Full Rig Info
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Social Media Manager
1.4k 822

I don't think they will increase core count. The 13900ks is already giving a run for it money to most server cpu in passmark. If they want to sell their 10k cpu they need to keep mainstream cpu slower.

Reason why intel is going 6 p core and 16 e core next release supposedly.

Owned

 Share

MOTHERBOARD: MSI MPG Z790i EDGE
CPU: Intel 13900k + Top Mounted 280mm Aio
RAM: 2x24gb Gskill 6400 cl36-48-48 1.4v
PSU: Cooler Master V850 SFX Gold White Edition
GPU: UHD ULTRA EXTREME BANANA GRAPHIC
MONITOR: [Monitor] LG CX48 OLED [VR] Samsung HMD Odyssey Plus OLED + Meta Quest 2 120hz
CASE: CoolerMaster NR200P White Mini ITX
SSD/NVME: 2TB Intel 660p 1tb sn850 1tb sn770
Full Rig Info

Owned

 Share

CPU: Asus Strix G15 AE 6800m 5900hx 32gb ram 1440p
RAM: MSI GT60 Dominator 870m 4800MQ
GPU: Alienware M11x R2 i7 640um Nvidia 335m 8gb Ram
MONITOR: Lenovo X270 1080p i7 7600u 16gb ram
SSD/NVME: Acer Chromebook 11.6
Full Rig Info

Owned

 Share

CPU: Ryzen 5560u
MOTHERBOARD: Beelink SER5 Mini PC Box
RAM: 2x32gb Sodimm
CASE: Jonsbo N1 Mini ITX
HDD: 8TB + 4TB HDD + 2 x Intel DC S3500 800GB
Full Rig Info
Link to comment
Share on other sites

48 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

I'm surprised they haven't brought Threadripper back since Zen 2 to be honest.

 

Yeah, or at the very least re-evaluate launch prices for 6 and 8 core parts. I don't think $300 for a 6 core makes much sense in 2023 for example.

 

But yes, I would be interested in seeing if future architectural improvements include more cores per CCD. I don't think you are getting more than 2 CCD's on a mainstream chip still unless they do a newer Threadripper where there is a bigger package to fit additional CCD's.

 

Zen 2 Threadripper is a gem per my own experience. The reason why they did not update release the 'regular' Threadripper line with 59xx cores (apart from the hyper-expensive Threadripper Pro) was that there was no competition from Intel in the HEDT segment anymore. In fact, there was already a 'regular' Threadripper 5990X (below), just not available for sale...the workstation market has a different price ceiling and Threadripper Pro pricing works for that.

 

Overall, the desktop space will feel increasing pressure to become more power-efficient - whether with Intel-like P+E asymmetry, or AMD 3dVcache on some but not all chiplets inside a package. We consumers (and OS programmers) just have to get used to the asymmetry. 

 

The workstation market though is different and very likely to heat up (no pun intended) with Sapphire Rapids and symmetric Golden Cove about to hit the market - AMD has already confirmed an upcoming Zen4 'regular' Threadripper, now that their HEDT competition is back...those new HEDT by both vendors all have symmetrical cores and power consumption to match (per > earlier thread here) though I expect the new Zen4 AMD Threadripper to be the more power efficient of the two lines.

 

 

 

 

 

  • Thanks 2

Owned

 Share

CPU: CPU: ><.......7950X3D - Aorus X670E Master - 48GB DDR5 7200 (8000) TridentZ SK Hynix - Giga-G-OC/Galax RTX 4090 670W - LG 48 OLED - 4TB NVMEs >< .......5950X - Asus CH 8 Dark Hero - 32GB CL13 DDR4 4000 - AMD R 6900XT 500W - Philips BDM40 4K VA - 2TB NVME & 3TB SSDs >> - <<.......4.4 TR 2950X - MSI X399 Creation - 32 GB CL 14 3866 - Asus RTX 3090 Strix OC/KPin 520W and 2x RTX 2080 Ti Gigabyte XTR WF WB 380W - LG 55 IPS HDR - 1TB NVME & 4TB SSDs
Full Rig Info
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

This Website may place and access certain Cookies on your computer. ExtremeHW uses Cookies to improve your experience of using the Website and to improve our range of products and services. ExtremeHW has carefully chosen these Cookies and has taken steps to ensure that your privacy is protected and respected at all times. All Cookies used by this Website are used in accordance with current UK and EU Cookie Law. For more information please see our Privacy Policy