videocardz AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D is 6% faster in gaming than Core i9-13900K according to leaked AMD review guide

[bonami2]

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With Radeon RX 7900 XTX GPU, Ryzen 9 7950X3D is 5.6% faster in gaming than Core i9-13900K. This is based on a selection of games at 1080p resolution. Both systems were equipped with 2x16GB DDR5-6000 memory. With the RTX 4090 GPU in play, the gap widens to 6% in favor of Ryzen 9 7950X3D, and up to 16% compared to the 7950X.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d-is-6-faster-in-gaming-than-core-i9-13900k-according-to-leaked-amd-review-guide

 

 

 

[Kaz]

Test is overlooking the obvious.  AMD's ram sweet spot is 6000, Intel chips benefit from higher speeds.

[bonami2]

7 hours ago, Kaz said:

Test is overlooking the obvious.  AMD's ram sweet spot is 6000, Intel chips benefit from higher speeds.

That and they probably choose their game for the best result. I expect that the final benchmark will show the ryzen underperforming in many game.

 

Ddr5 8000 is already sold in 2x16gb kit and the 13900ks would close the gap even more. Well issue is cooling those 13900k are impossible to cool.

Edited February 25, 2023 by bonami2

[neurotix]

Was going to upgrade to a 7900x3d. Raptor Lake isn't worth it for me other than benching. Was hoping we'd see like 10% ipc improvement that Zen 4 has over my current Zen 3, plus another 25% from V-Cache in benching and games. So 35% better than what I have.

 

Was going to get a different cooler so these new mobos can fit in my midtower case, get a Strix X670E Gaming, have some G.skill Flare X DDR5 6000 cas 36 (which I will return) and a 7900x3d. That won't be happening.

[J7SC_Orion]

On 24/02/2023 at 22:48, bonami2 said:

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d-is-6-faster-in-gaming-than-core-i9-13900k-according-to-leaked-amd-review-guide

 

 

 

  

...now that more official / complete reviews have hit such as > Techpowerup's write-up and extensive testing (along with other reviewers on YT such as > Gamers Nexus), there seem to be some decent performance gains of the 7950X3D at much better power efficiency than either the 13900K or even 'regular' 7950X for gaming and productivity averages...of course milage may vary on the exact apps a specific user tends to run the most, but TPU's "Best of Both Worlds" description of the 7950X3D seems pretty fitting.

 

If you already have a LG1700 / 13xxxK, than no need at all to change of course, but if not, then the AM5 offerings make more sense given that LG1700 is due for replacement soon. I should know much more about my own upgrade path within a month or so, not least as there will be some related business systems upgrades as well...but it is likely that at least one 7950X3D will join the fray here - and I am looking forward to it .

 

edit: Level1tech's take on things:

 

 

Edited February 28, 2023 by J7SC_Orion

[Sir Beregond]

On 27/02/2023 at 14:05, neurotix said:

Was going to upgrade to a 7900x3d. Raptor Lake isn't worth it for me other than benching. Was hoping we'd see like 10% ipc improvement that Zen 4 has over my current Zen 3, plus another 25% from V-Cache in benching and games. So 35% better than what I have.

 

Was going to get a different cooler so these new mobos can fit in my midtower case, get a Strix X670E Gaming, have some G.skill Flare X DDR5 6000 cas 36 (which I will return) and a 7900x3d. That won't be happening.

I always found Zen 4 to be more an iterative release following Zen 3. Smaller process, so clock and efficiency gains, but nothing drastically different than Zen 3 architecturally. 

 

I'm really waiting for Zen 5 to see what they do there.

[neurotix]

4 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

I always found Zen 4 to be more an iterative release following Zen 3. Smaller process, so clock and efficiency gains, but nothing drastically different than Zen 3 architecturally. 

 

I'm really waiting for Zen 5 to see what they do there.

 

Yes, I had to planned to do that too. I personally am waiting for like 24c/48t 8950X, and a cut down 20c/40t 8900x, or something like that. I think core counts need to go up, they've been the same since Zen 3.

Edited March 1, 2023 by neurotix

[Sir Beregond]

29 minutes ago, neurotix said:

 

Yes, I had to planned to do that too. I personally am waiting for like 24c/48t 8950X, and a cut down 20c/40t 8900x, or something like that. I think core counts need to go up, they've been the same since Zen 3.

I'm surprised they haven't brought Threadripper back since Zen 2 to be honest.

 

Yeah, or at the very least re-evaluate launch prices for 6 and 8 core parts. I don't think $300 for a 6 core makes much sense in 2023 for example.

 

But yes, I would be interested in seeing if future architectural improvements include more cores per CCD. I don't think you are getting more than 2 CCD's on a mainstream chip still unless they do a newer Threadripper where there is a bigger package to fit additional CCD's.

[neurotix]

30 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

I'm surprised they haven't brought Threadripper back since Zen 2 to be honest.

 

Yeah, or at the very least re-evaluate launch prices for 6 and 8 core parts. I don't think $300 for a 6 core makes much sense in 2023 for example.

 

But yes, I would be interested in seeing if future architectural improvements include more cores per CCD. I don't think you are getting more than 2 CCD's on a mainstream chip still unless they do a newer Threadripper where there is a bigger package to fit additional CCD's.

 

It can be done with miniaturization, add more cores per CCD. Don't know how long we'll be waiting for that, or how what fabrication node would allow it, etc.

[bonami2]

I don't think they will increase core count. The 13900ks is already giving a run for it money to most server cpu in passmark. If they want to sell their 10k cpu they need to keep mainstream cpu slower.

Reason why intel is going 6 p core and 16 e core next release supposedly.

[J7SC_Orion]

48 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

I'm surprised they haven't brought Threadripper back since Zen 2 to be honest.

 

Yeah, or at the very least re-evaluate launch prices for 6 and 8 core parts. I don't think $300 for a 6 core makes much sense in 2023 for example.

 

But yes, I would be interested in seeing if future architectural improvements include more cores per CCD. I don't think you are getting more than 2 CCD's on a mainstream chip still unless they do a newer Threadripper where there is a bigger package to fit additional CCD's.

 

Zen 2 Threadripper is a gem per my own experience. The reason why they did not update release the 'regular' Threadripper line with 59xx cores (apart from the hyper-expensive Threadripper Pro) was that there was no competition from Intel in the HEDT segment anymore. In fact, there was already a 'regular' Threadripper 5990X (below), just not available for sale...the workstation market has a different price ceiling and Threadripper Pro pricing works for that.

 

Overall, the desktop space will feel increasing pressure to become more power-efficient - whether with Intel-like P+E asymmetry, or AMD 3dVcache on some but not all chiplets inside a package. We consumers (and OS programmers) just have to get used to the asymmetry. 

 

The workstation market though is different and very likely to heat up (no pun intended) with Sapphire Rapids and symmetric Golden Cove about to hit the market - AMD has already confirmed an upcoming Zen4 'regular' Threadripper, now that their HEDT competition is back...those new HEDT by both vendors all have symmetrical cores and power consumption to match (per > earlier thread here) though I expect the new Zen4 AMD Threadripper to be the more power efficient of the two lines.