Alastair

Ill just wait for Battlemage. It seems like ARC A series OC'es ok. The fact that AMD gimped MPT RBT and MCT on RDNA3 means that Intel at the moment seems to be the last bastion of enthusiast GPU overclocking. 

OK so now MCT starts to work a bit. But options for clock changes etc are still greyed out. 

I have figured it out I think. I need to install the R-ID drivers with the option for 23.5.2 kernals. Are there any sort of disadvantages when using older kernal with newer drivers? I am busy installing as I type will see if I can get it to work.

2 hours ago, LabRat said:

This was mentioned somewhere else, and realized it might be helpful, here:

 

Update of the MoreClockTool (MCT) to version 1.1.0 - Download is online

WWW.IGORSLAB.DE

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The latest version 1.01 of the MoreClockTool is online. With the use of the AMD Device Library eXtra Software Development Kit (ADLX SDK) RDNA3 is now also inclu

Also, did *not* realize that about Vega. (probably due to cooling limitations)
Now I have even more reason to OC 'em 

More clock tool and more power tool do not work with Vega. 

EDIT: Or I just can't figure out how to make it work with R-ID drivers

1 hour ago, LabRat said:

This was mentioned somewhere else, and realized it might be helpful, here:

Update of the MoreClockTool (MCT) to version 1.1.0 - Download is online

WWW.IGORSLAB.DE

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The latest version 1.01 of the MoreClockTool is online. With the use of the AMD Device Library eXtra Software Development Kit (ADLX SDK) RDNA3 is now also inclu

Also, did *not* realize that about Vega. (probably due to cooling limitations)
Now I have even more reason to OC 'em 

I laugh at the face of cooling restrictions 

4 hours ago, LabRat said:

Ouch!
Yes, HBM is very thermal sensitive; the cooler you can keep it, the higher it clocks. 800-945mhz, it can 'eat the heat' but, 1050-1107+ ya gotta keep it under 75C.
As you've found out, you can go crazy-high, if under nice and cool water.

 

Personally, 1106Mhz (Actual) on the HBM is my 'ideal'. IDK if it's placebo, but I swear Vega runs smoother when the SoC and HBM clocks are 1:1.

 

If your ambients are that high, more air can only help so much: I'd be looking at an active water chiller, lol.

 

I'm not 100% sure yet. This'd be the 3rd time I thought I killed that card.

Both Vega and Navi 2x, seem to get testy with me when I crash them. Sometimes after sitting unpowered or power cycling, they come back. No clue why, other than like a non-UEFI compatible 'safe mode'.

 

Yes, I was using the Navi 24 6500 XT for AFMF'ing my other older cards. 
Somehow, even w/ an RX580X, Vega 64, and "WX 9100", and even w/ AFMF off, I was getting better benchmarked performance passing another card's rendering thru to the 6500. Tested that like 5x times w/ A:FoP and Killing Floor 2. Strangest part: Vega does NOT like to do the same. (passing frames from one Vega to another is not smooth).

 

Amusingly, I recently moved to the 5800X3D, also.
While my (FSP 250W TDP "Rated") air cooler isn't quite up to the task*, the X3D 'boosted' my Vegas' already good min framerate. 

As you've demonstrated (and I've played with) HBM GPUs aren't dead. OC'd they just keep gaining performance. 

A dream of mine, is to drop a riser-connected MI25/WX 9100 in a container of mineral oil, then drop in dry ice.  

 

*F@H easily thermally-maxes my 5800X3D w/ current cooling.

On later drivers (after 18.x I think it was) AMD pushed the SOC to match the HBM. So you could go all the way to 1200HBM and have the HBM and SOC 1:1. So going beyond 1107HBM should be a non issue. 

29 minutes ago, LabRat said:

R.ID Community Driver: Hybrid - Release Nebula 23.11.1 WHQL | Page 436 | guru3D Forums

FORUMS.GURU3D.COM

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I do not see the driver version he used in the video description, can you tell what's the driver used? It would've been the latest Valve APU driver,...

 

BTW, I've had problems w/ the 24.1.1 drivers (the last few days) on my Vega cards*. (primarily just the installer not installing the drivers correctly, and CCC not installing after)

*Sadly, it appears my Navi 24 RX 6500 XT has perished. So, I've got a Vega 64 and a "WX 9100" in the machine @TM. More than 1 card, seems to confuse the latest R.ID installer(s).
 

I'll try the More Power Tool. It's hard to keep track all the fixes etc across all the different forums. 

We have been suffering a rather extreme heatwave these last few weeks here in Johannesburg. My indoor temps have creeped past 30c a few times. Playing hogwarts Legacy I've seen core temps climbing beyond 45c and my HBM over 50. It's amazing how the HBM stability falls off a cliff when you exceed 50c. It will quite happy run legacy with 1175HBM if under 50c but I have to back off the clocks a bit once the temps exceed 50C. I don't have a backplate on my Vega. Space is a wee bit tight behind the card with the riser and also the outlet of the block going behind the card. But I am wondering if a like an 80x10 fan on the back of the core might help bring things down a few Cs.

Also with your 6500XT dying. The Vegas would eat those anyway. So unless you need the modern features on the 6500xt you are sitting with basically an upgrade on the Vegas. Mine is nipping at the heels of 6600XT with the current OCs. I've managed to break 9K gfx in Timespy and I'm trying to edge the 9100 barrier. I have enough radiator and let's face it 5800X3D (need to update rig 3800X died) doesn't dump massive heat into the loop. So I've got almost 680mm of rad dedicated to the Vega. 

7 hours ago, LabRat said:

Never messed with that, in that manner. 

OverDriveNtool is all I've used.

(Trixx, afterburner, and Wattmann, after loading new PowerPlayTables)

 

I believe the "MorePowerTool fix" is what resolves the issues you're looking at, however. Which, is wrapped into the 23.5.2SE R.ID Kernal drivers.

 

In my experience across 3+ MI25s(WX 9100s) and 1 Vega 64,

These are most-stable, and most-classically tweakable driver for single Vega 10.

 

Alternatively, the latest drivers from R.ID seem to work okay too.

But, with a Navi24 slotted in alongside the Vega 10, newest drivers are a PITA (R.ID and AMD, alike)

 

I'm currently on R-ID drivers 24.1.1. 

What is morepowertool fix? I wonder if I can replace the PP_PhmSoftWTTable with the older PP_PhmSoftPowerPlayTable and if things will still work.

1 hour ago, LabRat said:

I've just used OverDriveNtool (like MorePowerTool),

load-in a higher(or lower) power Vega's vBIOS' PPTs, then modify them.
IIRC, I've been able to get 330W+ out of an MI25 w/ merely increasing the Power Limit in the PPT before applying.

I've noticed if you don't use the right driver, you lose any/all finite voltage control, regardless of what's set in PPTs.

 

R.ID (Formerly amernimezone) drivers work best in my experience for tweaking Vega.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/radeon-id-distribution/files/Release Polaris-Vega-Navi/Release Specific HotFixes/WHQL-R-ID-Software-Hybrid-23.9.1SE-Win10-Win11-PolarisVegaNavi-Omega.exe/download

https://sourceforge.net/projects/radeon-id-distribution/files/Release Polaris-Vega-Navi/WHQL-R-ID-Software-Hybrid-23.12.1KB-AFMF-23.30.13.05-Dec8-Win10-Win11-PolarisVegaNavi-Nebula.exe/download

 

Old TPU thread of mine on the topic:
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/wx9100-power-mods-help-w-powerplay-tables.306424/post-4984126
I've learned much since then, and presumptions I've made in that thread are not totally accurate but, it has pics of using OverDriveNtool and the R.ID drivers.

 

I am exceedingly embarrassed to say that I have had OverDriveN tool for ages and I NEVER knew it could do that. But now I have run into another issue. I assume things have been changed with newer drivers these days. But the registry entry is no longer called "PP_PhmSoftPowerPlayTable". It is now called "PP_PhmSoftWTTable". So the editor now won't open it as it says "invalid size". I have also noticed that there are far fewer entries in the new table vs the old. 

Here is an example. One of my old PP tables from probably a 2020 driver on the right vs new on the left

58 minutes ago, damric said:

Yeah man I hate that the newer cards don't OC really. The RDNA 2 cards do with MPT though. You will probably enjoy those.

 

But yeah my Vega 64 couldn't do much for the HBM, and it was limited to 1.2v on core.

Yes but even some air vegas are quite good. I argue my air vega was better than my LC. I could get to 1730 with the standard 1.2v on my air vega. My LC edition needs the full 1250mv to just keep 1750 stable with the power targets unlocked. Vega was actually one of the cards that annoyed me because we still to this day can't do BIOS mods for Vega. 

2 hours ago, damric said:

I'll try and find my old tables where I basically unlimited the power and current. They are probably on a flash drive or disk in the office so might take some digging. If I can't find them, I'll link you the method I used to change the hex values. The trick is finding the right ones to change. When my water was very cold I could sustain 1800MHz for a lot of benches, but power draw was north of 450W.

I am currently around 1750 set for about 1720-1750 get. and 1150 hbm. and I am doing about 350w core power. SO probably 450w total board power. But I have loads of thermal headroom. 45c core and 60c hotspot. So I want to crank the voltages and I know that the SPP tables tent to take priority over the BIOS with Vega.  So I want to eek as much out of the old girl as I can as I don't WANT to upgrade right now. I'm voting with my wallet. I won't support nvidia's scumbaggery with the 40 series, I don't like that AMD has blocked enthusiast overclocking on RDNA 3 by blocking the RBT and MPT tools. So I am sitting on my Vega HOPING that Battlemage brings something fun to play with. Because Alchemist is pretty overclockable from what I can tell. And I am hoping a second or third gen GPU from Intel by the time it comes out will have most of the kinks ironed out. 

Hey guys, So I want to mess around a bit with the SPP tables on my Vega 64. However I am at a bit of a loss where to start. 

I want to edit the tables easily. I do know there is the Soft Power Play tables editor by halsafar but I have no idea how to even get it to work. Does anyone have a guide on how to install it and the prerequisites like the GTK it requires to run? Any help would be appreciated. 

Or alternatively I found a YouTube video where the guy was using an excel file that could modify and then generate the changes to the SPP tables in such a way that you could just copy paste them straight into a txt document and run it. However I can't seem to find out where to download such a file. And the only excel based spp editors I can find are on mac forums and they require clover or something to export the tables. 

I have posted a screenshot of the excel doc that was being used in the YT video. 

Hmmm. I see. I guess I was hoping for more like some unlocked features. I saw somewhere that the Amernime drivers could unlock SAM. and I was also hoping to get RSR support. I see no reason why Vega can't support resizeable bar and RSR. Especially RSR since FSR works on Vega and RSR doesn't need explicit game support. 

I guess these drivers would if been more useful for me. If I was still running my Fury's. Still another thing that AMD did recently I don't get was discontinuing driver support for GCN 1-3.

So I am trying to work out what the point is of the Amernime/ NimeZ drivers or whatever they are called. Ive been using them for a while and haven't really noticed a difference between the regular drivers. I installed the Navi versions for my Vega because I seemed to remember seeing somewhere that the modded drivers helped unlocked features such as SAM and RSR and those sort of things for "unsupported" hardware. But I have no new features and the performance seems about the same. So I am not quite sure what the drivers are trying to accomplish. Can someone help me understand? Ive been using vendor drivers since forever so this is my first foray into modded drivers.  

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is exactly what I was going to suggest trying first.

 

This is a common problem with Windows 10 and 11. Sometimes resetting the Windoze icon cache will correct it. Winaero Tweaker has a couple of features for this that you can try.

I have Winaerotweaker where exactly do I find this feature. I only started using it recently to disable telemetry and stuff so I am still not familiar with it.

EDIT Found the reset icon cache feature. Didn't help.  

5 hours ago, Avacado said:

They all have URL extensions. Are you sure you restored them correctly? There should be a path to the icon image as well as the .exe

i just restored them using the steam restore/backup function. Everytime I do it this is the result I get.

all my games are there and I can play them. I just want to fix all my icons

I just restored my games from my steam back up. And all my games dont have icons in the Start menu. How do I fix this?

4 hours ago, Avacado said:

Happy to help getting you where you need to be. @Bastiaan_NL and @PCSarge can lend support. I will be on our discord heavily this weekend to get some reviews going and would be willing to assist you if you need it. 

 

What is the time difference from EST to South Africa?

I can't see anyway I can improve my scores honestly. I'm as high as I can go on cpu for the cinebench R15 score. Can't do much  better on Ambient water. My PY prime is limited by my rather mediocre 3600mhz c die. The same goes for my geek bench single core. I've got the number 1 spot in R23 for 3800Xs so it's not like my single core scores are bad. But I can't compete with overclocked 5000 series chips. 

On 04/12/2021 at 00:55, Avacado said:

Whelp, iv'e done just about all I can. I am #2 rookie overclocker in the world right now. Some dude from France came and blew me out of the water and I should have had 1st. Will possibly get Alder Lake and see if I can compete again. I am looking to get more members active in HWbot. I know @Bastiaan_NLis getting back into it. 

 

 

Have #11 9900k in the world for Cinebench R23. I know I could get way better than this, but I am terrible with mem overclocking. Most of the people ahead of me have lower core OC's, but better mem speeds/timings. I know I could get top 5 if I had some help here. 

 

I thought I saw you up there. I am on HW bot as well. Been pushing for some results out of my hardware.  I got myself a 5594 in Superposition 1080p extreme which is good enough for 3rd place with a Vega 64, and a few other benches. But that's about it. I have a whole 1 point for the round 1 Div 2 competition.  So yay. 

https://hwbot.org/user/alastair_s1d/

22 hours ago, Storm-Chaser said:

Can you explain this a little more? Im an Intel guy since Phenom II days so I'm not sure why this would be a handicap? 

Write speeds are 1/2 on single CCD ryzens. They are limited to 16B/cycle. AMD did this to save power budget on single CCD ryzens. And since consumer workloads don't regularly do writes the performance loss is rarely noticed. 

14 hours ago, Storm-Chaser said:

I thought I'd go ahead and give this a whirl. Not sure If I will be a contender with my new setup but I'm just curious to see how these old chips compare with new tech. Just six easy steps!

 

1) Open AIDA64

2) Select Cache and Memory Benchmark, run test.

3) Only looking at bandwidth in this competition

4) Post your result as well as the primary tab in CPUz next to it

5) Scoring will be done by adding R/W/C result and then dividing by three

6) Please post as seen below:

 

 

 

 

 

Just a thought. 

Wont the results be a bit unfair to single CCX ryzen users as our writes are handicapped?   

5) Scoring will be done by adding R/W/C result and then dividing by three

Anywho here is mine. Quick dirty totally not stable cr@ppy samsung C-die's at 3800MHz 1:1 

On 31/03/2022 at 21:56, PCSarge said:

anytime, now on to the next one

 

 

 

why thank you sir, i like giving information if it helps people, new and experienced in the space.

sorry I know this is a bit of off topic. But how did you get hold of ye olde OCN emoji?

Fiji "An Overclockers Dream"..... Never forgive. Never Forget. 

14 hours ago, pioneerisloud said:

Maybe like this?   
(I know you said you remembered how they used to look, but mannnnn, I just have to share because  )

 

GeForce 6600GT:

 

GeForce 8800GTX:

 

Not going to lie, I do miss how creative companies used to get with their artwork.  Some older GPU's are absolutely gorgeous just because of the artwork they put on there.  I know quite a few actual women gamers that absolutely loved the older artwork too.  I have a friend locally who still has one of those mermaid 6600 cards that she refuses to let go of just because its "purdy".  Kinda why I wanted it too, so whatever I can't argue that point when its the same reason I want it right?   

You know what would be a fun topic?  Just a thread dedicated to "neat" looking parts.  Artwork, pink stuff, purple stuff, UV cold cathodes, blue stuff, red stuff, whatever.  Just objectively and subjectively "pretty" components.

I miss these and the cool box art that went with them. I find PC parts these days can be very bland boring and generic.