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This is, to say so loosely and with sheer smiley'ole rigor, the best thread. LM*O.

I'm shocked! LOL 

13 hours ago, Kaz said:

Yeah it sounds more like someone bought the 4090, then returned their borked card instead of the 4090.  The old swaparoo.

 

Seems more like a 1 off scenerio than something to get worked up over.

I tried that once in person with a xbox controller at a Walmart. (don't judge me, I'm not usually a corrupter LOL) 

I was mighty impressed the dude checked the serial number on the receipt to the controller. LMAO. 

I think the nail on the head is explaining the frame buffer piece.  

The essential general agreement that you want to be 'on the brink of GPU bound".  Even without reflex, it's obvious that's where you want to be.  Reflex answers that. 

Will it be common that this could potentially become driver bound across both NV/AMD?

Surely there is far more behind this. Considering all of the technologies forthcoming and those being combined (TinyML + VLM + curated precise LLM's) and the picture of the future looks rosy to me.  

This infusion isn't a surface topical play much like most journalism is profound in these days. 

And while I know no one personally on the inside of this deal, certainly someone sees the potential. 

Outside of current entertainment - movies, music, games; will a new genre of entertainment be upon us in a few years?  (a la ... ready player one lol?) 

I was suggested a pair of HyperX Orbit S and while not cheap it's the best headset I've used in some time. 

Not discounting ... more classic 'n' proper methods.  

Welp, looks like I concur! LOL. 

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NVIDIA today debuted the GeForce RTX 4080 Super, the third and final part of the Super mid-lifecycle refresh of its RTX 40-series Ada generation. NVIDIA focused on housekeeping the upper end of its GeForce RTX product stack with this refresh. For the RTX 4070 Super and RTX 4070 Ti Super, this meant more performance at their existing $600 and $800 price points, respectively. The company's approach to the RTX 4080 Super is slightly different. There is some increased performance to be had over the original RTX 4080; but at a 20% lower price point of $1,000, compared to the RTX 4080, which launched at $1,200. Much like the RTX 4080 and the flagship RTX 4090, the new RTX 4080 Super is recommended by NVIDIA for maxed out AAA gaming at 4K Ultra HD, including with ray tracing.

Link to FE review over @ TPU

From what it looks like, literally a margin of error increase in performance. Something seems... off. I don't think anyone expected some holy grail here, but wow.  Literally tests within the margins of error. 

Beyond what comments are already up at TPU on possible cuts (power, BIOS, etc) - anyone think there might be an uplift somehow?

6 minutes ago, bonami2 said:

The 4090 as almost 60% more core than the 4080. Mostly why the 4080 is a joke. If they had the same die and at least 12-14k core. 4080ti for 1000$ would be good.

Agreed! There's got to be a reason beyond all the public outcry. Beyond even the AI purchases on H100 product. 

Something is amiss between revenue, profits, and AI. It's not the gaming segment consumers if I had to guess; I'm wondering if something in the entire pipeline (code, development, etc) is coming that we don't know about which will require aforementioned performance/power (ala 4090). 

AI, maybe. Fixing image loss for new tech like DLSS/AFMF, etc? I dunno. 

Maybe it is just all the big corps looking to spend billions on GPU compute power. 

Yeah if it was had for $750 or $800 maybe. MAYBE. 

I think more so seeing 4090 level performance at $1000 is more likely a better upgrade point for me. Dunno if that comes 50x/80x. 

Thanks but yeah!  

We have two CPU's one board. =( 

Looks like the 4080 Super is the real deal then, if pricing is low enough. 

Heh! 

Thank you all for the suggestions. 

MUCH appreciated! 

7 minutes ago, UltraMega said:

This situation with AI in general, not just AMD specifically, feels a little like seeing AMD at $2 back then in the sense that it seems extremely likely that AI related stocks will continue to go up with no limit that is easy to see right now. 

No doubt the short wave began a year ago, the medium wave is incoming. 

But, will it be like the dot-com boom though? Huge 4 year span of insane bubbling or will it inevitably change the world in greater ways, let alone the market pricing possible and bubbles aside? 

It's anyone's prediction for quote-on-quote AGI; it's clear it will come eventually. I suppose someone in an inner circle somewhere has a more definite estimation. 

I reference many opinions citing the fad tendency in new technologies, but it seems awful naive to bury your head in the sand at this point. 

I mean at one point AMD over the course of like one or two weeks during the 09' dump was straddling $1.50~$3.  

I made huge gains from a large purchase then, but sold 90% at $30. 

I have little left but am glad I held onto some. Unreal from $30 to now. 

Not a crazy amount in short time, but wow. 

The house is a rockin' 

Don't bother knockin' 

Yeah the house is a rockin' DON'T BOTHER KNOCKIN'

IF the house is a ROCKIN'     DON't BOTHER 

COME ON IN...! 

-SRV

I am not a financial advisor. 

MSFT and AMD are two incredibly poignant companies right here, right now. 

It's kind of like reading between the lines: 

MSFT + SONY went AMD, what two decades now?

AMD upended Intel in the server space what, 5 years ago, 10? 

MSFT owns Windows, right? Used on nearly ALL US Gov, DOD, etc. Didn't the DOD pick MSFT Azure for backend?

Wait a minute, isn't MSFT going to get permits for their own nuclear reactors?

OpenAI rolls on the scene publicly in what 2016 after the 2015 pledge, and MSFT has been involved since 2019 at a billion dollars, now 10 billion more?

If I had to pick two stocks to buy now at 18 years old, I'd buy these two. Every cent. Strong feels for me. 

On 05/01/2024 at 17:41, Slaughtahouse said:

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Oh man apologies if this slides slightly off topic momentarily - BUT - holy lord it's not just the interest rates. It's clear what the writing on the wall is. I will refrain from a rabbit hole so take this only piece I'll offer with whatever you may: 

The biggest factor in our next worldwide recession is going to be credit debt. It won't be homes or stocks at first, it will be credit. Credit markets are in terrible, terrible shape, and very little is being discussed openly about the ramifications it will bring if defaults continue and eventually end up collapsing in large swaths. 

And then, back on the GPU wagon and pricing with specs - my take is awful plain - again writing on the wall. 

1. AI has not scaled down yet - but will by 2027 (think TinyML and more). 

2. Compute power needs a lot of energy moving post 2030 - that's not even in place yet (fission/fusion/nuclear). 

3. Battery storage is at all time high on tech - but not large enough for offline/offsite applications at large scale (also slate for post-2030 phasing). 

4. Space Race is actively ongoing - private and public (we realized humans suck at space, that's why AI / robotics). 

5. Rise and repeat. 

To segregate all the pricing out of this for GPU's will only follow what the market demands and unfortunately, because of the above assertions, I find it unlikely prices to ever come down any time soon. 

'Tis a new, rough, expensive era. 

IMHO ~ FWIW ~

This is my predicament... I have a 6800XT and primarily game at 1440p with occasional TV hookup for 4K (RDR2, etc). 

So while I don't actually need an upgrade... because this card blasts all I need for 1440p and don't really see RT as overly important... 

But that 4070Ti Super is looking MIGHTY fine at MSRP from Zotac. 

Jokes on you! 

Pentium 5 was released the same year they invented time travel. Realized it was too powerful for this timeline. 

Went back in time and put the chips on the voyager ships. Interstellar space now. And to think, some dumb alien is gonna get the Pentium 5 in their hands. 

All that power. What a waste. Stupid aliens. 

In my very humble opinion, the writing has been on the wall for several years now in regards to MS becoming an incredible giant in global industry. 

My take;

* Azure : federal, state, consumer, prosumer, industry

* Office & subsequent interconnection : teams, office 365, azure (again), copilot, OS 

* OS : federal, state, consumer, prosumer, industry

* Gaming : PC, PS (likely coming), Xbox, cloud, streaming, hosting

* Product : surface line & more

* Cloud : Azure (again), onedrive, office (again), federal, state, consumer, prosumer

And more and more and more... the list could keep going and all interconnected and reliant upon each other in some way, shape or form. 

Next lets consider this;

* AI : openAI plus all of the others

* Sciences, pharmaceutical, applied : foundations, links, support & Azure (again), private & government supplemented/marketed

*  Nuclear : literally obtaining permits to build reactors for self-hosted/contained/maintained power 

And more continues if you care to dive deeper with company concepts, trajectories and expansion. 

Seems to me like MS will once again be the absolute "King" of tech companies in a very, very short period of time. 

Especially when you couple the incoming advancements we'll get between now and 2026... 

In my opinion; at least. 

EDIT: 

Wanted to add - from my own perspective on MS, it's clear AMD fairs the same. Big growth IMHO from both companies very shortly, very soon. 

YES IT DOES OMG. lol 

Yep I think there's progress there.

Makes me wonder though - will we manifest sci-fi into realities, or will reality manifest into sci-fi?

I watched most of the video but I can't wrap my head around the actual usefulness of this device. 

But then again I might still be stuck in the 90's. Or 80's. 

Se La Vie, mis 2023.