Bones

I suugest using Mint since it's very much like Windows in how it is. I'm currently using Peppermint but believe it's a dead Linux version, the guy that was heading development for it passed away at the beginning of 2020 and there have been no new releases of it since. It really bites too since Peppermint is alot like Windows itself and it's a good version too.

I guess it woudn't hurt to represent Socket 939 while I'm livestreaming tomorrow. I'll try to remember about giving it a shot.

I've read the running arguements before about forced updates. If something is being forced, it's being forced. You, the user and owner of the machine has had the choice whether or not it happens taken away from you meaning you have had some control over your own machine taken from you. You can dress it up, put lipstick on it and it's still a pig because it is what it is underneath all that. I have followed this entire Win 10 debacle from the beginning and have seen alot of things along the way I knew was coming right from the start of Win 10. Promises of it being the last version - I already knew MS woudn't hold to that, esp when the option to not update was eliminated from the OS with later versions of it. Not too long ago, the thing about it being the last version also got snuffed. It's like MS speaks out of their mouth and then does the opposite of what they say. I still recall where I was working before having to retire the nightmares the IT guys had when Win 10, via it's forced updates decided it was time for another round of it. They had already had problems before with the equipment getting borked because of it, stopping production. I recall one particular time it was supposed to be an update that was going to change alot of things and take some time to even do because it was such a large update, forcing the equipment to be offline during this process. Well, you try explaining to the boss all that while he's livid over it because corporate is on his back about production being shut down - Good luck with that. And the IT guys coudn't do jack except deal with it. I solved all my Windows problems back when Win 10 first came out by switching to Linux and that's where I am now. No forced updates that changes/erases settings and preferences, nukes drivers for stuff and other assorted crap. I mean like it or not - Eversince Win 10 came out you, the user are the BETA tester for each and every update and change they make and that in turn means you get to deal with it. I'll keep control over my machine, not have these updates crashing my stuff, not have all the wonderful telemetry (Spying) that's baked in reporting directly to MS and other things. No OS is perfect and that includes Linux but for me it's been a better and a smoother experience than Win 10 has been for so many along the way. Only negative about it is gaming and even that is beginning to change these days.

Typically FX doesn't like temps under load past 63-65c, they tend to go nuts once you really start getting them hot. With the chip you have (FX-6100) on what appears to be stock cooling, eh..... 1.45-1.50v's max and that's being generous. You'll need better cooling to go further but you know that already. I'd try it at first with about 1.40v's, see how far it can go and just tweak it up from there. Normally FX responds well to voltage bumps anyway and that's why I say it in that way.

I do almost everything from air to Ln2 these days. Bones`s SuperPi - 1M score: 9sec 141ms with a FX-8320 Remember the 720 BE I had that was a good clocker? Still is. Bones`s SuperPi - 32M score: 11min 51sec 703ms with a Phenom II X3 720 BE Back on topic: The next time I have something setup I'll give CPU-Z a shot and see what I come up with.

May have to get in on this one day myself and see if I can compete with you guys or not.

That looks exactly like my 9600 Pro except it's a PCI slotted card. Was a good clocking card too but eventually cooked the card's VRAM so it now has artifacts all over the place when I use it. I'm really looking foward to seeing how the work I did will do once you get those setup and tested.

Not AMD related but is to soldering - The carnage from my latest livestream with Ln2 in use. Luckily it can be fixed since the PCB didn't get toasted. You could say this is a wittle project of my own I'll be working on.

Quick question - I'm not clear whether you mean a 20 pin ATX plug to a 24 pin power header OR a 24 pin ATX plug to a 20 pin power header. I know sometimes you can plug a 24 pin ATX plug into a 20 pin power header by letting the extra 4 pins simply "Hang" over to the side - It will still plug in and the system will work. However that can only work if you have the room next to the plug, some boards have components where the extra 4 pins would be making it impossible to plug it into the power header. Good call on the extra Molex cables.

Most of the time they can get away with it because the majority of people buying it don't know stuff like we do. I tend to check the seller's feedback AND how long they've been a member of fleabay (You'd be suprised at how many are "New" sellers) before buying or bidding on any item a seller has. Speaking of boards, currently baking a Crosshair in the oven to dry it out for some Ln2 action later. If this works to fix it's current issues about acting out I'll get some nice runs done. Don't worry guys - It's on the lowest setting the oven has (170f/83c) so it's not exceeding any thermal limits of the components. Gonna just let it sit for awhile and let the heat do it's thing.

At least it turned out ot be something simple to fix and not worry too much about.

And woudn't you just know it..... Now the A8N32 you wanted doesn't want to do anything. Swapped coolers on the chipsets like you wanted me to do and went to test and allow the TIM to burn in, and it's refusing to do jack. So far I've tried different CPU's, different GPU's in both slots, different RAM sticks and even a different PSU - None of that made any difference. I guess the thing to do here is swap those coolers back and try the other one. Since the other board (Premium) was working when boxed I'm not touching it or the Socket A. If the caps on the Socket A was the only problem it had that one should be OK as is. Wish I could have tested it but since the PSU I have for those has vanished I wasn't able to. EDIT: And just figured out the problem with it. Pio, you did say you "Bent" this board at one point and that's probrably what's causing the issue I was having. The CPU itself goes in the socket just fine BUT not fully. After removing the CPU cooler to tear down the setup so I could swap chipset coolers I noted one side of the CPU wasn't all the way down or flat with the socket itself like it should be. Pressed down, it went down some more and settled in like it's supposed to so I set it all back up and now it's working again. Letting the TIM get warm to settle it in and check temps ATM and at least I did get it going again.

At least now you have options for what to use. Can say you're set for whatever you want in a 939 setup, I believe any of the three can be used without alot of worry. I did note the 32 without the Asus logo plate seemed to run hotter than the other one did, I let them sit and run for a few minutes and didn't have any problems with either one cutting off. The Socket A board will hopefully work and do well, set brand new caps in it and included an XP-2500 chip for you. If the Pally is dead it still has two pads you can rob off of it by use of acetone, that will make them come loose and after drying out you can re-glue those onto another chip. I'll make a shipping label and get the box ready to go sometime tomorrow.

Final Update: Caps are done in the AV7, replaced the bad ones and all else looks OK with it. Unfortunately I coudn't test it because I can't find the PSU I can use with it, the power plug/header is turned the wrong way for me to use a 24 pin connector instead. Caps are done and snuck in a little something you'll like Pio due to the questionable status of the CPU. Didn't have any dead chips to rob pads from (Just remembered I cleaned those out last year so none left to rob) so did this instead and it's an improvement over what is in it now. @pioneerisloud Didn't get a chance to setup an OS due to time constraints but I believe they are OK, just let me know how they do when you test them yourself. All done that I know of and will send it back to the addy on the label tomorrow.

Update #2: Got the Premium done, it's working AND the other 32 works too. Both 32's do work with a card in the first slot. I did find three caps around this slot on the other 32 that looked as if someone had mashed the tops down to disguise them from being bad but I caught those and replaced them. So, ATM all 3 939's are working and I'm moving on to the last board. May have to finish that one tomorrow if I run out of time but it's all good.

So far: Looks like we've got a live one here. I believe this is the one you said was dead but it's not. The difference from the pics you posted is this one still has the little Asus logo plate on it's chipset cooler, the one you said was good does not. The GPU works fine in the first slot and all that as shown here. I haven't tried it with an OS since I'm still evaluating things here but so far so good. I've also done the caps on the Premium and that was a PITA, everything came out OK but getting the replacements in was the trick. Will test fire that board after I'm done going over this one. Then it's on to the other 32 and see what's up with it.

The boards arrived safely this morning and I should get on these sometime today. The Socket A is as expected and I can "Fix" the CPU's missing pads, I've got a few dead chips with donor pads I can use and if the chip itself is good that will take care of it and if not I'll set you up with a working chip, what you sent is an XP 2000 Pally (Palomino). I have some good T-Breds here and if I have to replace it I'll set you up with one of those since a Pally isn't exactly the most reliable chip, kinda delicate TBH but the T-Bred's tend to do much better overall and yes, you can OC those without too much worry vs a Pally. So far: After a quick look-over I can tell two should be OK aside from the needed recapping, will do that and test to be sure of it. The two 32's I'll need to clean and test first and then see what I can do there. In fact I'll clean all of them anyway and maybe if I can get three out of the four going you'll be set. The one you say may have broken traces I'll consider as being "For Parts" (For now) and will use it for that if I have to, but if not I'll see about getting it going or at least give it a shot. My real objective is of course to see if I can't get both running, that would be great if I can. Good thing right now is I've got a dead DFI NF2 Infinity with the required caps that's good and can be used for the SLI board. The mfu value is a tad off (850mfu in the SLI, 1000mfu in the DFI) but those are close enough it will work and these are the right voltage (6.3v). Once I get started I will update things as the work progresses. May not get them ready so quickly but will proceed as time and conditions allow for, including what I run into with these as I go.

All I can add is I'm not using it, switched to Linux when Win 10 came out and glad I did. Thing is with the way 10 and 11 are being done you, the user will always be a BETA tester. I can't begin to count all the threads about how an update broke the machine, erased settings, changed preferences..... I mean the list goes on and on with it. Some options you did have are no longer available like when it does updates for example, I still recall after Win 10 came out and things started breaking the guys in the IT dept where I used to work were scrambling to STOP the machines from updating because of all the issues just from it updating. They didn't want any problems nor did they have the time to deal with those because if those machines were down, production itself was screwed until they could fix it. Try telling the boss an update broke everything - I'm sure he'll understand (NOT) because corporate would have been after him over it. This lack of control over one's machine (To me) was one of the big things why I ditched Windows in the first place and now with Win 11 it's even worse. No need to go back over all the "Requirements" MS set in place for Win 11 - Not going there and frankly I don't have the $$ to buy all brandnew hardware JUST to run Win 11. And that's not all but hey - You guys already know yourselves how the rollout went, what was said and changed, then more or less fudged right back to how they had it in the first place. With what came to light back when Win 10 first appeared, I saw these things coming from a mile away and switched over to Linux then. I still run Win 7 sometimes and it does just fine even now. Win 11 from what I've seen is just a more convoluted "Cluster" of it done in the same way and that is why I'm on Linux and ain't going back.

I know there is one I can fix for sure, another that's highly possible to fix too at the very least and the rest will depend on what I see in person. Since it's cold weather I don't know how quickly I can turn these around, the work area I've got has no heat and I'm not freezing my butt off over it. Hate the cold and it hurts in the literal sense of it, esp in the knees and fingers in general. However will get these done ASAP and TBH it shouldn't take very long once I get going.

Just let me know when and we'll go from there.

I'll have to check that guy out - If there are enough of us seeing what they've done as a cheat they'll get it but good, that I can promise you. However we all know the bot isn't exactly "Good" about taking care of things properly either, just how it is. Some can slide all day, others get nickeled and dimed to death. Be aware ANY form of chilled water automatically places you in the "Apprentice" league, be it slush box or any other - Only ambient temp water setups are considered as "Enthusiast" or lower in class. Be sure to read up on all the class requirements before you find yourself going up against the apprentice guys because some of those can kick some serious butt when they want to. Also know in time you will move up to "Novice" (6 months) and then "Enthusiast" (1 year) and that's across the board for everyone.

I have a bag full of 3.6V 3300mfu caps and that's useful for the Socket A boards. Two I'm seeing definitely need some caps replaced, one doesn't look bad but then again I'm not there looking at them. The SLI has three I'm seeing in need (6.3V 850mfu) and I believe I got those here. The 32 SLI doesn't look to have any that's bad but again, I'm not there in person to look. As long as a cap looks flat I'm not bothering it but if it even has a hint of swelling, may as well deal and be done with it. As for the board you say has broken traces, I can look at that and if it's not too bad I can take a crack at that one and see if I can't "Frankenstein" it for you. No promises but at this point with it's condition I don't see why not.

Lemmie see some pics so I can see if I've got what I need and we can go from there.

Well, here's my project that's in progress. 64 Falcon Sprint Convertible with the 260 V8, 2-speed auto trans (Ford-O-Matic). She's rough but more than worth fixing back up. Not too many of these were made in 64 (4278 total) and as an FYI, the 65's are extremely rare if you ever see or even find one, only 300 Convertible Sprints were ever made in that year. This particular one is a rarity in itself for two reasons. One is the vast majority of Sprints came with the more sporty options like bucket seats and factory floor shifter, this one is an originally equipped column shift and came with the 50/50 bench seat too, only 626 Sprints were outfitted with the bench seat. The other thing is it's what's called a "Triple Black" car meaning the paint, interior and top were all black from the factory - One source says only 50 like that were ever made out of all Sprints period, not just for the 64 year model itself. Will have to dig really deep to comfirm that as for all period or for the year model run but since this one was originally optioned both ways it's definitely an odd bird. The Warranty VIN, matches the VIN numbers under the hood so I know it's a 100% genuine Sprint and the dataplate shows all these options as being what it came with confirming all the above. And yes, the original engine is still there and even after sitting wherever it had been all these years it still runs fairly good too. Engine test run Work is proceeding slowly (Like frozen molasses) but it's getting there.

Thanks for the welcome. Between the two of us there is no keeping either in line TBH.