Mr. Fox

Sorry I am just now getting caught up on things. Really good review. Sad that it wasn't good news for CM this time, but you win some, lose some.

You did a nice job on the review and it was an deserving report of mediocrity. 

On 15/03/2023 at 14:58, Barefooter said:

Yes nice review for sure @Mr. Fox 

 

I like the side facing ports.  Not often you see a new concept like that in the PC world.

 

That power supply would work great for many of the Case Labs cases or other wide cases, however it seems like there are many cases that just won't have the room without bending the wires too much.

Thank you. Other than my 5000D Airflow example, where I see it working extremely well is a case where the PSU is stood up on the narrow side with the fan blowing out the side panel (one popular example being the Lian Li 011/011 XL). The ports would be pointing toward the roof of the case. 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/90902010

23 hours ago, iamjanco said:

A review well done,  @Mr. Fox   really enjoyed that read 

Thanks, bro. Glad you enjoyed it.

1 hour ago, Sir Beregond said:

Such an interesting concept moving the modular ports. Its always been one of those things building where its hard to plug some things in (or anything in depending on case design) once the PSU is installed. Here it doesn't matter.

 

Another great PSU review Mr. Fox.

Thank you. I appreciate the kind words. Yes the lay out with the ports on the side is wonderful if your PSU has enough space around it. I really like it. I also really like the flat cables versus the round bundle in a sleeve.

I really like this PSU. I've been punishing it with severe 4090, 3090 Kingpin and now 6900 XT and CPU overclocks and it hasn't missed a beat.

42 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

...you are getting there !

FYI, my stock Giga-G-OC backplate actually had a soft thermal pad on the back of the GPU die. When I w-cooled it with a custom backplate that came with the kit, I used a wallop of thermal putty on the back of the GPU die, then also mounted a huge heatsink...seems to work well, judging by the temps, even at elevated PL via MPT.

 

 

 

 

Yeah that looks great. If the hotspot temps are still high I may try that. I added a thermal pad on the backplate side directly over the die area.

I am not even sure if the hotspot readings are accurate. Before installing the backplate, I used an infrared thermometer and with the GPU loaded full tile nothing measured over 50°C anywhere, yet the hotspot still showed 90°C. That's why I am thinking the reading may be wrong.

But, I got the screws and now the backplate is installed. Time to do a bit of quick studying and get cracking the firmware tweaking.

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So, got the block installed. The kit did not have screws for the backplate (had short screws for naked installation). Screws should be here from Amazon in the next hour or so. I am hoping having pads behind the core will help hotspot temps (still quite high, but better). Have not touched the firmware yet. Will dive into MPT later today or tomorrow, once I get the temps as good as I can get them without the chiller.  It will get better, as it is hitting the power limit and remaining there throughout all of the graphics tests. Totally maxed out with the stock firmware limits and can't do much more until I raise the limits.

https://hwbot.org/submission/5222705_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/90656314#

4 hours ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

 

You have no idea how much I love reading your rants about things like this, as I can relate. I just hate any software where they invested more time into making it look good rather than making it work properly.
Give me software like the ASUS APEX Tool or HOF_NVVDD, not some useless fancy looking AMD or iQue software

Heck, I wouldn't mind if my windows looked like XP and would be as lightweight with just the options I need for it to function. No, instead I'm spending hours on stripping an installation for it to not use loads of memory right after installation with all the crap they force down our throats..

 

(opened it on the main for Screeny)

 

/rant 

 

Have fun with the 6900XT @Mr. Fox, I'm still waiting for them to become real cheap and have some fun on cold water maybe
 

Thank you. Glad you enjoy it.

38 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

I can identify with not wanting huge, spiffy control packages that just slow things down and are full of 'negative options' in the default settings. But these are the days we live in > this is how various firms generate 'big data' whether used for good or bad. Typically, one can disable much of the superfluous features, but it takes a while to learn each vendor's default layout and hidden menus ( at you AMD in particular). The much thinner clients applets are often reserved for HWBoters and you have to chase them down - or buy s.th. like a Galax HOF.  In addition, there were also 'normal looking' oc tools such as special version of Asus GPU Tweak which when matched with a certain card and vbios magically opened up other options, such as VRAM voltage control.

 

In days gone by, MSI AB + s.th. like EVBot was really all I needed...EVBot had/has the advantage that you can adjust things like core and vram voltages on the fly, ie. for certain spots within 3DM Firestrike or Time Spy.

 

@Mr. Fox ...when revisiting your 6900XT screenies above, there's some good news in there - seems your card does 1.2V natively at times, which would mean it could be an XTXH and should have more headroom once MPT_ized (which works with most versions anyhow). Perhaps run a Superposition 4K or 8K with HWInfo open and max oc settings to take another look.

 

 

 

That is good news. I can manually set 1.200V and it stays there and never moves. And, I need some good news because right now I am disappointed to a degree... about two things.

First, the AMD driver tweak tool doesn't seem to remove any garbage. It merely provides an alternative way of installing the driver with a couple of tweaks. All of the worthless trash is still there. So, I have to figure out a way of killing the processes and services so they stay dead unless I manually trigger them intentionally, instead of immediately restarting. I wish AMD had a Control Panel that was not DCH/UWP trash for W10/11. Seems like they do not. I will try the oldest available driver for 6900 XT and see if it has been that way since day 1. It sucks that all of the hardware OEMs muppets are kissing Micro$lop's butt like this.

On a much sadder note, it appears the firmware on this 6900 XT is incompatible with Windows 7. I have spent hours trying to make it work. (Literally stayed up all night trying to get it to work, took a shower and started work.) I tried a half dozen Windows 7 Macrium Reflect images, manually changed to a few different bootx64.efi files (including a custom one that allows pure UEFI mode for Windows 7) and even tried a clean install. 100% failure on all attempts. Windows 7 setup refuses to run with the 6900 XT installed. Tried USB and DVD... both the same. It hangs before it reaches the first screen of the setup GUI. If I put the NVIDIA GPU back in it boots right up like normal. So, it has to be the AMD firmware.

The GPU is not bootable in CSM mode (Windows 7 freezes at boot CSM with enabled, which is the exact opposite of the expected behavior) and in UEFI mode (CSM disabled) Windows boots fine and the driver installs but the GPU has code 12 (no available resources/resource conflicts). Coincidentally, this is the same issue I had with 4090... exactly. I was able to mod a driver, but same code 12 and same freezing behavior. So, that really sucks.

Maybe I can find an older 6900 XT vBIOS that has CSM support. I hope so. Being able to use Windows 7 was one of the things that I was looking forward to. Benching is a lot less fun if you are stuck being forced to the newer cancer OSes that ruin CPU performance.

16 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

... @The Pook 's suggestion may work. Since the 6900XT is in my workhorse machine (4090 above is in the gamer), I only sporadically bench it. There are a few settings in the AMD driver you should definitely disable though, including the initial overlay that appears on the top right when 3D kicks in, as well as various reporting functions, which all eat up fps (for AMD's AI collection...). 

 

EDIT - saw your subsequent post, now I learned something 

 

 

Yeah, that gosh-awful overlay thing... talking about being OD'd on stupid... makes me want to punch somebody... real bad. The GPU hotspot scores are absolutely ludicrous. I can see why people are scared to get too crazy with the overclocking if they are trying to cool this on air. My office is 77°F (25°C) which certainly doesn't help.

OK, here are stock baseline scores. Now that we have that out of the way... Onward and upward!  GPU block and chilled water... better things ahead!

https://www.3dmark.com/sw/402677

https://www.3dmark.com/pr/2200869

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/36499097

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/36499182

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/29680529

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/29680529

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/29680591

https://www.3dmark.com/wl/279366

https://www.3dmark.com/wl/279367

https://www.3dmark.com/nr/854599

https://www.3dmark.com/sd/6394414

https://www.3dmark.com/cg/4961958

https://www.3dmark.com/is/4931053

https://www.3dmark.com/is/4931054

I think I found it.

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4 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

 

Thanks gents !  

 

Here is my X570 / 3950X oldie workhorse Geekbench for CPU

 

Hey bro. I have the 6900 XT. Do you or @pioneerisloudknow of any AMD driver mods or tool to mod the driver that gives you basic control panel access without the worthless payload of garbage?

I use NVCleanStall to strip out all of the useless trash that the Green Goblin packs into the GeFarts drivers (like GeFarts Experience and what not). I'm really not liking this gamerboy rubbish included in the Adrenaline "Pro" malware.

Ok... Here 'tis kidz.

I find it really difficult to get excited about smartphones. I think they call them that because they make the people that love them extra dumb. I really don't like them very much. The only value I typically find in them is the role they serve as a camera on the go. I think they are a real detriment in the grand scheme of things, and a tool that governments use for nefarious purposes probably more than we realize. They are an always-on tracking device and only a fool would believe they aren't being used for surveillance of the users.

I will install GB6 and post a score so the data will be available. I don't really care if the score is good or not. 

1 hour ago, pioneerisloud said:

No I have not.  That might actually give me that little extra 5-10% performance I need at my res, but my card's hotspot gets stupid hot as is and makes me nervous.

I am hoping having it blocked on chilled water will be enough to let me get crazy with it. I haven't done anything with Red cards for so long that I am a bit rusty and out of my element.

On 04/03/2023 at 00:29, pioneerisloud said:

Main Rig - 5800x with PBO / DDR4-3800 @ 16-17-16 / RX 6900XT @ 2.6GHz

Have you tried tinkering with the 6900 XT voltage or power limits using RBE and MorePower tools? I am going to be dipping my toe into that and curious if the red cards are fragile or easy to brick, or if they can take a lot of firmware modding without issue.

Here are my poopalicious GB6 scores with my Precision 7720 turdbook.

CPUx1: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/409416 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5218152_
CPUx4: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/409416 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5218151_
NVGPU: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/compute/155841 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5218157_
iGFX : https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/compute/155857 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5218160_

8 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

You can download > Geekbench-6 here

A good friend of mine shipped me his spare 6900 XT and a GPU block that he never installed so I can have something to play with while I decide if or when I am going to replace my second 4090. Once that gets here, I will do a stock run before I start probing the edge of functionality for that GPU. I haven't owned a Team Red GPU that I have been happy with since the ATi Radeon HD 5870 (threw in the towel for good around 7970 and started wasting my money in the Green Goblin's lair). So, this will be an interesting experiment.

I hope the short time I spent with a 4090 Suprim X that I loved and a Strix 4090 that sucked in comparison didn't ruin me forever. Maybe this 6900 XT experiment will distract me until 4090 Ti drops.

Am I just getting old and not remembering, or did Geekbench suddenly become idiotically expensive with version 6? I don't remember what I paid for GB5 (will have to scan my email archive to find it) but $99 for a benchmark seems ludicrous.

https://hwbot.org/submission/5216229_ |  https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/90141500

Well, my shunt-modded 3060 Ti FTW3 on chilled water just took 3rd place from buildzoid's 3060 Ti on LN2.

https://hwbot.org/submission/5216196_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/90137564#

Problem solved... no Strix 4090 replacement available, so it was refunded. No ASUS QC roulette required. Equal and better options are available for $200-$300 dollars less. At this point, I might just wait for 4090 Ti to drop and reassess the options at that point.

On 25/02/2023 at 10:48, UltraMega said:

If the US stopped trading with China, it would hurt China a lot more than it would hurt the US. China can't grow enough rice for its own population. They simply cannot afford an incident like this. 

Probably  a really excellent reason that we should. It would mean doing without some things, but I think it would be worth it based on the expected outcome.

11 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

...your GPU's serial number should unkey to the production date, but your would need Asus customer service assistance to do it...

 

...Yeston GPUs are so far beyond weird-looking that they almost qualify for cute (if you're 11 years old...). The Galax HOF OCL actually have the nicest-looking and performing PCB, but their oddly ornamented cooler and accessories with crowns everywhere look like graffiti (IMO) on it. The special Galax HOF OCL versions hold most of the Firestrike and Timespy HWBot records, though. I know someone in the US who always gets the latest Galax HOF, but he mods them anyway, so the RMA 'process' is mostly irrelevant to him. He just ordered the Bykski block for the Galax 4090 HOF (afaik, the only Galax 4090 HOF waterblock) and that cleans up the appearance.  

 

...have you ever heard of Kudan ? They make the others, including Galax and Asus Strix, look cheap (see inserted prices for previous versions, 4090 was just announced recently)...

 

I have heard of Colorful, of course, but not their "Kudan" product line. Those are some very sweet-looking steampunk designs they have. If they are of equal caliber to the Kingpin and Galax HOF OCL GPUs in terms of extreme overclocking capabilities, I am surprised that I have not heard of them. Perhaps it is because they are very limited availability and primarily focused on striking aesthetics?? Those design visuals would perfectly compliment the latest@iamjancoproject.

I really cannot relate to the extreme tackiness that has become so popular. That is probably both cultural and generational, but those Kundan GPUs are proof that good taste still exists. I will probably never have the privilege of owning a Galax HOF OCL video card. I would love to have one, but I have always thought their products were aesthetically hideous and tacky-looking.

7 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

What is the core oc'ing like on your 4090 Strix OC ? I know someone else who just got a new Strix a few days ago (store-bought afaik) and his core-oc is 'decent' but not special, though VRAM oc is among the best I have ever seen (close to +2000). I wonder if the one you got was older stock. 

 

Don't get me wrong re. the table above, TPU is among my fav trusted sources - but they won't have more than a few samples to work with, and early 4090s were all over the place. My water-cooled Giga-G-OC for example benches at up to 3.24 G core at ambient temps. VRAM at +1540 as long as it is warmed up, and some weird memory holes above that (+1702 works, but not less or more). I do think though that Micron GDDR6X 2GB chip VRAM has been getting better with more recent samples which is why I wonder about the production date of your card.

 

FYI, overall, my experience with Asus has been mostly positive with top-end mobos and GPUs, exception being the X99 gen which had some wild early bios voltages for VCCSA that liked to kill CPUs (they fixed that later on). I had one major GPU RMA experience with Asus which they handled really well, ditto for MSI.

Core overclocking is decent enough. About the same as the Suprim. Holds 3000 in benchmarks with ambient cooling, so it's only the crappy memory overclocking. If it is old stock, it spent time somewhere else before it got to NewEgg. I can't see anything that tells me when it was made. The vBIOS release date is 10/12/2022, but that only tells us how old the firmware is.

It is really unfortunate that the GPU AIB partners are charging exhoribitant prices for subpar garbage wearing a flagship label. If the Strix was $1500-$1600 like a Cracker Jack gamer-wuss GPU there would be no basis to complain. Considering it is only outpriced by the Galax HOF OC Lab (that we can't even buy in the US) they should be binning and cherry-picking core and memory to justify the asinine price. Had it matched or beat the Sumprim, I would not have complained about getting screwed. I'd be content. With the RGB turned off it looks nice and it is built like a flagship in terms of construction.

With the RGB turned on it looks like it belongs at a circus or carnival. But, ugly is the new modern. The Galax HOF OC Lab 4090 is among the ugliest I have seen, except for those extra-ugly and ridiculous Yeston GPUs... those take the cake on disgusting aesthetics.