Mr. Fox

Fantastic review @Sir Beregond. Great photos, thorough analysis and top notch work overall. I love be quiet! stuff. They are really good at what they do and it shows in their product quality.

Cooler Master products seem to be getting better, while some of the other brands that have been more popular are trending in the opposite direction. From the test results in the review this AIO performs quite well.

Excellent review, Brother @RageSet. Very professional, thorough and enjoyable.  

13 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

Very nice, was this on the Z690 Dark or the Z790 Apex?

Thank you. That was on the Apex. The Z690 Dark is in the be quiet! Dark Base Pro 901 paired with the 6900 XT. I am debating whether to replace the 6900 XT with a 4080 Ti or 4090.  The Z690 Dark has no problem keeping pace with the Z790 Apex in terms of CPU and memory overclocking, and it is a notably better product in several ways, but the 6900 XT leaves a lot to be desired. 

I don't game a ton, but when I do it is often a benchmarking venture to see what I can get away with. I played BF 2042 for a couple of hours today to test my system "game stability" with the CPU and memory overclock. Buttery smooth with maxed out settings at 4K and the 4090 stock. CPU set for P-Cores 60x8, E-Cores 48x16, Cache 50x and memory at 8000 CL34-48-48-48-2T.

Fantastic job on their review for both components, Brother @Fluxmaven. I enjoyed the read and the photos. 

On 19/09/2023 at 01:41, schuck6566 said:

 

I just discovered and read through the review. Really nice write-up, bro. I like the way these modules look. They are sort of a new and improved version of the similar Vengeance DDR5 kit that I reviewed that had Samsung ICs. The Hynix M-die is much better.

I have to use static voltage or Cinebench 2024 closes or stops responding using my otherwise bench-stable settings with adaptive voltage.

CPU: https://hwbot.org/submission/5351245_ | GPU: https://hwbot.org/submission/5351246_

1 hour ago, pioneerisloud said:

Read the full review HERE

Well done, bro. Very good review. I enjoyed the read and the photos. 

It must be hot off the press because I did not see a thumbnail for it yet on the forum home page. I merely saw it at the top of the "Latest Reviews" list.

39 minutes ago, Avacado said:

More of this please.

Amen to that! 

I finally decided to stop procrastinating about popping the lid of the 13900K that I bought on OC.net to replace the one that died. Previous core max was 97°C in Cinebench R23 at 57xP, 45xE, 49xC and delidded bare die core max is now 76°C. I just love the Dark Base Pro 901. It is the perfect compliment to the Z690 Dark mobo.

Very good review. Nice job, bro.

Looks like an excellent Gen5 NVMe option. Quite the fancy heat sink on it. I am assuming you use the slot closest to the CPU, above the GPU on your MSI Meg ACE X670E. Did you have plenty of clearance for the GPU with that big NVMe heat sink, or was it a tight fit there?

Thanks, guys. 

34 minutes ago, Avacado said:

This is manual 5.8/4.6Ghz. GPU PL @133%, everything else is stock. No custom vBIOS

 

 

If you run it 15 or 20 times back-to-back you will probably get a score similar to mine. It helped reduce the variance to download and install the latest Vulkan runtime. That kept my low scores from being as low and tightened the range of erratic scores.

8 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

I like Solar Bay, also because it is using the Vulkan 1.1 API - the more apps use it, the better, for a variety of reasons. Being on ambient water and using an older 5950X does put some upper limits on for my setup though. FYI, a lot of folks at 3DM Solar Bay HOF have started using sub-ambient cooling (ie. chiller) on their Intel 13900s in combination with the Asus 4090 XOC 1000 W vbios (no safeties). I have that vbios but have not flashed it so far as I am not on sub-ambient or sub-zero; plus I'm quite happy with my latest score, using the 'regular' Galax HOF vbios on my G-G-OC card.

 

In any event, I expect the LN2 crowd to make their entry soon (LN2 on both CPU and GPU) and dominate HOF. Perhaps Splave or so will use it to set some Solar Bay records coinciding with the upcoming release of the Asus 4090 Matrix Platinum...then folks with the Galax 4090 HOF OCL will play their 2x 12VHPWR strengths, and so it goes...off to the races, get the popcorn   

I use the 1000W vBIOS exclusively. It produces better results than the 666W Galax vBIOS, which isn't really any better than my stock Suprim firmware in terms of benching.

My best results included use of the chiller, but still took a dozen runs to get one bugged enough to make the top 10. Most of the scores higher than mine have higher temperatures and lower overclocks, which is one of the telltale signs of erroneous results. That is why HWBOT is requiring ECC to be enabled for 3DMark. UL is not excluding erroneous results from validation or HOF ranking.

I agree about Vulkan. I am all for helping it be successful. I do not like DX12 or Micro$lop, so an alternative is important.

I was able to get it to run with RTSS/OSD by manipulating settings in RTSS. I am not running it because it lowers benchmark scores, but I was at least able to get it to stop crashing with RTSS running.

My honest opinion is this benchmark just isn't ready for prime time and it is extremely unreliable and flawed. This result is not related to tuning so much as running the benchmark enough times that it eventually pukes up an abnormally high score. Looks like this is the best score I am going to get until I have time to run the benchmark another 20 or 30 times until it calculates a higher score. I am seeing 2500-3500 3DMark points variance between runs without changing any settings. I have also tried two versions of Windows 10 (LTSC 2019 and LTSC 2021) and three versions of Windows 11 (one totally stock with all of the cancer and two mods with Micro$lop trash exorcised) and it doesn't matter how many processes or services are running in terms of benchmark results. I am still seeing lots of illogically inflated results in the HOF with people running the same hardware (CPU, mobo, drivers and vBIOS) with lower overclocks. If I lower my overclock to match the illogically high results, my scores are like 3000-4000 points lower than their reported clocks depending on how many times I re-run it.

https://www.3dmark.com/sb/25014

Wild Variance (Same OC values) https://www.3dmark.com/compare/sb/25019/sb/25014#

I generally avoid buying anything from HP or Dell other than their business-class notebooks (Precision and Elitebook turdbooks) and I avoid throwing money away on disposable laptop garbage in general to the greatest extent possible. I recommend desktops over laptops to anyone that asks, and I agree with the advice to avoid HP inkjet printers. I stopped buying HP inkjets around 2005 as well. Glad to see they might be getting what they deserve for selling rubbish. Their consumer desktops are also garbage, unfortunately. They did not used to be. Once upon a time they were a fairly decent brand.

I switched to Epson Workforce printers (my last one held up for more ten years) and I replaced that one with an ET-3850 EcoTank. EcoTank seems like the way to go. No complaints so far. It does a nice job and holds a ton if inexpensive ink.

5 minutes ago, ENTERPRISE said:

The video section does not pick up videos posted in other areas automatically, you have to manually submit videos to the relevant sections

Awesome, thank you. I must have posted those two old videos a long time ago and forgotten. When this thread started I assumed we were speaking about a thread or a sub-forum and I looked everywhere in the forums/sub-forums and could not find anything until @Avacadopointed out the link at the top or the page labeled "Videos" that I had not explored.

2 minutes ago, Avacado said:

This is an @ENTERPRISE question, but I assume it would remain in the category you posted and have to be moved by a moderator if placed in the wrong area.

Perhaps I did not present the question clearly. Maybe I did place it in the correct spot, in a relevant discussion. In that case it does not show up in the member content thread, correct? Only where it was posted and you would need to repost it as "member content" deliberately. Right? I don't remember posting the old Z490 and Z590 videos is why I ask. I probably did and simply forgot doing it.

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Read the full review HERE

1 hour ago, Avacado said:

Is this what you are looking for?

 

Yes it is. Thank you so much. I was looking for a forum/subforum and could not identify one. I did not notice the word "Videos" in the links at the top. I am used to looking for content in a list of sub-forums and threads for content I have not seen. I am frequently stumbling on things by accident that I never knew existed even though I look was forums and sub-forum often. I find this same challenge in other forums that use the same software and often never see things in those forums as well.

If you post a video in another thread does it appear under Member Content, or the only way it gets there is to go to the Member Content and post it?

On 03/08/2023 at 18:29, Mr. Fox said:

I didn't know we had a place for that. I might post some of my videos as long as there's a proper category for them.

Maybe I am blind, but I can't find a subforum for this. Only this https://extremehw.net/video/browse/1-ehw-podcasts/ and it is not obvious how to post a user-created video. It looks like only podcasts and not user created video content. Is there another subforum that I am not identifying?

2 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

I don't know. MX-5 was extremely thick and that was the worst paste I have used for pump out. I see why Arctic EOL'd it.

 

I've been using MX-6 for a bit, and just ordered some KPx to try it.

 

As for the bolded, I think you are correct, hence the "kryo".

Oh that's too funny. I just ordered some MX-6 to test to compare against the KPx I've been using for so long. KPx is better than MX-4 by a couple of degrees, but I'm curious how it will compare to the MX-6. If MX-6 at least matches KPx that will be good because it is a lot cheaper.

I have not yet delidded the 13900K that I purchased as a replacement for the one that mysteriously stopped working and I want to test them against one another on a virgin CPU before I delid.

The Velocity2 block is really good. Mine was impressive. It matched the performance of my Optimus block, and I love how it looks. The Velocity2 bare die block was terrible, however. My bare die temps were the same as using the IHS.

3 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

Thanks for that. Given the "hydro" in the name, was wondering if it was supposed to be better for watercooling or something. 

 

I tried the old Kryonaut a few times and while I was impressed with the performance, I was less than impressed with the longevity of the paste. Usually needed to be redone annually. Anyway, sorry for my digression of the topic. The included accessories (the TIM) got me wondering. 

Same experience here. Worked fantastic at first, but not that durable long term. I think the question was relevant given the kit included Hydronaut. I also think @ENTERPRISEwas smart for using the Kryonaut Extreme rather than the included Hydronaut. Hydronaut is not silicon-based. Fans of it say it spreads easier that Kryonaut, which make no sense to me at all because I never thought it was difficult to spread. If anything, I think it was too soft and very easy to spread and, therefore,  was more conducive to pump-out than some of the competing products that were thicker.

I think Kryonaut was better suited to sub-zero cooling (LN2, DICE, etc.) because it was not subject to freezing or hardening at the extreme low temperature and Hydronaut was not good for sub-zero.