techspot EU adopts Digital Markets Act, possibly forcing Apple to allow sideloading

[UltraMega]

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Between the two, the DMA is probably the more important for platform holders like Google and Apple. It will require "gatekeepers" like them to let EU users install apps from outside official app stores, easily uninstall pre-installed software, or easily unsubscribe from core services. The law also includes other protections for third-party developers and consumers regarding data, advertising, and payment systems.

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EU adopts Digital Markets Act, possibly forcing Apple to allow sideloading

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The European Commission adopted the Digital Markets Act (DMA) and the Digital Services Act (DSA) this week...

 

I hope this kind of thing gets adopted everywhere. 

 

 

[bonami2]

Ah damn never going to happen in canada.  

[Diffident]

I don't know why they always mention Google in articles related to side loading and third party stores when both are available on Android. 

[UltraMega]

  On 07/07/2022 at 23:15, Diffident said:

I don't know why they always mention Google in articles related to side loading and third party stores when both are available on Android. 

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I think the part that pertains to google is the part about removing preinstalled apps. 

[Diffident]

  On 08/07/2022 at 00:16, UltraMega said:

I think the part that pertains to google is the part about removing preinstalled apps. 

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That's hard to do when one app can be a dependency of another, like on Windows, you can't uninstall file explorer without breaking the system.  The best thing is to nuke the OS and install a degoogled ROM.

[UltraMega]

  On 08/07/2022 at 02:11, Diffident said:

 

That's hard to do when one app can be a dependency of another, like on Windows, you can't uninstall file explorer without breaking the system.  The best thing is to nuke the OS and install a degoogled ROM.

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They're not worried about things like file explorer or parts of the OS, they're worried about stuff like atnt apps that can't be removed even on an unlocked phone. If you buy a PC that comes with pre-installed apps like Norton or Dell whatever, you can remove them. It's a simple concept. 

Edited July 8, 2022 by UltraMega

[Diffident]

  On 08/07/2022 at 03:42, UltraMega said:

They're not worried about things like file explorer or parts of the OS, they're worried about stuff like atnt apps that can't be removed even on an unlocked phone. If you buy a PC that comes with pre-installed apps like Norton or Dell whatever, you can remove them. It's a simple concept. 

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I guess I've never had a phone that had non-OS apps installed.  I've always had Google branded phones with vanilla Android, which is ironic that they're the easiest to degoogle.   The problem seems to be more with phone carriers and manufacturers, not Google.

[UltraMega]

  On 08/07/2022 at 09:29, Diffident said:

 

I guess I've never had a phone that had non-OS apps installed.  I've always had Google branded phones with vanilla Android, which is ironic that they're the easiest to degoogle.   The problem seems to be more with phone carriers and manufacturers, not Google.

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Google designed the OS that doesn't give users the option to remove certain apps. 

 

Seems like a google issue to me, but the blame can be shared. 

[Sir Beregond]

  On 07/07/2022 at 12:53, UltraMega said:

EU adopts Digital Markets Act, possibly forcing Apple to allow sideloading

WWW.TECHSPOT.COM

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The European Commission adopted the Digital Markets Act (DMA) and the Digital Services Act (DSA) this week...

 

I hope this kind of thing gets adopted everywhere. 

 

 

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Sure, this sounds fine and dandy until you look more into it. Here's another article regarding this:

 

Digital Services: landmark rules adopted for a safer, open online environment | News | European Parliament

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The new EU digital rulebook sets out unprecedented standards on the accountability of online companies, within an open and competitive digital market.

 

I'll point to a couple of the points raised here.

 

 

You know what's illegal in some European countries? Criticizing government and/or politicians. Take a look at Germany.

 

Looking at the actual law (for DSA anyway), here's some more troubling points.

 

 

So the government doesn't like something you said and can go ahead and request (and the service providers are legally obligated to provide) your information. Your ability to redress is only after they have already gotten your info.

 

And many more troubling points. Yeah this seems pretty draconian to me.

 

I certainly hope this kind of thing does NOT get adopted everywhere.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 8, 2022 by Sir Beregond

[UltraMega]

  On 08/07/2022 at 17:22, Sir Beregond said:

Sure, this sounds fine and dandy until you look more into it. Here's another article regarding this:

 

Digital Services: landmark rules adopted for a safer, open online environment | News | European Parliament

WWW.EUROPARL.EUROPA.EU

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The new EU digital rulebook sets out unprecedented standards on the accountability of online companies, within an open and competitive digital market.

 

I'll point to a couple of the points raised here.

 

 

You know what's illegal in some European countries? Criticizing government and/or politicians. Take a look at Germany.

 

Looking at the actual law (for DSA anyway), here's some more troubling points.

 

 

So the government doesn't like something you said and can go ahead and request (and the service providers are legally obligated to provide) your information. Your ability to redress is only after they have already gotten your info.

 

And many more troubling points. Yeah this seems pretty draconian to me.

 

I certainly hope this kind of thing does NOT get adopted everywhere.

 

 

 

 

 

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Hmm I hadn't heard about those parts of this. Not a fan of that kind of thing either. I just want to be able to remove the atnt apps from my phone.

[Diffident]

  On 08/07/2022 at 15:22, UltraMega said:

Google designed the OS that doesn't give users the option to remove certain apps. 

 

Seems like a google issue to me, but the blame can be shared. 

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It's the carrier or the phone maker that is stopping their app from being uninstalled not Google.    The OS is open source, you can install a different flavor of Android if you wish....even one without any Google services.

 

[UltraMega]

  On 08/07/2022 at 20:12, Diffident said:

It's the carrier or the phone maker that is stopping their app from being uninstalled not Google.    The OS is open source, you can install a different flavor of Android if you wish....even one without any Google services.

 

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I think they're both to blame. Google allows that kind of explanation on their OS in the first place. 

[schuck6566]

  On 08/07/2022 at 17:22, Sir Beregond said:

Sure, this sounds fine and dandy until you look more into it. Here's another article regarding this:

 

Digital Services: landmark rules adopted for a safer, open online environment | News | European Parliament

WWW.EUROPARL.EUROPA.EU

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The new EU digital rulebook sets out unprecedented standards on the accountability of online companies, within an open and competitive digital market.

 

I'll point to a couple of the points raised here.

 

 

You know what's illegal in some European countries? Criticizing government and/or politicians. Take a look at Germany.

 

Looking at the actual law (for DSA anyway), here's some more troubling points.

 

 

So the government doesn't like something you said and can go ahead and request (and the service providers are legally obligated to provide) your information. Your ability to redress is only after they have already gotten your info.

 

And many more troubling points. Yeah this seems pretty draconian to me.

 

I certainly hope this kind of thing does NOT get adopted everywhere.

 

 

 

 

 

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That's what has you worried? When The U.S. already has This?

Rethinking Surveillance on the 20th Anniversary of the Patriot Act

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20 years ago, Congress enacted the PATRIOT Act. It's time to move on from that outmoded model of surveillance.

 

[Sir Beregond]

  On 11/07/2022 at 04:10, schuck6566 said:

That's what has you worried? When The U.S. already has This?

Rethinking Surveillance on the 20th Anniversary of the Patriot Act

WWW.JUSTSECURITY.ORG

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20 years ago, Congress enacted the PATRIOT Act. It's time to move on from that outmoded model of surveillance.

 

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Hey I don't care who does it, its bad.