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[neurotix]

Since I didn't find a thread for it already, I'll start. Please feel free to direct me to another thread and remove this if there's already an existing thread.

 

My desktop with Cinnamon + custom coded conky (click open in new tab, then click on it to see it full size):

 

 

Edited November 26, 2022 by neurotix
Realized my IP address was in the image.

[Fluxmaven]

Not a lot to see on mine . Primary monitor is a 48" OLED so I auto hide task bar and don't have desktop icons. 

[UltraMega]

I have a folder of 4k backgrounds saved to OneDrive that my PC cycles through. 

 

https://1drv.ms/f/s!AuNPATu-Cc9JjsUe4reWLBuCy5-seQ

[Diffident]

[Mr. Fox]

[Mr. Fox]

[Mr. Fox]

This is the system I am struggling to make viable on Linux. I think it may be something bugged in the ACPI implementation by the dumb-dumbs at ASUS on the Strix ZX690-E. I cannot get the CPU turbo clocks to display correctly in any desirable monitoring tools. CPU-X shows the 12900KS clocks to a fixed 5.4GHz (correct) under load, still not correct at idle, but all of the "normal" things I use show either a fixed 3.4GHz (c-states disabled) or a fixed 4.1GHz (c-states enabled). I have tried KDE, POP!_OS and ZorinOS and all have the same issue. I have tried passing a variety of kernel parameters in GRUB. I have installed different packages intended for monitoring clock speeds and it is hit or miss. The couple that actually work correctly are worthless to me because they are CLI stuff I can't use the way I want to. I also wonder if it is something with the 12900KS not being recognized properly like a 12900K and 13900K. At any rate, this is a classic example of a thing that make noobs believe that Linux is not a viable replacement for Windows, and on this system it probably isn't solely for this reason. I would not embrace Linux if this were an example of normal, but I have used it enough to know it is an exception (albeit a more common problem than desired).

 

 

Edited November 29, 2022 by Mr. Fox

[J7SC_Orion]

Top of the desks with two desktops 

 

[neurotix]

17 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

This is the system I am struggling to make viable on Linux. I think it may be something bugged in the ACPI implementation by the dumb-dumbs at ASUS on the Strix ZX690-E. I cannot get the CPU turbo clocks to display correctly in any desirable monitoring tools. CPU-X shows the 12900KS clocks to a fixed 5.4GHz (correct) under load, still not correct at idle, but all of the "normal" things I use show either a fixed 3.4GHz (c-states disabled) or a fixed 4.1GHz (c-states enabled). I have tried KDE, POP!_OS and ZorinOS and all have the same issue. I have tried passing a variety of kernel parameters in GRUB. I have installed different packages intended for monitoring clock speeds and it is hit or miss. The couple that actually work correctly are worthless to me because they are CLI stuff I can't use the way I want to. I also wonder if it is something with the 12900KS not being recognized properly like a 12900K and 13900K. At any rate, this is a classic example of a thing that make noobs believe that Linux is not a viable replacement for Windows, and on this system it probably isn't solely for this reason. I would not embrace Linux if this were an example of normal, but I have used it enough to know it is an exception (albeit a more common problem than desired).

 

 

 

These are newer chips, and they may not have the right drivers in linux-firmware package yet.

 

For a long time, even with lm-sensors, my 3900x on a Crosshair VIII Hero also would not work with things like proccesor name or clock speed, these things simply did not work. It took like 2 years before they did. If you look at my conky on the screenshot I provided, you will see that my new 5900x is not reporting the temperature either.

 

Things like this eventually get fixed but I think there need to be kernel updates and updates to the linux-firmware package for your motherboard.

 

I know clock speed is different from temperature monitoring but the reasons I listed probably apply. Just wait and use a distro with kernel 5+ and eventually your problem may be fixed with an update. I would also suggest trying the latest Linux Mint.

[Diffident]

22 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

This is the system I am struggling to make viable on Linux. I think it may be something bugged in the ACPI implementation by the dumb-dumbs at ASUS on the Strix ZX690-E. I cannot get the CPU turbo clocks to display correctly in any desirable monitoring tools. CPU-X shows the 12900KS clocks to a fixed 5.4GHz (correct) under load, still not correct at idle, but all of the "normal" things I use show either a fixed 3.4GHz (c-states disabled) or a fixed 4.1GHz (c-states enabled). I have tried KDE, POP!_OS and ZorinOS and all have the same issue. I have tried passing a variety of kernel parameters in GRUB. I have installed different packages intended for monitoring clock speeds and it is hit or miss. The couple that actually work correctly are worthless to me because they are CLI stuff I can't use the way I want to. I also wonder if it is something with the 12900KS not being recognized properly like a 12900K and 13900K. At any rate, this is a classic example of a thing that make noobs believe that Linux is not a viable replacement for Windows, and on this system it probably isn't solely for this reason. I would not embrace Linux if this were an example of normal, but I have used it enough to know it is an exception (albeit a more common problem than desired).

 

 

Your problem might possibly be fixed when Kernel 6.1 is released.  It's going to have a new ASUS sensor driver.

 

Quote

This ASUS EC Sensors driver not using the WMI interface proved to be faster, more flexible, and all-around better than the WMI-based driver. ASUS also abandoned the WMI interface moving forward with their latest products.

 

Linux 6.1 HWMON Nukes The Short-Lived ASUS Driver, Other Monitoring Improvements

WWW.PHORONIX.COM

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Among the early pull requests sent in for the now-open Linux 6.1 merge window was the hardware monitoring...

 

[Mr. Fox]

On 29/11/2022 at 12:11, neurotix said:

 

These are newer chips, and they may not have the right drivers in linux-firmware package yet.

 

For a long time, even with lm-sensors, my 3900x on a Crosshair VIII Hero also would not work with things like proccesor name or clock speed, these things simply did not work. It took like 2 years before they did. If you look at my conky on the screenshot I provided, you will see that my new 5900x is not reporting the temperature either.

 

Things like this eventually get fixed but I think there need to be kernel updates and updates to the linux-firmware package for your motherboard.

 

I know clock speed is different from temperature monitoring but the reasons I listed probably apply. Just wait and use a distro with kernel 5+ and eventually your problem may be fixed with an update. I would also suggest trying the latest Linux Mint.

 

19 hours ago, Diffident said:

Your problem might possibly be fixed when Kernel 6.1 is released.  It's going to have a new ASUS sensor driver.

 

 

Linux 6.1 HWMON Nukes The Short-Lived ASUS Driver, Other Monitoring Improvements

WWW.PHORONIX.COM

---

Among the early pull requests sent in for the now-open Linux 6.1 merge window was the hardware monitoring...

 

I think you are both correct. It does seems to be an ASUS-specific firmware issue. Everything functioned correctly with the 12900KS on the Z690 Dark Kingpin mobo and the 13900K currently installed in it has no issues like the ASUS mobo does. Thank you both for the replies.

 

Since my previous post I installed openSUSE Tumbleweek with kernel 6.0.8-1 and several things changed, some better and others worse. I am planning to try Linux Mint "cutting edge" distro to see if it is better. Mint has always been one of my favorite distros anyway.

 

 

[neurotix]

41 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

I think you are both correct. It does seems to be an ASUS-specific firmware issue. Everything functioned correctly with the 12900KS on the Z690 Dark Kingpin mobo and the 13900K currently installed in it has no issues like the ASUS mobo does. Thank you both for the replies.

 

Since my previous post I installed openSUSE Tumbleweek with kernel 6.0.8-1 and several things changed, some better and others worse. I am planning to try Linux Mint "cutting edge" distro to see if it is better. Mint has always been one of my favorite distros anyway.

 

 

 

Yep, Mint is nice and has a nice selection of window managers to choose from with it's different versions. I personally use it because of Timeshift- system restore for Linux. I've needed to do it a few times after updating the kernel because I have this persistent issue since I run SLI cards where on shutdown, it hangs and gives an error "Xorg: failed to idle channel 2" requiring me to press my rigs reset button. (using Nouveau drivers)

 

Also, your guys desktops look nice but ewww I hate KDE (up until 2021 I was still using Gnome 2 with compiz-renewed or whatever its called. Emerald themes are awesome.) I was actually using mainline Debian but they still use kernel 4 and I don't like that they use Firefox-ESR so Firefox never gets updated. Pretty bad. But I do like Debian not being tied into Canonical and its better if you're a power user, god help you if something breaks with it though.

 

Either way I think you need to try Mint, the rate at which updates come out is rather annoying but maybe theres a higher chance of your issue being fixed.

 

What monitoring tools are you using and what are you doing that requires you to monitor the frequency?

[Diffident]

 

I just switched from KDE to Gnome, and from Fedora to Nobara Linux...well Nobara Linux is still Fedora just with gaming tweaks.

 

Nobara Linux is maintained by Redhat employee GloriousEggroll,  he also maintains Proton-GE.

[Mr. Fox]

On 30/11/2022 at 14:33, neurotix said:

 

Yep, Mint is nice and has a nice selection of window managers to choose from with it's different versions. I personally use it because of Timeshift- system restore for Linux. I've needed to do it a few times after updating the kernel because I have this persistent issue since I run SLI cards where on shutdown, it hangs and gives an error "Xorg: failed to idle channel 2" requiring me to press my rigs reset button. (using Nouveau drivers)

 

Also, your guys desktops look nice but ewww I hate KDE (up until 2021 I was still using Gnome 2 with compiz-renewed or whatever its called. Emerald themes are awesome.) I was actually using mainline Debian but they still use kernel 4 and I don't like that they use Firefox-ESR so Firefox never gets updated. Pretty bad. But I do like Debian not being tied into Canonical and its better if you're a power user, god help you if something breaks with it though.

 

Either way I think you need to try Mint, the rate at which updates come out is rather annoying but maybe theres a higher chance of your issue being fixed.

 

What monitoring tools are you using and what are you doing that requires you to monitor the frequency?

Overclocked benching and gaming is what I do that requires (or produces the desire) to monitor frequency. I always overclock everything that can be overclocked. I have been a Mint fan for longer than I can say and I have used Mint the most. I used it almost exclusively for many years. Sometimes I experiment, but I always come back to Mint. I recently started playing with KDE and found some things about it (aesthetically) that I liked, some I didn't. I am definitely not in love with it. I have used it less than 6 months. I like any desktop environment with a GUI/shell that closely resembles the classic Windows Vista/7 environment. I dislike any GUI/shell that does not. Cinnamon and Plasma are the closest thing to a classic Windows desktop.

On 30/11/2022 at 15:49, Diffident said:

 

I just switched from KDE to Gnome, and from Fedora to Nobara Linux...well Nobara Linux is still Fedora just with gaming tweaks.

 

Nobara Linux is maintained by Redhat employee GloriousEggroll,  he also maintains Proton-GE.

 

I tried the latest Mint on the ASUS system and no dice. Still broken. I installed the latest available 6.* kernel and still no dice. I think I like ASUS less with every product generation. I have had more issues with their garbage being broken or failing than any brand other than AMD. ASUS used to sell well-made, reliable high-quality products but they are approaching the failure rate of AMD in my experience. 

 

Below is an example of a newer CPU, same chipset, things functioning correctly using kernel 5.19.0-23-generic. I think pointing the finger at ASUS is appropriate.

Edited December 2, 2022 by Mr. Fox

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Overclocked benching and gaming is what I do that requires (or produces the desire) to monitor frequency. I always overclock everything that can be overclocked. I have been a Mint fan for longer than I can say and I have used Mint the most. I used it almost exclusively for many years. Sometimes I experiment, but I always come back to Mint. I recently started playing with KDE and found some things about it (aesthetically) that I liked, some I didn't. I am definitely not in love with it. I have used it less than 6 months. I like any desktop environment with a GUI/shell that closely resembles the classic Windows Vista/7 environment. I dislike any GUI/shell that does not. Cinnamon and Plasma are the closest thing to a classic Windows desktop.

 

I tried the latest Mint on the ASUS system and no dice. Still broken. I installed the latest available 6.* kernel and still no dice. I think I like ASUS less with every product generation. I have had more issues with their garbage being broken or failing than any brand other than AMD. ASUS used to sell well-made, reliable high-quality products but they are approaching the failure rate of AMD in my experience. 

 

Below is an example of a newer CPU, same chipset, things functioning correctly using kernel 5.19.0-23-generic. I think pointing the finger at ASUS is appropriate.

I forgot to document... even this application functions correctly on the Z690 Dark. Per-core or all-core CPU frequency can be adjusted on the fly. This is broken on the Z690 ASUS mobo.