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[EHW Ai]

It's here, but sans their delid/relid tool that Igor describes. I guess in all fairness they never do picture that tool with the product on their site, but it is a bit of a disappointment. Should have asked, but my bad.

 

Fortunately, I've also got the 12th gen Rockit Cool tool. 

 

 

 

 

I'll need to polish up the inside of the cold plate; and since I've already got them. I'll likely swap some of the nylon washers out with non-yellowed ones.

 

@Mr. Fox

Edited May 13, 2022 by iamjanco

[Avacado]

Man I hope this turns out good for you. I don't know what it is, but I just don't trust this kit. Do you think you would be able to polish some of that acrylic too?

[EHW Ai]

12 minutes ago, Avacado said:

Man I hope this turns out good for you. I don't know what it is, but I just don't trust this kit. Do you think you would be able to polish some of that acrylic too?

 

I could likely polish everything up if I really wanted to, but I think I'll just be after proof of concept for now (unless its cooling really blows my socks off); but yes, it is kinda ugly, isn't it.

[EHW Ai]

Also got the parts in that I need to start working on the 12vdc bus for the Atlas II build. Tin-plated copper terminals, Blue Sea blocks (four total), and brackets that I'll be painting black:

 

 

[Avacado]

Just now, iamjanco said:

Also got the parts in that I need to start working on the 12vdc bus for the Atlas II build. Tin-plated copper terminals, Blue Sea blocks (four total), and brackets that I'll be painting black:

 

 

Got to love Chinese plastic kits. Usually only need a couple, end up with enough for a lifetime. 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, iamjanco said:

It's here, but sans their delid/relid tool that Igor describes. I guess in all fairness they never do picture that tool with the product on their site, but it is a bit of a disappointment. Should have asked, but my bad.

 

Fortunately, I've also got the 12th gen Rockit Cool tool. 

 

 

 

 

I'll need to polish up the inside of the cold plate; and since I've already got them. I'll likely swap some of the nylon washers out with non-yellowed ones.

 

@Mr. Fox

Mine is being delivered today as well. 

2 hours ago, Avacado said:

Man I hope this turns out good for you. I don't know what it is, but I just don't trust this kit. Do you think you would be able to polish some of that acrylic too?

I had my 10th Gen Supercool kit for a long time and never used it because I did not particularly care for it aesthetically and I especially do not like that it cannot be disassembled without spilling at least a little bit of water and making a small mess that has to be cleaned up before powering up the system. That makes for an inconvenient setup. I have always used either the der8auer die frame or the Rockitcool die frame, but I had to try it for no reason other than curiosity. The die frames work extremely well once you get everything positioned exactly right, but it requires a fair amount of fiddling and fuss to get the right fit to function correctly because they are very imprecise and have a lot of "slop" in the design. If you don't take the time to get the fit right, they don't work well at all.

 

This Supercool 10th Gen kit works extremely well and has a higher degree of precision to it. I think it functions better than any other direct die setup I have used before. It still has all of the mentioned cons relating to aesthetics and inconvenience, but the pro is fantastic cooling. Ultimately, the reason we delid and go bare die is to achieve better cooling and create more overclocking headroom. To that extent it is a clear win. I hope the 12th Gen kit works as well in terms of cooling.

Edited May 13, 2022 by Mr. Fox

[Avacado]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Mine is being delivered today as well. 

I had my 10th Gen Supercool kit for a long time and ever used it because I did not particularly care for it aesthetically and I especially do not like that it cannot be disassembled without spilling a least a little bit of water and making a small mess that has to be cleaned up before powering up the system. That makes for an inconvenient setup. I have always used either the der8auer die frame or the Rockitcool die frame, but I had to try it for no reason other than curiosity. The die frames work extremely well once you get everything positioned exactly right, but it requires a fair amount of fiddling and fuss to get the right fit to function correctly because they are very imprecise and have a lot of "slop" in the design. If you don't take the time to get the fit right, they don't work well at all.

 

This Supercool 10th Gen kit works extremely well and has a higher degree of precision to it. I think it functions better than any other direct die setup I have used before. It still has all of the mentioned cons relating to aesthetics and inconvenience, but the pro is fantastic cooling. Ultimately, the reason we delid and go bare die is to achieve better cooling and create more overclocking headroom. To that extent it is a clear win. I hope the 12th Gen kit works as well in terms of cooling.

I do too, for both your sakes. 

[Mr. Fox]

Well, I installed the Supercool direct die block and my temps are a little bit higher than they were with the copper IHS. The installation was pretty straightforward. The CPU was already delidded, so there wasn't much effort involved. To rule out the possibility of user error on my part, I am going to remove it and check to confirm the liquid metal application was adequate and test once more before I decide if I should go back to using an IHS. This would be the first time ever in my experience that direct die cooling did not result in an impressive improvement. I am impressed with the Supercool 10th Gen direct die block, so I am hoping this is a result of user error and not a flaw in 12th Gen product design.

 

Edit: I had done the ILM washer mod so I will also remove them to rule out the possibility that is a factor.

Edited May 14, 2022 by Mr. Fox
Mention washer mod

[EHW Ai]

 

33 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, I installed the Supercool direct die block and my temps are a little bit higher than they were with the copper IHS. The installation was pretty straightforward. The CPU was already delidded, so there wasn't much effort involved. To rule out the possibility of user error on my part, I am going to remove it and check to confirm the liquid metal application was adequate and test once more before I decide if I should go back to using an IHS. This would be the first time ever in my experience that direct die cooling did not result in an impressive improvement. I am impressed with the Supercool 10th Gen direct die block, so I am hoping this is a result of user error and not a flaw in 12th Gen product design.

 

Edit: I had done the ILM washer mod so I will also remove them to rule out the possibility that is a factor.

 

It would be a while before I could get to it myself; and definitely am interested in what you confirm. 

[Mr. Fox]

Follow up after further investigation... It was user error at first, but overall really no improvement. That is very puzzling, but maybe the cold plate didn't have enough effort in the design. It's OK, but so far kind of a disappointment. Not sure if I am going to keep it or not. Will play with it some more before I decide. Still kind of shocking that the temps are not better since so much less material is present between the water and the die.

 

 

[Avacado]

32 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Follow up after further investigation... It was user error at first, but overall really no improvement. That is very puzzling, but maybe the cold plate didn't have enough effort in the design. It's OK, but so far kind of a disappointment. Not sure if I am going to keep it or not. Will play with it some more before I decide. Still kind of shocking that the temps are not better since so much less material is present between the water and the die.

 

 

The only thing I can think of is adequate compression of the block to the die. The 1700 platform is already infamous with contact pressure while mounted. Were you able to confirm with thermal paste before applying LM? I know it is common practice to coat the die AND the top of the IHS or in your case water block. It is possible that there isn't enough contact pressure and you wouldn't know if you pre-coated the block too. 

 

If it is any consolation, I did order the thermal right mounting kit (God knows when it'll arrive) and can let you know how that works out if you decide to go back to copper IHS. 

Edited May 15, 2022 by Avacado

[EHW Ai]

59 minutes ago, Avacado said:

I did order the thermal right mounting kit

Did you order the frame via Tabao, Ali Express, or eBay?

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Avacado said:

The only thing I can think of is adequate compression of the block to the die. The 1700 platform is already infamous with contact pressure while mounted. Were you able to confirm with thermal paste before applying LM? I know it is common practice to coat the die AND the top of the IHS or in your case water block. It is possible that there isn't enough contact pressure and you wouldn't know if you pre-coated the block too. 

 

If it is any consolation, I did order the thermal right mounting kit (God knows when it'll arrive) and can let you know how that works out if you decide to go back to copper IHS. 

I suspect it is. I showed this in the video. I might need to lap the die side of the cold plate to increase the contact pressure. I did not have adequate coverage upon the first installation, but you can see where the edge of the die contacted the bare cold plate. Had the fit been well it would have squished the liquid metal across the area that is bare metal. It is also only in the lower left corner in the photo. It should have been visible the full length of the die. Adding more liquid metal helped, but there are a couple of cores getting a lot hotter than the rest with the bare die block. Core temps were very even and close to the same on all cores/threads with the copper IHS.

 

Maybe next weekend I will take it apart again and lap the bottom of the cold plate to increase pressure on the die. The recessed area on the CPU side of the cold plate is probably deeper than it should be. If that doesn't help enough, then I will just back to using the IHS and sell the Supercool direct die block on eBay or Mercari.

 

If I do not stick with this, I will probably just lap the stock IHS. I generally get better results that way than I do with a copper IHS from Rockitcool. But, I am interested in that same ILM replacement, so I look forward to seeing how that works.

 

1 hour ago, iamjanco said:

Did you order the frame via Tabao, Ali Express, or eBay?

I am thinking of ordering one from Ali, but I am curious what, if anything, (or nothing,) is special about the one der8auer is making.

 

Edited May 15, 2022 by Mr. Fox

[Avacado]

7 hours ago, iamjanco said:

Did you order the frame via Tabao, Ali Express, or eBay?

Ali Express. I am sure the one Der8auer is making will be high quality, but I doubt the Thermalright one will be much different (If it's not actually a knockoff). Either way, I hope its good, I promised Liquidhaus one. lol

 

I think it may be time we made a spinoff thread about this. 

Edited May 15, 2022 by Avacado

[Avacado]

All installed. Get to turn them on in a month. This is part of the system.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, Avacado said:

Ali Express. I am sure the one Der8auer is making will be high quality, but I doubt the Thermalright one will be much different (If it's not actually a knockoff). Either way, I hope its good, I promised Liquidhaus one. lol

 

I think it may be time we made a spinoff thread about this. 

From what I can tell, the one from Thermalright simply tightens down against some pads to make contact with the motherboard. The one from der8auer has adjustable tension.  I am also interested in the associated lapping block that loads the CPU under tension to mimic the distortion of being installed. This should ultimately result in a better lapping outcome. I found Roman's video interesting where he was showing how Splave's lapped IHS was no longer flat after the CPU was installed.

 

I think that either one of them will be better than the stock ILM. The design is more intelligent and is basically the same concept as the previous bare die frames. One thing that I like about how they are made is there is a tiny air gap around the perimeter of the IHS. You could pack air gap that with some cheap thermal compound and load up the top of the IHS with liquid metal and not have to worry about it running off the edge and dripping into the socket pins area.

Edited May 15, 2022 by Mr. Fox

[Mr. Fox]

I farted around with the Supercool direct die block for a few hours today and decided it's more trouble than it is worth. I am pretty sure if I spend enough time getting the cold plate to fit right it would work great, like the one does on my 10900K, but I got tired of sucking the water out of it with a vacuum cleaner. After the third time I was like, "Fox, what the hell are you doing? And, why?" I can put up with inconvenient design when it works well and produces pleasing results, but I'm not seeing that. It should have just worked right out of the box. The temps were not horrible, but they should have been better than with an IHS and they were not. Not good enough to justify the hassle, that's for sure.

 

I did not try sanding down the CPU side of the cold plate as I originally planned to because I noticed that the tabs or "wings" on the sides where the ILM presses down are already extremely thin and if I remove some of the material they might end up being too thin and bending under pressure. Plus, when you buy something special, you expect it to work right. I am losing interest in modding things other people have made that are supposed to be awesome (which is why you buy it in the first place) in order to get the results the product was expected to produce when it was purchased. 

 

I think I am going to order one of those ILM replacements and call it good since I am not benching much any more. If someone comes up with a bare die frame for 12th Gen that allows me to use a normal water block, I'll grab one if and when that happens.

 

I lapped the stock IHS and put it back together with KPX on the top side and I'm done for now. Considering it's not liquid metal on both sides of the IHS, the temps are actually very good. As usual (for me) the stock IHS works better than the aftermarket copper IHS on a desktop. The aftermarket IHSes have only been better than stock for me on a laptop.

 

 

Edited May 16, 2022 by Mr. Fox

[Storm-Chaser]

Made about 65 grams of the alloy Galinstan last night, process is very easy. Much more cost effective than purchasing pre-made, just involves a mix of 70% gallium, 20% indium and 10% tin. Put the gallium in contact with the other two metals under a heat lamp and you will have Galinstan in no time. Very interesting stuff. When the metals begin to break down due to gallium exposure, the mixture gets very cold. Waiting to put into a copper radiator before I test in my z840 rig. Judging from how quickly this stuff destroys aluminum, this is probably a wise decision.

 

 

 

Edited May 16, 2022 by Storm-Chaser

[schuck6566]

Just an FYI, evga has 3080Ti's and 3090's in their B stock section as low as $1049.99 for the 3080Ti's and $1199.99 for a 3090 FTW3 Ultra gaming. Other models at higher prices also.

Edited May 18, 2022 by schuck6566

[EHW Ai]

Ordered some additional supplies from moddiy:

 

[bonami2]

Just ordered a Corsair 4000D Airflow White.

Wanted to go dual build with my Phantek enthoo 719 but for some reason the size of it trigger me .

 

About 18lb lighter is the 4000D can't complain!

 

Anyone in canada mtl want a Enthoo 719 with like 10 hard drive bay  

[Avacado]

Lever pulled. All systems are a go baby!

 

[The Pook]

21 hours ago, iamjanco said:

Ordered some additional supplies from moddiy:

 

 

 

 

let me know how the gimp fan does 

[bonami2]

5 hours ago, Avacado said:

Lever pulled. All systems are a go baby!

 

Where is that Solar Array? On your home? It a pretty big setup!

[Avacado]

6 minutes ago, bonami2 said:

Where is that Solar Array? On your home? It a pretty big setup!

Yes! On the roof. 16kw system.