Sir Beregond

I don't know, I think @Avacadomight be on to something. Given the 4080 12GB specs, I think it's extremely likely that the 3090/3090 Ti will outperform it at 4K. Probably just a way for them to sell unsold stock of 30-series cards.

Given the "Jensen 2X" for the 3080 over the 2080 when it released, I likewise take these claims with a grain of salt. The 4090 is actually cheaper than I was expecting. I thought for sure they'd push $1999 on it. I think the bigger travesty is the pair of 4080's. The 16GB is being priced like the 2080 Ti / 3080 Ti before it, yet is not the same die as the 4090 and features a really mid-range 256-bit bus I'd expect to see with the 104 die cards. In my mind, that is really bad. Even RDNA2 with it's Infinity Cache showed deficiencies at 4K using the 256-bit bus. To be fair, 80-class cards having 256-bit buses and 104 dies is not unusual. The 680, 980, 1080, 2080 are all examples of this. However what is new is the astronomical price increase. None of those cards were $1200. The biggest slap to the face to consumers is the $900 12GB 4080. At a measly 192-bit bus I can't possibly see how this won't have problems for higher resolution gaming...something people in this price range are going to want to be able to do. A lot of people around are calling it a 4070 rebranded as a 4080 and in a sense that is certainly true, but it's even worse than that. Have we ever had a 70-class card that was 192-bit? Seems to me that was usually the 60-class card. So in my mind they are taking 60-class card specs, pumping a ton of power through it, and calling it "80-class". Maybe its just me, but feels like Kepler all over again. Anyone remember the GTX 680? And maybe this is an extreme reaction, but I sincerely hope people let these 4080's rot on shelves.

Wish I could help E, but my last experience with Intel overclocking was a 4790k. I will say I found it far easier to work with than the 5900X. While all core OC on AMD did great with some multi-thread benchmarks, I found it hampered my single thread performance where PBO/CO could achieve higher single core clocks. I guess some newer BIOS versions let you get the best of both worlds now, but I haven't updated to try it out. Contrast that to my 4790k system and it was as easy as setting a number while syncing all cores and bumping the voltage up if necessary and testing. Manually tuning Curve Optimizer on AMD on the other hand was extremely tedious. I am not sure if Intel is as simple as it used to be given we have moved past the quad core era. But I guess I can just say good luck with your OCing endeavors.

Exactly. This is why I am perplexed by these rumors. Perhaps it will just turn out to be that...rumors. Guess we'll find out tomorrow.

I'm sure raw performance will be great, but I just don't understand how a 192-bit 80-class card wouldn't be kneecapped for higher resolution gaming, something 80-class card buyers may care about lol. Seems like more funny business in the vein of Kepler. GTX 680 was a mid-range card too.

I did edit my post and noted they could go the way of BFG, which would be a shame, but definitely a possibility.

I'm kinda sad now because of this O11-D case, the FE was the only card that really fit without conflicting with either the side panel, reservoir/pump mount or both. I kinda wish I had a final card from EVGA. My last EVGA card was a GTX 670 FTW. Wife has an EVGA GTX 1660, which is the newest EVGA card in the house. I do still have an old EVGA GTX 570 HD. I may just hold on to that now...

I thought so too. Saw some say maybe it is a negotiation move with Nvidia, but given Nvidia was informed in April, this seems unlikely. I suspect AMD might be similar, but hey why not be the hero Intel needs to get a 3rd competitor on the market? Outside of that, I don't see why they can't pivot into their other markets, but I would expect there to be growing pains and downsizing initially to get there. Power supplies are clearly a solid segment of their business that they can grow. They could really work to expand on other peripherals and cases. I heard they were not continuing with motherboards, is that true? I was going to say they could expand there, or branch into memory. They could almost be a competitor to Corsair at that point. On the other hand, they could easily go the way of BFG. Guess time will tell.

So far they have said they don't want to do Intel or AMD cards either (i.e. no graphics cards, period). Seems silly to me as now would be the prime time for such a partnership. They really should have learned from the last crypto surges. I agree, probably got burnt on a whole lot of sitting RTX 30-series cards rotting on shelves, or selling at a loss.

Still a spec like a 192-bit bus is firmly mid range.

I'm sorry, an 80-class card (the 12gb 4080) with a 192-bit bus? Get bent Nvidia, that's atrocious. Not sure if that was part of this source, but what I've seen with similar rumors. 16gb version being 256-bit and 12gb version being 192-bit (as opposed to 384).

Loving the Monsoon fittings. That's what I use for my flexible tube builds too. And same color.

These cards look like a parody at this point. Gigantic.

That's a confusing name. So its USB 4 2.0.

Oh man, that took me back just thinking about that.

Ah, yeah that does seem off. Should feel hot air exhausting from there under load for sure. Another great question.

Yeah but does it stay that hot under sustained load?

Had some problems with the B-die kit over the weekend and wasn't booting even after some CMOS resets. No idea what happened, but re-seated the RAM and then it worked. Hadn't touched it at all so not sure what happened there, but will need to dial in the settings again. I have a list of stable timings so will start there.

Well my 5900X gets hot even under a custom loop (compared to any of my older systems), so depending on what temps you average out (not just what it spikes to), may be completely normal for Zen 3. 5800X is going to run hotter than a 5600X and potentially even a 5900X (not entirely sure on that one) just by nature of being a single full die CCD (so denser heat generated in one area) vs a cut down CCD (5600X) or two 6-core CCD spread out on the 5900X.

Not particularly. There are guides for PBO/CO which can be good for daily use, I found this video very helpful to just understanding the terminology and concepts behind PBO. Zen 3 benefits a lot from undervolting which can actually enable higher clocks/boosts which is vastly different from my older Intel chip overclocks which were set a number, bump voltage if needed, test. LOL. That said, for the specific benchmark CPU Profile Max, I got my best scores foregoing PBO and instead getting the max all core OC I could. That's as simple as setting the core ratio number, and adjusting voltage.

I pushed my 5900X as far as I could on that one...if you are talking about the CPU Profile Max one.

I was looking at fans and such this week for review and going to be doing some more testing this weekend as I'll have to do a slight teardown. Hope to maybe do some more DDR4 tuning this weekend as well. My last run was only marginally better than what I have submitted, so still working on it.

I never got into Halo. I think I played multiplayer of it a few times at a friend's house on his Xbox growing up, but that's about it. I was never much for multiplayer shooters. Co-op though sounds legitimately interesting.

Butt company huh?