Sir Beregond

Stock cooler 6800XT now #1 on FireStrike. Note LN2 cooled overlcocked 5950X. https://hwbot.org/submission/4606724_lucky_n00b_3dmark___fire_strike_radeon_rx_6800_xt_47932_marks https://hwbot.org/benchmark/3dmark_-_fire_strike/rankings?start=0&cores=1#start=0#interval=20

I definitely feel on the fence again and will reiterate my position that its overpriced.

Haha...I meant don't take my memory of what I thought I heard to the bank. ? Oh these will sell out tomorrow no doubt. Will be interesting to see how the restock game plays out vs 3080.

Don't quote me, but I thought I heard 9am Eastern. I could be wrong.

I mean makes sense. I'd assume a team has already been working on Zen 4 since these things take years to develop.

WooHoo! Thanks all!

Exactly. I think I'll just spring for the 5900X. 5950X is priced way higher than I would like, but I think I can cough up an extra $100 for the 5900X over the 5800X.

Yeah I'm leaning to a 6800XT with a 5900X. Was wanting the 5800X but I'm not thrilled about 8-core part at $450. Realistically would probably be fine with a 5600X, but wouldn't mind having extra oomph for the next 4-5 years before next upgrade.

Really was wanting an 8 core part but not north of $400. I'm contemplating just going 5900X now.

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Nice job! Glad to hear the work has payed off!

Wow. If reviews do end up corroborating these benchmarks, then what a return to performance competition for AMD. Even if they fall short a bit, still it's right up there with Nvidia top end. Last time this happened was what...2013 with the 290X? Exciting times.

Yeah, realistically if RDNA2 ended up being nothing, I expect we'd have not seen anything from Nvidia earlier than Q1 2021. They clearly were not ready.

Did you notice it steadily getting worse over time, or did it just one day crap out on temps? Immediate thoughts are that either the gas in the heat pipes leaked out as mentioned before and thus they aren't working to carry away the heat, or maybe fans are broken even if reading at "100%", but that seems unlikely. I'd see if you can source another heatsink, or else look at a universal water block or aftermarket heatsink. Considering you've re-pasted and reseated several times, I'm inclined to agree that the heatsink is probably toast if everything else is clean and airflow is good.

The number of times I've had my Nvidia drivers crash out on me over the past 8 years since being on them...well it's not a lot, but it's more than I have had on previous Radeon cards. Girlfriend's machine regularly has Nvidia driver/Windows 10 crashes/issues. Show me some general statistics on Nvidia vs AMD on driver issues and maybe this argument will have merit over "my experience vs your experience". Obviously Navi had issues. Nvidia has had their share too. The only time I really had issues while driving Radeon cards was in crossfire and I just chalk that up to running multi-GPU sucks...either camp and at that point adopted a "buy highest end single GPU" that fits needs/budget philosophy. Suffice to say...since I am not a launch buyer (ever), I will see how things go. As far as I am concerned, unless they really blow it, I'm sure AMD took what happened with Navi and worked to not repeat that. And not specifically drivers here, but didn't AIB 3080's just release with stability issues they had to do a BIOS update for? Neither brand is without faults.

I think Nvidia will sell every thing they manage to put out there. While it is damaging their brand image, I don't think it is doing enough damage to matter on that front...at least for now. If they start doing Intel level of blunders, I guess we'll see.

My two Apple cult member co-workers ordered new iPhones immediately after announcement and I believe were able to pick them up last week. They both had whatever the previous model was (I am not well versed in iPhones) all while touting all these features they'll never use. Then they got home and said how their 5G signal sucked at their respective homes. I felt bad about it, but I couldn't help but laugh.

Agreed. I'll get whatever works for my needs early next year. I'm thinking 5800X/6800XT. I am not expecting an Ampere refresh on TSMC 7nm until next summer at the earliest. Just speculation, but that's my guess. Adult me can't help but feel nostalgic for those awesome box art/cooler stickers back in the day...even if a bit juvenile by adult me standards. There was just something cool about them. And I agree... Ruby > Nalu.

Yeah I am not in a big rush either, but my system can't really drive modern stuff at 1440p without turning everything down, so I am mostly playing older games at the moment. That said, I am not a launch buyer. Will see how things look in Feb-March next year. Also interested to see how Micro Center will end up pricing Zen 3 as we have one here in Denver. I definitely got my 4790k way below its at the time MSRP back in 2014.

Considering availability issues and likely yield problems with Samsung as their fab, and let's be honest, Samsung "8"nm not being the best, I think the launch cards will be short lived and quickly replaced by a TSMC 7nm refresh with perhaps a shift in chips/configs. I could see a 12-20GB 3090 as a 3080 Ti/Super and a cut down 102 with more VRAM as a 3070 Ti/Super, and perhaps on TSMC 7nm...a 3090 that isn't cut-down. But that assumes they were working a 7nm design in parallel with 8nm. Guess we'll see. I don't think they can respond much at all in their current state and I don't think we'll see them lower the current 3080 price. You can't even find it - it's not like they are collecting dust on a shelf.

6900XT looks great at $999....compared to a $1500 card. Really this card should be $699 in my opinion. Sure...maybe $799. But let's get real. Only reason it is $1k is because the 3090 exists north of $1k. AMD is a business taking advantage of the current market price-points and playing to them, so it's hard to blame. But as a consumer, I'm just not thrilled about prices from either camp. As for the 6800XT a slight undercut of an overpriced card is still in overpriced territory as far as I am concerned. Anyway, hoping the benchmarks look good. I'm looking for the next card to drive my new PC for the next 5-ish years (current PC is turning 6 soon), so I am looking hard at the 6800XT/3080 tier (as much as I hate their pricing, sigh). We'll see if my next PC is a 5 year one or if we start advancing fast again, but with current pricing, not interested in upgrading every gen like I used to back in the day. Since I am planning to upgrade to Zen 3, gotta admit, the feature pairings with RX 6000 looks very compelling, so I am definitely leaning Radeon likely this round. But will wait for the benchmarks and see.

According to this page on AMD's site, the 16GB GDDR6 with 128MB Infinity Cache over 256-bit bus has a theoretical 1664GB/s effective speed. Review/benchmarks will tell... Overall looks pretty good, but I think is still overpriced. Would have preferred to see the 6800XT at $599 and 6800 at $499, but I mean, that's just AMD working off of the market price points Nvidia created...

Totally understand that different use cases will necessitate different cards being better. Makes sense. Anyway, the other bit that just leaves a bad taste in my mouth is the $500 price tag (so AIB's will be more). And it's an xx70 tier card. So I guess the Turing price hikes most of us complained about are fine now?

I'm not impressed. You can't really call this a $500 2080 Ti as it doesn't beat it everywhere and in some respects spec wise. If you managed to snag a 2080 Ti for around $500, you have more VRAM on a higher bandwidth and 3070 DLSS/RT performance in gaming is not better than the 2080 Ti. As far as I am concerned, AMD can really kill this card if any of the leaks are true.

Launch availability won't matter to me as I am not building for a few months, but Ampere is a hot mess as far as I am concerned as an architecture and being on Samsung "8"nm. Sure, like Fermi prior, it performs, but it's got its problems and Nvidia is sandbagging on VRAM. If Big Navi meets, is close to, or beats Ampere and is priced well, I will be jumping back over to Radeon for my next build, no problem. I've been on two Nvidia cards since my last Radeon cards. I'm ready. I expect Ampere to refresh on 7nm and that will help. It won't be a magic bullet, but I expect it will alleviate some issues they have being on "8"nm from a power and yields perspective, and maybe clocks too. I think it's Fermi 1 to Fermi 2 all over again. AdoredTV did an interesting analysis on VRAM going back to Fermi and how we generally saw a doubling for each tier each new generation. And Ti cards were typically half of a Titan. Then it started to get weird with Pascal and going into Turing and Ampere hasn't really progressed and if their marketing is believed can be seen as a regression if the 3080 is supposed to be a replacement for the 2080 Ti (Nvidia does keep calling 3080 their new "flagship" yet continually compares it to the 2080 on charts more than 2080 Ti which was flagship of last gen). More credence that the 3090 is a replacement for the 2080 Ti, not the Titan RTX, while having a $300 price hike. Fermi mid-range: 1GB (GTX 460/560) Fermi high-end: 1.5GB (GTX 480/580) Kepler mid-range: 2GB (GTX 680) Kepler high-end: 3GB (GTX 780 Ti) Kepler Titan: 6GB (OG Titan) Maxwell mid-range: 4GB (GTX 980) Maxwell high end: 6GB (GTX 980 Ti) Maxwell Titan: 12 GB (Titan X) Pascal mid-range: 8GB (GTX 1080) Pascal high-end: 11GB (GTX 1080 Ti) Pascal Titan: 12GB (Titan Xp) Turing mid-range: 8GB (RTX 2080/2080 Super) Turing high-end: 11GB (RTX 2080 Ti) Turing Titan: 24GB (Titan RTX) Ampere mid-range: 10GB (RTX 3080) Ampere high-end: 24GB (RTX 3090) Ampere Titan: there isn't one (48GB if one comes out?)