neurotix

Was this with L1 and L2 prefetcher off? I hadn't heard of that tweak either. Also, in Extreme Tweaker there's a drop-down box near the Per CCX entry that says something like Performance bias and it has entries for Cinebench R15 Gentle, Cinebench R15 Aggressive, etc. I wonder if those would help.

Congrats, good work

A protip: you get slightly to a decent amount higher Cinebench scores if you set the process priority for Cinebench to Realtime. The system will essentially lock up and show just a black screen for Cinebench and not show the render, but if you wait it will finish and show the whole render and your score will be slightly higher. I tested both with Realtime and without at 4800MHz and in R23 it increased my score by around 300 pts. On other setups/my old 4790k/older versions of Cinebench, it would actually give you like 500pts more or higher when running the process in Realtime. I think you can set process priority to Realtime using benchmate, but I personally use a program called Prio Process Priority setter. https://www.prnwatch.com/prio/ That program will allow you to control process priority through Task Manager under the Details tab by right clicking on the Cinebench process. And no, I did not use and have no idea about Dynamic OC mode. I just went in the Extreme Tweaker PBO menu and set both PBO and PBO Fmax enhancer to off, left voltage on auto, and set clocks and VID in the per CCX menu.

/img/logo.png neurotix`s Cinebench - R23 Multi Core with BenchMate score: 23762 cb with a Ryzen 9 5900X HWBOT.ORG The Ryzen 9 5900X @ 4800MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the Cinebench - R23 Multi Core with BenchMate benchmark... 4800/4500

This turned out great! And I'm not just saying that cuz I'm on it. Thanks Enterprise!

Box Navies eh? Don't you really have to pound on those? I was actually the most interested in those before I did my custom builds, but went with the Jades because of the lower actuation force and positive reviews, as well as a few videos of how they sound etc. What site do you tend to use for switches that would have Box Pinks with fast shipping? Also, can you recommend some keycap brands or post a link to the caps on your Mini Cat? Or even some PBT white caps. I'm thinking of replicating it for my wife, just with Box Pink switches. We share keyboards so I would be able to use it as well lol. How many switches would I need for it? Not sure I can get the wife to give me say $150 to put it together for her for Xmas when we get back from LA though... @Fluxmavenn

Yeah I was thinking of Kailh Box pink. Do you know the actuation force (usually in grams) of them? Have you used Box Jades, Navy or White and how do the Box Pink compare? I am not surprised at the Speed Silvers.. the only linear switches I've used are MX Reds but those have a longer throw distance. I have a Corsair K70 Lux with Cherry MX Reds and a Ducky One 2 with MX Reds, both of which I got when I was new to the hobby. Getting a very well worn OCN Ducky with MX Blues is what convinced me I like clicky switches. I'd love to build my wife a mini cat and a seperate numpad but doing both with the cost of switches and keycaps would probably be too expensive and she's fine with what she has. (GMMK v2 fullsize, Box Whites, pbt pudding keycaps) Also, where do you buy your switches and keycaps? I got my Jades through Amazon and they took over a month to come from China...if you know of somewhere to get Box switches faster, and keycaps, maybe I could do a Mini Cat for my wife for Xmas.

It turned out great! And that cheap too? How much is the Mini Cat 64? Also what do you think of the Kailh Speed Silver switches in it? Do they have a very short throw or something? Both your boards turned out awesome. Making me want to build a similar board with Kailh Rose switches (clicky). However trying to be frugal lately except for my wanting an RTX 4090, lol. Spent a lot on Xmas gifts for people and I'm also going to visit my fiancee's family in LA for Christmas, those plane companies really nickel and dime you. But I'll take 70F weather for a few days and its supposed to be 5F out here one of the days I'm going to be gone. Lol.

Yeah the FX-8350 in her rig is lapped and I used to run it at 5GHz 1.55v. It was unstable and would phail intelburntest but was 100% game stable. I switched when I got 2x 290 Tri-X and got a 4770k instead.. Valley at 1080p got 90fps with the 8350 and 135 fps with the 4770k at 4.5GHz. 500MHz lower and 45 more fps.. However yes, even now and at stock (I don't think moms RAM kit is even OCed correctly its just at the boards default) the system is snappy. It boots fast and opens programs fast off a SATA 850 Evo. Its fine for her simple games and occasionally web browsing/paying bills online. I'm really happy the R5 230 didn't take the board with it when it failed (that gpu was literally burned all over). The FX chips clock really high and can even tolerate out of spec voltages on something like custom watercooling, ocs of 5.2GHz were not unheard of on OCN.

Nice kit you got there, a 2080 is pretty good at 1440p. Nice chart too, you really put a lot of thought into all of it. I too built a PC for my mom. It has an FX-8350, Crosshair V Formula and G.skill TridentX 2400MHz ddr3. GPU is just a $50 GT710 or whatever that we got at Best Buy when her AMD R5 230 fried. She's got a pretty nice Rosewill K85 RGB keyboard with Kailh Blue (clone MX Blue) switches and she loves it for the games she plays. Its in a Silverstone pizza box style case with a Asus V239H IPS 1080p Monitor. She uses it mostly for gaming... Bejeweled 3, Tetris in a 68k Mac emulator, and Kyodai Mahjongg.

What display and resolution are you going to be running on this build? A 2080 is around the same performance as one of my 1080tis and I'm finding mine long in the tooth, I really like the Forza Horizon series and have 4 and 5, and since they are DX12 they only use one card. My res is 3440x1440 144hz and in both games my 1080ti only hits around 80 fps max on Ultra in the ingame benchmark. Most of the time its closer to 65/70 in gameplay. So I'm after a 4090 but I wonder if a 2080 is enough for your res and what you play.

That kb looks great. Kinda jealous. I'd do something like that for my wife and she'd love it but she's an accountant and works 100% remote so she has to have a numpad.

Interesting and I love the case. Its a shame you can't get the side panel on currently. Will be following this since you said you are going to do full watercooling once you get a 6900xt. Good work

Awesome. Yeah I'll keep that in mind. You can actually fit two 360mm radiators in my case including fans but I have no clue where I'd put the pump and res. This is my case, by a manufacturer that is small and has a lot more presence in Europe. (Pronounced ah-nee-days) AI CRYSTAL AR3 - anidess ANIDEES.COM It’s not just a case with glass side panel. Supports E-ATX (12″x13″EEB), ATX, m-ATX, mini-ITX MB. High end... Website is a bit wonky but if you scroll down to the pictures it should give you a little bit of an idea on how cramped it is. If I had one card I could probably put the pump on the right on top of the "basement" but I think with a 360mm rad in the front it kind of limits where you can put the res. Love the case btw, 8mm thick tempered glass, rgb fan controller (though unfortunately the fans use a proprietary connector and HAVE to be plugged into the fan controller to work), sparkly powder coated paint, though I'm not sure if the chassis is steel or aluminum. Take a look around their website, they make some interesting cases. They also make Raspberry Pi cases and I should probably build a RaspPi 4 assuming it has a better GPU and decode functionality since a lot of anime is encoded in x265 or hi10p that my Pi 3b+ can't play in Kodi.

Believe it or not, my current CPU cooler is pretty much competitive with a custom CPU loop cooling wise. I've seen charts years ago that I wouldn't be able to dig up now... It's the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360mm and its not made by Asetek. It has a strong pump and the radiator, while still being aluminum, is 38mm thick compared to like 23mm on something like a Corsair H100. A nice feature of the cooler is it has a small inaudible fan on the block blowing directly down on the socket/VRMs/MOSFETs and RAM. AIO coolers have leveled up quite a bit in the last 3 years or so. I appreciate the offer and will keep it in mind though. I'm just unsure where I'd put something like the res with a three fan long GPU as my case is a midtower, which I pretty much insisted on. We really packed a lot in to the case, two 3 fan gpus and 3 hdds. Your bends look fine to me. That's yet another turn off for me is needing to buy an acetane torch or w/e and practice melting plastic and bending it without making holes in it. If suddenly my hip, neck, and back pain vanished and I were stronger I'd consider it but I'm pretty satisfied with my current cooling (though I did have a interest in doing full watercooling on my current setup since EK makes a full cover block for the 1080ti FTW3 but they are due to be retired now).

That looks fantastic. Mad respect for the hard tubing watercooling and loop. With my pain issues there's just no way for me to be able to do a build like this, mostly because of the maintenance and I probably couldn't carry it with the loop full. Never done custom watercooling. I have some idea how and the theory and could probably do it with soft tubing to start, but pc parts are expensive enough nowadays let alone custom loop components. I'll just be happy if I can get my hands on a RTX 4090. And of course the wife and savings factor into this and why I can't as well She's the one who works, I spend her money so yeah..

Any pictures of your finished build in this thread? What page?

Yes, if you tune your chip for all-core OCs versus boosting single cores higher, you'll get a better score. In my case, with PBO it will only all core boost to 4750 and my CB23 was only around 21k. However, playing games it boosts cores to 5150 quite often (and I've heard without using curve optimizer, PBO2 has a strong bias towards single thread max boost) so I'm happy. I did watch that 30 min video finally on Curve Optimizer and how to use it and test it and it seems extremely tedious, I also personally don't care to run either OCCT, Prime95 or Linpack to test my OCs as they generate heat and put a demand on the processor that I will never see in real world use (my rig is primarily for gaming and I use Linux the rest of the time as my main os/file server/media server... I also don't use Plex so I never need to encode any streams anymore.) Perhaps I will eventually get around to trying and tuning CO and use Handbrake as the test and see if I can get my all core oc boosting higher but overall I am extremely satisfied with my purchase, other than the low infinity fabric clock and slightly slower memory because of it.

For some weird reason it gives better Cinebench scores at lower clocks when OCing this way. I'm unsure why other than I know that with PBO, what you see in HWINFO isn't entirely accurate. It'll show all cores at 4850MHz for example but AMD has said themselves that starting with Ryzen 3000, monitoring tools just don't refresh or work accurately to what the clocks actually are, it is just showing an average whereas the processor is actually changing frequencies hundreds of times in a second. Doing a per-CCX oc locks the chip at those clocks all the time no matter what so they aren't running lower (which we can't see) to stay within thermal margins. That's my theory anyway. I started at 1.33v and 4700/4400 if that helps. Temps in Cinebench were around 70-72c with a 360mm aio. I'd suggest starting there, possibly with less voltage. Also, do note that I passed Cinebench fine but y-cruncher pi-1b caused an instant black screen and system reboot so I was definitely either not stable or exceeded temperatures to the point the chip shut off to prevent damage. Also a tip for Cinebench: run it with Realtime process priority to get a few hundred more points. While its running your system will appear to lock up but just wait and you'll get a better score. Hope this helps

Returned to Amazon. Still waiting for our money to be refunded after a week and a half of them having it....

Just did this with a per-CCX overclock of 4800MHz on CCD0 and 4500MHz on CCD1 with 1.35v. My post code readout showed temps being 75C, I think I might be able to break 24k if I OC CCD0 to 4850 or 4900 and add a bit more voltage.

Hey Sir Beregond, did you ever get around to this? Getting Aida64 and running the memory test. Still wondering why my copy bandwidth is so low and since I believe you said you run your RAM at the same speed as me, I am very curious if your copy bandwidth is higher or not. @Sir Beregond

Pretty sure I am also on 3801.

Well, if you want to mess with per CCX Overclocking, it's always there. I don't blame you, you have a good OC and got a Cinebench score much better than mine (by like 2k points) I myself am unsure why PBO in the AMD menus doesn't work for me. I got my board fairly early after launch of x570 so maybe that's why, who knows.

It shouldn't give you any trouble, just disable all your manual PBO settings in AMD Overclocking. I don't think you even need to turn PBO off or anything as using this feature overrides it. Just don't set a manual voltage anywhere else, set it where it says "Core VID" in the Per CCX menu (otherwise you can end up overvolting the chip). Save your current oc to a profile or something first if you haven't already. EDIT: You can get much higher Cinebench scores overclocking this way vs using PBO. At least I did on my 3900x when it was at 4.4/4.2 instead of PBO.