neurotix

Just wanted to say to everyone, thanks for sharing your experiences with this and I hope everyone gets the care they need medically to have less pain and better quality of life.

Yep, Mint is nice and has a nice selection of window managers to choose from with it's different versions. I personally use it because of Timeshift- system restore for Linux. I've needed to do it a few times after updating the kernel because I have this persistent issue since I run SLI cards where on shutdown, it hangs and gives an error "Xorg: failed to idle channel 2" requiring me to press my rigs reset button. (using Nouveau drivers) Also, your guys desktops look nice but ewww I hate KDE (up until 2021 I was still using Gnome 2 with compiz-renewed or whatever its called. Emerald themes are awesome.) I was actually using mainline Debian but they still use kernel 4 and I don't like that they use Firefox-ESR so Firefox never gets updated. Pretty bad. But I do like Debian not being tied into Canonical and its better if you're a power user, god help you if something breaks with it though. Either way I think you need to try Mint, the rate at which updates come out is rather annoying but maybe theres a higher chance of your issue being fixed. What monitoring tools are you using and what are you doing that requires you to monitor the frequency?

Getting HWBoints for the team, I've pretty much run out of benchmarks I can run for my new CPU that give globals and redid 3D benches that give globals. Maybe I'll run the entire 3dmark suite (Cloud Gate and Ice Storm and all that that don't give globals): /img/logo.png neurotix`s 3DMark11 - Extreme score: 25828 marks with a GeForce GTX 1080 Ti HWBOT.ORG The 2x GeForce GTX 1080 Ti @ 2025/5805MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the 3DMark11 - Extreme benchmark...

Ok thanks. To note, the free version will not show memory copy I think, it'll say trial in a bunch of the boxes. So you'll need a key or other means... Once the program opens its in one of the drop-down menus on the right side and is "Cache and Memory Benchmark"

Hey Sir Beregond, I'm wondering if you could post your AIDA64 cache and memory results if you have the app and a key. I have what seems to be very low Memory Copy results, at least compared to my 3900x where Memory Copy was about as fast or faster than memory read. It was 60/58/62 (Read, Write and Copy) Currently with my 5900x its 58/58/52 and I'm wondering why my memory copy is so low. Thanks for any help in advance @Sir Beregond

These are newer chips, and they may not have the right drivers in linux-firmware package yet. For a long time, even with lm-sensors, my 3900x on a Crosshair VIII Hero also would not work with things like proccesor name or clock speed, these things simply did not work. It took like 2 years before they did. If you look at my conky on the screenshot I provided, you will see that my new 5900x is not reporting the temperature either. Things like this eventually get fixed but I think there need to be kernel updates and updates to the linux-firmware package for your motherboard. I know clock speed is different from temperature monitoring but the reasons I listed probably apply. Just wait and use a distro with kernel 5+ and eventually your problem may be fixed with an update. I would also suggest trying the latest Linux Mint.

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Will probably donate one time on Thursday when wife and I get paid and she gets a phat bonus. She's an accountant for research administration grants at a large university. She's been doing half her bosses job and doing her bosses meetings for months now and it's expected to continue through February at least so she got a raise and another bonus. We also need to donate to a food bank, but this is all gonna depend on if we have to pay my effing sisters rent again this month. Aside from that- maybe meet in the middle and lower the requirement to 50 rep instead of 75? I think if someone has 50 rep they are an active contributor and can be trusted, maybe moreso than 35. If this sounds better to you, maybe that's the way to go. I mean, I have 50 but that's cuz everyone here knows me from OCN and has been generous. A newcomer may have trouble getting 35, let alone 50. And having more people selling stuff in the marketplace benefits the site directly because of the 2% paid to EHW so it's beneficial for paying hosting bills or whatever else the money gets used for.

I know I need to quit smoking, believe you me. I have tried about 40-50 times this year and failed. I have a long list of positive reasons for quitting that we put up on the fridge with a magnet, filled a whole piece of looseleaf paper with benefits to quitting. What usually happens is I give them to my mom (I live with my wife and my retired mom- benefits to that like her grocery shopping and home cooked meals ) and I try and go cold turkey while the carton is hidden away in the bedroom. I try to do things like watch anime or play games to distract myself but the longest I've made it is til 1pm before basically demanding my smokes back. I probably have generalized anxiety disorder though it's not official, so going without my smokes makes me incredibly anxious and I get this overwhelming feeling of things being "not right" if that makes sense. Like, I need to smoke to feel "normal", well as normal as you can be on all the meds I take. I know I need to just deal with the withdrawl symptoms, but I know they never get better for me as I was hospitalized for a month in 2020 and couldn't smoke and still had that feeling of needing a cigarette all the way until I was released, and the first thing I did was light up. Which brings up another point, do you take medications for pain or other conditions and have to deal with side effects? (Question for everyone in general)I have numerous side effects from the medications I take for pain and mental issues. The worst one is I have practically no libido anymore and it's from taking 3 1mg clonazepam daily. I've basically gone monk. And I used to be quite horny all the time, lol. Sorry I didn't reply to you sooner. I actually had to ask my wife what a DVT and PE was. Reading about it just now, it sounds horrible and you lost a lung to it from the PE I assume. This is still going on I assume, is there any treatment available for it? How painful is it? Is it just in your legs? How do you handle working on rigs? Yeah, I tried vaping around 2016 and it's a big no-no for me. I did get one of those fat batteries with a large tank. The problem is I had no self control with it, just like with my smoking, so I was sitting on the couch using it non stop til the tank ran out. It was causing me to have panic attacks and severe anxiety, likely from nicotine overdose. I was also smoking 3 packs a day as well. Thanks for the suggestion though.

Sorry to hear that. I have a sciatica in my left leg as well, mostly going down the outside of it, and mostly caused by the low back issue/nerve roots in the low back. Quite a bit different. I hope things get better for you, and everyone else here and everyone gets the help they need to find some relief.

This sounds horrible. I used to get acid reflux in the middle of the night causing me to wake up coughing if I ate Peanut Butter M&Ms and Doritos right before bed.

I'll take a better picture of it and post it here for you tomorrow. Thanks btw. I also have two Intel posters I got by emailing them years ago and asking, they directed me to an outside company that handles people asking for "schwag". One is a "How Intel makes chips" poster that's pretty cool and educational. Its on the right side of my desk behind my Gundams.

I've considered working out too but generally it worsens my pain. I used to do yoga, qigong (similar to Tai Chi), play basketball, practice martial arts/boxing (still have a heavy bag hung up in my basement), and lift weights (still have a weight bench). I can't really do anything of those things anymore. And I'm not allowed to exercise for 6 weeks... Well 3 more depending on what the doctor says. I also got an exercise bike last year that I've used like twice. Sometimes I feel/think that I am responsible for my own pain and if I exercised regularly I would be better off. Almost like I'm at fault for my own pain because I don't do the stuff I used to do. I'm also a 2 pack to 2 1/2 pack a day smoker and smoke the really strong Natural American Spirit menthol cigs. Which is bad for my pain and anxiety and hastens degenerative disc disease. Not to mention how it would affect me,say, playing basketball. I've gone and done physical therapy as a prerequisite to getting my procedure. Doing the exercises just put me in pain. On the Revised Oswestry Disability Index for low back pain/dysfunction I was a 56 when I started (Severely disabled is 40-60) and when I finished I was a 70 (Crippled is 60-80). Once I can, it would probably be a good idea to at least use the exercise bike for 20 minutes a day or as long as it takes to get me sweaty and winded (10 minutes was not enough).. as aerobic exercise is supposed to help fibromyalgia. I'm sorry to hear about your knees, man. I knew you had back pain but having bad knees sucks. I've blown both of mine out when I was younger playing basketball but it wasn't permanent. Maybe I should look into getting a taller table too.

Japanese PC Engine Core Grafx along with matching controller and Hucard, the credit card sized card that games came on. The system has been completely recapped with Nichicon audio grade capacitors. This is the smallest console ever made at about 5.5x5.5". It is the Japanese version of the TurboGrafx 16. (it competed with the Genesis and SNES). It is a fun little system to have. However, about 90% of its library is shoot em up games, and some tough ones at that. I can't say I've ever cleared any of the games I have for it It cost about $110 when I got it with a controller but no hookups and included like 8 games with the CD size cases. I'm sure they are probably more now.

Thank you for the reply. Some good suggestions too. My case is a midtower but obviously what makes it so heavy is the 38mm radiator + coolant, and 2x FTW3 cards with huge heatsinks.

@damric and possibly other people. Long post incoming. What are your experiences with chronic pain and the hobby of building PCs? What is wrong with you that causes pain and how do you cope with not just building rigs, but with life in pain in general? Personally, I just had a procedure 3 weeks ago called a microdiscotomy, to remove disc material in the low back at L4-L5-S1 (two discs) that were so badly herniated that they were compressed and bulging out to the left, and down over the vertebrae bone. The procedure was supposed to help by removing the disc material that was putting pressure on descending nerve roots causing me to have pain in the low back and going all the way down the outside of my left leg, as well as around the left hip all the way into the groin. So far, the procedure has not helped and I am having pretty serious pain in the left low back daily, though there's been a few days it has been mild. I also have degenerative disc disease and the discs that were operated on are still being crushed by my vertebrae, because of this my surgeon said even with the procedure, I will always have low back pain. On top of that, I have hip pain which is usually worsened/triggered by sitting and the specific thing wrong with my hips is a cam and pincer impingement (overgrowth of bone material of the top of the femur as well as the hip having bone overgrowth), I also have an anterior torn labrum on the left side (a tear in the cartilage that covers the hip joint). Additionally, I have neck pain caused by discs being mildly herniated and crushed on the left side at C4-C7. To top it all off I also have fibromyalgia. I have medicine currently, hydrocodone, gabapentin (for fibromyalgia) and clonazepam so I am generally pretty stoned the majority of my time awake. Unfortunately, none of the pills really help much save for gabapentin- without it I am in horrendous pain all over including the extremities and also have random stabbing pain all over my body. I'm not sure how most people work on their rigs, but generally I take the side panels off, move it into another room and lay it on a table on it's back side, then lean over at the waist (which I can't do for 6 weeks, and generally causes bad low back pain) to work on taking out GPUs, installing them or whatever. I think this is how most people do it if they have a tower, lay it on its back and lean over it to work on it. I can't do this anymore. Recently with my upgrade to a 5900x, having a dud chip and ordering a new one to replace it, my wonderful wife who is also into the hobby did basically all the work of removing side panels, moving it (I can't carry anything while I'm recovering), taking the GPUs out so we have access to the waterblock, she took the block off and cleaned the old chip TIM and cooler TIM... the only thing I helped with was applying the thermal paste and remounting the water block as it has an extremely poor mounting system for AM4 (Arctic Liquid Freezer II) which basically requires you hold the stock AM4 backplate in place from underneath while putting screws through the block and lining them up to go into the holes in the backplate. It basically has no front-side standoffs or anything to hold the backplate in place. So I helped mounting the block, then she put the GPUs back in, moved it back, hooked it up and everything which all requires bending at the waist. I really miss being able to do these things on my own- anytime there's something wrong with my rig, my wife fixes it. I miss being able to test different coolers, thermal pastes and so forth like I did when I used air coolers back in 2012. I miss being able to walk more than about a quarter mile in the neighborhood, let alone go on long walks holding hands with my wife. I used to do soldering, art and other activities that require me to sit in a chair and lean forward at the waist and I generally can't draw or paint anymore, or repair old game systems soldering, so there's also that. Not to mention sometimes my hip or neck pain is so bad that I'm not even able to sit at my rig because its just too painful. Sorry for the wall of text but there's a lot wrong with me. So, this thread is for people to share their experiences, what is wrong with you physically, and how it limits or prevents you from doing the hobby and using your PC. Does it make you depressed or suicidal? How do you cope with it and accept that you have to live a life in pain, and have your activities limited by pain?

How much was it? Maybe if I can sell some of the boards I have that I don't use anymore I could get one, though it looks pricey. You're comparing the switches to MX Reds (I have these in two old boards) so I take it the in house switches are linear, not clicky? (I prefer and love clicky switches). Thanks

So, even with 1.25v SoC I was unable to get the system to post at 3800/1900 fclk. Oh well. Shattered dreams of 4000/2000, and I know my RAM is capable of it. I added +200 in Extreme Tweaker menu, again with PBO Fmax enhancer on and PBO on and left voltage on Auto and I'm still getting all core boosts of 4700MHz+, but now am also getting rare single core boosts of 5150MHz. I am curious about how to use the curve optimizer and how to test it, if someone could link a guide or if Sir Beregond could take time to explain, I would love to see all core boosts of 4850MHz like yours and 5100MHz more often. Thanks in advance.

Since I didn't find a thread for it already, I'll start. Please feel free to direct me to another thread and remove this if there's already an existing thread. My desktop with Cinnamon + custom coded conky (click open in new tab, then click on it to see it full size):

Hey all, My suggestion is to lower the rep requirement for selling items on the marketplace from 75 to 35 (what it was on OCN). Since I've joined, everyone has been very generous and given me quite a bit of rep very fast but I am still below the requirement. You see, I have a ton of tech items I am looking to sell- keyboards, a box of fans, cables, a Asus AC-5300u Tri-Band gaming router (one of the ones with like 8 antennas), a mousepad, a monitor and possibly other items (a Corsair C70 Case but shipping is a no go on that one so it'd have to be local only). I might also sell my custom PSP Go. I know I could pay for bronze and then have access to selling on the marketplace, but.. My other suggestion is to change the donation system to allow one-time donations instead of a recurring donation monthly, as I would be willing to donate $50 or maybe $100 just one time. Thanks for the consideration.

I have one. Got Cherry MX Blue switches.

Oh that's sick. I love it. Especially the lighted palm rest. How much was it and what type of switches does it have?

Alright, new chip is in, preliminary testing leads me to believe there was something wrong/defective with the other one I had. The new chip also will not do anything above 1866MHz Fclk (I have not tried adding SoC voltage beyond 1.125v though) HOWEVER with the RAM at 3733MHz on this chip with all the same timings I get 56ns latency in AIDA64 vs 58ns with the other chip. All I've done so far is enable PBO and PBO Fmax Enhancer in Extreme Tweaker, and I am getting all-core boost of 4750MHz, which causes my system to hit 70C and all my fans to hit 100%. With the old one and those two features enabled, it would only hit 4650MHz and sit at 55C with plenty of thermal headroom, and nothing I did in either PBO menu would get me all core boosts more than 4650MHz. As a result, my CPU-Z multicore score is a few hundred points higher, I have not tried Cinebench R23 yet. Single core it is still only boosting to 4950MHz (I have not added +200 in the Extreme Tweaker menu) yet I get a single core score in CPU-Z bench that's 30 points higher than with the previous chip. So far, I'm happy (just wish I could overclock my RAM higher) and will have more time to play around with it next week.

CO is on Auto, yes.