EVGA Exiting GPU Market, Citing Abusive Treatment by NVIDIA as Reason

[bonami2]

 

Good News!

 

 

 

 

Post-EVGA, Kingpin Seems Open to New Hardware Partnerships | Tom's Hardware

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What the EVGA bombshell means for the Kingpin sub-brand

 

Edited September 22, 2022 by bonami2

[Avacado]

6 hours ago, bonami2 said:

 

Good News!

 

 

 

 

Post-EVGA, Kingpin Seems Open to New Hardware Partnerships | Tom's Hardware

WWW.TOMSHARDWARE.COM

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What the EVGA bombshell means for the Kingpin sub-brand

 

Galax for my Galax HOF 4090Ti Kingpin 

 

[bonami2]

1 hour ago, Avacado said:

Galax for my Galax HOF 4090Ti Kingpin 

 

 

 

 

I want a MSI Lightning Kingpin

 

 

 

[Sir Beregond]

1 hour ago, Avacado said:

Galax for my Galax HOF 4090Ti Kingpin 

 

As long as one can buy it in the NA market.

[Avacado]

7 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

As long as one can buy it in the NA market.

I'll make my EU friend ship it to me. 

[Avacado]

I present to you the "Zopad" made exclusively by @zodac. 

 

Edited September 22, 2022 by Avacado

[Bastiaan_NL]

That's exactly what I thought it looks like

[Avacado]

10 minutes ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

That's exactly what I thought it looks like

So I watched the GN video on all of the cards coming out and they are awful. I don't think i'll be buying a 4090. Maybe the Ti's will be different

[Bastiaan_NL]

A waterblock fixes a lot of issues, like bad looking large chunks of cooler..

[Avacado]

3 minutes ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

A waterblock fixes a lot of issues, like bad looking large chunks of cooler..

Then, that Zotac had a 24 phase VRM....

[Sir Beregond]

I am just not buying period. I didn't get this 3080 Ti to just spend an arm and a leg again.

 

I'll see what 50-series and RX 8000 end up looking like. Being 4k now, I'm guessing I won't have the same service life as I did on my 980 at 1080p, but the pricing is out of hand for an upgrade every gen.

[EHW Ai]

I admit I'm not that smart so I may not understand this but this seems like the stupidest * thing you a CEO can do. I can understand hating Nivida and wanting nothing to do with them, the part I can't wrap my brain around is the refusal to work with AMD or Intel on GPU's. They somehow expect to survive selling rebranded PSU's, crappy mice & keyboards and MB's with the Dark among the best but release 6+ months after everyone else so most have already jumped on another brand.

 

I have no hope the company will last 3+ years. I expect them to be dead before that. Only have 8+ years left on my KPE warranty, that'll be worthless soon. After the debacle I went through for this gen I'm not upgrading anytime soon. EVGA was my first choice for a GPU, now I'll just follow Kingpin and upgrade maybe with the 6xxx series. 

 

 

[Avacado]

28 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

I am just not buying period. I didn't get this 3080 Ti to just spend an arm and a leg again.

 

I'll see what 50-series and RX 8000 end up looking like. Being 4k now, I'm guessing I won't have the same service life as I did on my 980 at 1080p, but the pricing is out of hand for an upgrade every gen.

 

8 minutes ago, Outsider said:

I admit I'm not that smart so I may not understand this but this seems like the stupidest * thing you a CEO can do. I can understand hating Nivida and wanting nothing to do with them, the part I can't wrap my brain around is the refusal to work with AMD or Intel on GPU's. They somehow expect to survive selling rebranded PSU's, crappy mice & keyboards and MB's with the Dark among the best but release 6+ months after everyone else so most have already jumped on another brand.

 

I have no hope the company will last 3+ years. I expect them to be dead before that. Only have 8+ years left on my KPE warranty, that'll be worthless soon. After the debacle I went through for this gen I'm not upgrading anytime soon. EVGA was my first choice for a GPU, now I'll just follow Kingpin and upgrade maybe with the 6xxx series. 

 

 

Same boat. I know that @Bastiaan_NLwill be jumping on the 4090, but I will not. We used to say it was our hobby and that we would have spent it on something else. But I feel that that comment is no longer relevant at $1600. I'm priced out of my pricey hobby. I'll pick up a 3090Ti someday maybe a year or 2 from now. Makes me really sad to see the state of tech right now. Now that EVGA is out of the GPU market I find myself not wanting any of the garbage that is left to buy. Seriously, just look at what is coming out from the other manufacturers. 

Edited September 22, 2022 by Avacado

[Bastiaan_NL]

I'd like to bench a 4090 but not sure about keeping it. 

[Avacado]

Think I'm going to stick to the old stuff and hug my 3070Ti

[Sir Beregond]

37 minutes ago, Outsider said:

I admit I'm not that smart so I may not understand this but this seems like the stupidest * thing you a CEO can do. I can understand hating Nivida and wanting nothing to do with them, the part I can't wrap my brain around is the refusal to work with AMD or Intel on GPU's. They somehow expect to survive selling rebranded PSU's, crappy mice & keyboards and MB's with the Dark among the best but release 6+ months after everyone else so most have already jumped on another brand.

 

I have no hope the company will last 3+ years. I expect them to be dead before that. Only have 8+ years left on my KPE warranty, that'll be worthless soon. After the debacle I went through for this gen I'm not upgrading anytime soon. EVGA was my first choice for a GPU, now I'll just follow Kingpin and upgrade maybe with the 6xxx series. 

 

 

Yeah I get real strong BFG vibes.

 

I also perused their Glassdoor profile to see what the employees were saying and that didn't inspire much confidence.

 

32 minutes ago, Avacado said:

 

Same boat. I know that @Bastiaan_NLwill be jumping on the 4090, but I will not. We used to say it was our hobby and that we would have spent it on something else. But I feel that that comment is no longer relevant at $1600. I'm priced out of my pricey hobby. I'll pick up a 3090Ti someday maybe a year or 2 from now. Makes me really sad to see the state of tech right now. Now that EVGA is out of the GPU market I find myself not wanting any of the garbage that is left to buy. Seriously, just look at what is coming out from the other manufacturers. 

$1600 is way beyond the pale. I didn't spend $1200 on this 3080 Ti either to be clear. I got it from a trade and a little cash, but still well below that number.

Edited September 22, 2022 by Sir Beregond

[iamjanco]

I'm reserving judgement until the 4090ti is released. Who knows, by then, it might become @The Pook's 4090ti.

[N2 Gaming]

I'd like to give credit where credit is due.  EVGA is calling Nvidia out on their BS business tactics as more should do.  If they survive this great if not it's just sign of the times.  Who don't remember having issues with DFI when they took a turn or OCZ or Foxcon, epox etc.  Nvidia can only get so big before they get knocked off the shelf.  I won't lie I'm an Nvidia Fanboy going way back to ever since No ATi Card has ever worked flawlessly for me.  I think Nvidia is banking on knowing the market is going to be getting tight here pretty soon if the economy keeps on tanking and is going to be relying on people with money willing to pay what ever required to get the latest and greatest hardware.  Fry's out of business, Circuit City out of business, Sears/KMart going if not already out of business.  It happens but unless paying customers put their foot down and say no more by spending the $$$ elsewhere then these big greedy conglomerates keep getting away with it and prices keep soaring out of control. 

 

I'd love a new EVGA 4090 Ti FTW3 GPU but I know MSI, Asus, Gigabyte and others will put out cards very capable to take up the slack.  Unless people globally band together and say no more then you can expect nothing to change.    I'm not sure about how y'all handle politics here but I think it has a lot to do with it and what is in our near future O.o  Basically in my opinion worrying about EVGA is peanuts compared to what may be on the horizon.

 

edit:  I just googled remaining open Sears stores.  I'm in Stockton California and we still have one of the remaining 4 stores open in California.  I know off topic but sorta related if peeps are thinking EVGA is tanking

Edited September 23, 2022 by N2 Gaming

[J7SC_Orion]

...now I really want to see some spy pics of the not-to-be EVGA 4090 FTW3, so that I can compare '''beauty shots''' w/ below.  Custom water-blocks to the rescue

 

 

 

  

@Bastiaan_NL      ....get one of these inno3D 4090 Frostbite  (only 200mm wide) and put it into an Asus 670E Gene w/ DDR5 A-die 

 

Edited September 23, 2022 by J7SC_Orion

[Bastiaan_NL]

10 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

...now I really want to see some spy pics of the not-to-be EVGA 4090 FTW3, so that I can compare '''beauty shots''' w/ below.  Custom water-blocks to the rescue

  

@Bastiaan_NL      ....get one of these inno3D 4090 Frostbite  (only 200mm wide) and put it into an Asus 670E Gene w/ DDR5 A-die 

 

Of all those cards, I still ike the Zotac cooler design the most (as weird as it looks)... But I would still put a waterblock on it

I'm always afraid that they sacrifice some board quality when they try to make a card that small. I know that the passthrough design leaves a lot of the PCB space unoccupied but still I feel like there is more hardware on the PCB.
For now the Zotac card is on top of my list, let's hope they deliver quality..

[Sir Beregond]

5 hours ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

Of all those cards, I still ike the Zotac cooler design the most (as weird as it looks)... But I would still put a waterblock on it

I'm always afraid that they sacrifice some board quality when they try to make a card that small. I know that the passthrough design leaves a lot of the PCB space unoccupied but still I feel like there is more hardware on the PCB.
For now the Zotac card is on top of my list, let's hope they deliver quality..

My buddy's son has a Zotac 1080 Ti and it's still working what...6 years later? So guess it is working out fine.

 

I don't otherwise know much about them. I had bought a Zotac 3070 on a drop in Feb 2021 before prices really started to skyrocket. At the time it was basically MSRP ($550?) + the tariff from Jan 2021. But I ended up trading it, water block, an old radiator (and a slight bit of $$$) for this 3080 Ti.

 

I also wonder about long term having such a compact board for such a powerful card. This FE 3080 Ti is denser in board components then any card I've ever had before.

Edited September 23, 2022 by Sir Beregond

[J7SC_Orion]

6 hours ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

Of all those cards, I still ike the Zotac cooler design the most (as weird as it looks)... But I would still put a waterblock on it

I'm always afraid that they sacrifice some board quality when they try to make a card that small. I know that the passthrough design leaves a lot of the PCB space unoccupied but still I feel like there is more hardware on the PCB.
For now the Zotac card is on top of my list, let's hope they deliver quality..

 

...I water-cool all CPUs and GPUs anyway, but with a 500W card (up to 675W when looking at some of the RTX 4K specs), it would be foolish not to, what with boost algorithms <> temps and all that. Also, PCBs are shrinking - below is the latest NVidia H100 (enterprise-level) with way > 500W. It is even smaller as it carries yummy HBM3  but on the consumer 4090s (& presumably 4090 Ti) w/GDDR6X, the PCBs have been shrinking also as VRAM is moved inwards and much closer to the chip die, and the phases have become even more powerful. Anyway, unless for 'artistic expression', I figure that most vendors' full water-block models (and aftermarket suppliers) will conform more or less to the (reduced) width of this gen's PCB. I think it is a great idea to have a full copper block covering the whole thing, and all within 200 mm

 

[Avacado]

1 hour ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

...I water-cool all CPUs and GPUs anyway, but with a 500W card (up to 675W when looking at some of the RTX 4K specs), it would be foolish not to, what with boost algorithms <> temps and all that. Also, PCBs are shrinking - below is the latest NVidia H100 (enterprise-level) with way > 500W. It is even smaller as it carries yummy HBM3  but on the consumer 4090s (& presumably 4090 Ti) w/GDDR6X, the PCBs have been shrinking also as VRAM is moved inwards and much closer to the chip die, and the phases have become even more powerful. Anyway, unless for 'artistic expression', I figure that most vendors' full water-block models (and aftermarket suppliers) will conform more or less to the (reduced) width of this gen's PCB. I think it is a great idea to have a full copper block covering the whole thing, and all within 200 mm

 

Agree. Moving forward, if I do plan to get anymore waterblocks either for CPU or GPU the will HAVE to be copper only. I am moving away from Nickel. 

[The Pook]

 

 

[tictoc]

The last twenty minutes of that video is basically what mostly pushed me away from NVIDIA.  That coupled with NVIDIA's disregard for open source GPU drivers, and more importantly open source user-space, has made it easy for me to mostly (still have a number of NVIDIA GPUs running) move away from NVIDIA for my personal machines and projects.  With AMD I can easily have things like this on my Radeon VIIs:

 

 

As far as the overall topic is concerned, I hope to see EVGA make a return to manufacturing a high quantity of top-of-the-line PSUs like the SuperNOVA G2 1300.  I still have two of these running, and they have been going more or less 24/7 at 90+% capacity for nine years (still one year left on the warranty ).