Ryzen 7000 / Zen 4 Owner's Club

[J7SC_Orion]

3 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

 

Do you have a link to those files?

 

... > here you go 

[ENTERPRISE]

18 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

... > here you go 

Thanks bud! 

 

Quick question, regarding per core CO. What are you using to single out each individual core for the sakes of testing stability?

[J7SC_Orion]

3 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

Thanks bud! 

 

Quick question, regarding per core CO. What are you using to single out each individual core for the sakes of testing stability?

 

There are a couple of other tools available such as CoreCycler, but I just use Process Lasso which I got back in the TR 2950X days; so I'm used to it.

[kaliz]

4 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

Thanks bud! 

 

Quick question, regarding per core CO. What are you using to single out each individual core for the sakes of testing stability?

OCCT has some good tests to test per core

[ENTERPRISE]

2 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

There are a couple of other tools available such as CoreCycler, but I just use Process Lasso which I got back in the TR 2950X days; so I'm used to it.

 

1 hour ago, kaliz said:

OCCT has some good tests to test per core

Thanks guys

[neurotix]

So, I did try to overclock my RAM on AGESA 1.0.0.8 again. Was trying for 8000MHz again with looser timings and more voltage.

 

I even tried raising CAS from 36 to 38 and then 40, and memtestCL would still throw errors right away. I was using these suggested settings from kaliz:

 

 

I left tRDRDSD, tRDRDDD, etc alone and at the values shown by ZenTimings, as opposed to setting those all to 1. Otherwise, I used the looser suggested timings. I also left tRFCs higher instead of kaliz suggestion of 600 for each.

 

I don't know if it's the kit, my IMC, my CPU or what but I cannot get stable at 8000MHz.

 

Just figured I'd share. Don't get your hopes up too high for when 1.0.0.8 drops for your guys' Gigabyte boards.

Edited November 5, 2023 by neurotix

[neurotix]

Also found out that with the exact same settings, I'm getting less performance from my RAM and higher latency.

 

 

Compared to that, today I was only getting 96GB/sec Read and Write and the latency was 63.7.

[Hurricane28]

@neurotix, interesting.

 

Anyone tried and can confirm this: 

 

[J7SC_Orion]

1 hour ago, Hurricane28 said:

@neurotix, interesting.

 

Anyone tried and can confirm this: 

 

 

I run 8, 8 anyways but Buldzoid edited the subject later by adding "(AMD works differently)"

 

EDIT: Zen for my current daily (non-bench) setting, stress tested. FYI, 7950X3D tend to have higher binned cores and IMC - though it still also comes down to mobo topography and RAM type. In terms of performance, the CL30 6400 1/1 setting gets closest to this one

 

Edited November 6, 2023 by J7SC_Orion

[Hurricane28]

26 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

I run 8, 8 anyways but Buldzoid edited the subject later by adding "(AMD works differently)"

 

Okay, 

 

I run them at 5, 5. 

 

Its these settings, correct?

 

 

[J7SC_Orion]

9 minutes ago, Hurricane28 said:

 

Okay, 

 

I run them at 5, 5. 

 

Its these settings, correct?

 

 

 

...seem tight to me, but if it works w/o errors than they must be ok.  Better ask @kaliz though as most of my experience is with 1:2 ~ 8000

[neurotix]

Hey @J7SC_Orion

 

Is the Gigabyte board you have T-Topology or Daisy Chain? What specific board is it?

 

I highly consider replacing my motherboard because of the 2nd CCD not boosting issue. I think it may also be Daisy Chain Topology, I know for a fact that the Crosshair VIII Hero in my partners rig is, so I'm guessing that's what my Strix X670E-E is.

 

I wonder if T-Topology works better for these 2x24 SR DIMMs.

[Hurricane28]

3 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

...seem tight to me, but if it works w/o errors than they must be ok.  Better ask @kaliz though as most of my experience is with 1:2 ~ 8000

Running fine and passed everything i throw at it. 

 

Pretty happy tbh.

[Hurricane28]

19 minutes ago, neurotix said:

Hey @J7SC_Orion

 

Is the Gigabyte board you have T-Topology or Daisy Chain? What specific board is it?

 

I highly consider replacing my motherboard because of the 2nd CCD not boosting issue. I think it may also be Daisy Chain Topology, I know for a fact that the Crosshair VIII Hero in my partners rig is, so I'm guessing that's what my Strix X670E-E is.

 

I wonder if T-Topology works better for these 2x24 SR DIMMs.

 

I never buy Asus ROG motherboards again.. Ton of issues with them and they do not care about their customers man. 

Went Gigabyte and couldn't be more happy tbh. 

 

ROG is just over priced for what you get too and their software is the worst in the world. 

 

Sorry, no hate just observation and personal experience with the brand. 

[neurotix]

1 hour ago, Hurricane28 said:

 

I never buy Asus ROG motherboards again.. Ton of issues with them and they do not care about their customers man. 

Went Gigabyte and couldn't be more happy tbh. 

 

ROG is just over priced for what you get too and their software is the worst in the world. 

 

Sorry, no hate just observation and personal experience with the brand. 

I love my board except for the boosting issue, as well as being unable to do 8000MHz stable on RAM (Which could actually be the IMC or the DIMMs and not the board).

 

I've bought nothing but ROG/Asus boards since 2012 or so. The Crosshair VIII Hero was pretty rocky on launch in 2019 when I first got it and was an early adopter. Boot times of a minute and a half. No color coding for voltages depending on severity (yellow for slight voltage increase, purple for highish voltage, and red for LN2 level voltages). Eventually they implemented that and fixed the boot time.

 

I agree their support is terrible and they force you to use the MyAsus app now, Armoury Crate sucks and is necessary for Aura Creator (RGB software) to work, and so forth.

 

I actually contacted them through the MyAsus app about half a year ago and explained the 2nd CCD on my board won't go over 5200MHz in any benchmark where previously I had it at 5650, they basically had me downgrade my bios from a beta one to the next oldest version, that didn't fix it. Then they had me clear CMOS and that didn't work either and they told me they didn't know what to do to fix it.

 

Problem with getting a new mobo is I'll take a loss selling the old one and my fiance won't agree to it atm as she'd be the one putting it in. I have asked for too much pc stuff recently already, and I have multiple severe pain conditions that prevent me from putting it together myself meaning she would have to do it and there's no way she'd be willing atm. She just wants me to wait for a bios update to fix it.

[J7SC_Orion]

3 hours ago, neurotix said:

I love my board except for the boosting issue, as well as being unable to do 8000MHz stable on RAM (Which could actually be the IMC or the DIMMs and not the board).

 

I've bought nothing but ROG/Asus boards since 2012 or so. The Crosshair VIII Hero was pretty rocky on launch in 2019 when I first got it and was an early adopter. Boot times of a minute and a half. No color coding for voltages depending on severity (yellow for slight voltage increase, purple for highish voltage, and red for LN2 level voltages). Eventually they implemented that and fixed the boot time.

 

I agree their support is terrible and they force you to use the MyAsus app now, Armoury Crate sucks and is necessary for Aura Creator (RGB software) to work, and so forth.

 

I actually contacted them through the MyAsus app about half a year ago and explained the 2nd CCD on my board won't go over 5200MHz in any benchmark where previously I had it at 5650, they basically had me downgrade my bios from a beta one to the next oldest version, that didn't fix it. Then they had me clear CMOS and that didn't work either and they told me they didn't know what to do to fix it.

 

Problem with getting a new mobo is I'll take a loss selling the old one and my fiance won't agree to it atm as she'd be the one putting it in. I have asked for too much pc stuff recently already, and I have multiple severe pain conditions that prevent me from putting it together myself meaning she would have to do it and there's no way she'd be willing atm. She just wants me to wait for a bios update to fix it.

 

I am not sure whether the 'second CCD boosting' issue would be solved by a new mobo. What is more, there is no guarantee that your CPU itself can run 8000 error-free on another board. Honestly, I would either swap my CPU, or more likely wait for the Ryzen 8K series which is already in engineering sample mode.

[ENTERPRISE]

Now messing around with CO. Now working on per CO.

 

[J7SC_Orion]

7 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

Now messing around with CO. Now working on per CO.

 

  

I just started using that app... I had finished my regular-speed COs the old-fashioned way but now, for additional eclk settings, that app is really handy and also quicker (fewer reboots).

[Hurricane28]

8 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

Now messing around with CO. Now working on per CO.

 

why not using Ryzen master instead tho? 

 

I used it before and it can do wonders. 

[J7SC_Orion]

6 minutes ago, Hurricane28 said:

why not using Ryzen master instead tho? 

 

I used it before and it can do wonders. 

 

IMO, too much overhead (and also AMD data siphoning). Once installed, it keeps a process open and reported task manager even when you tuned it off and do not have Ryzen Master auto-loading at start. Only uninstalling Ryzen Master will get rid off that extra process in task manager.

[kaliz]

Was messing around with my non X3D CPU still trying to beat the topscore in PYPrime 2b. A japanese guy with 7700X @6GHz has 8,832S 

 

with 5775MHz and 8400C43 at 105 bclk it was still able to boot with 2 cores , so after quicly starting benchmate this one popped out. 

 

 

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kaliz`s PYPrime - 2b with BenchMate score: 8sec 742ms with a DDR5 SDRAM

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[Hurricane28]

54 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

IMO, too much overhead (and also AMD data siphoning). Once installed, it keeps a process open and reported task manager even when you tuned it off and do not have Ryzen Master auto-loading at start. Only uninstalling Ryzen Master will get rid off that extra process in task manager.

Aha okay, did not know that. I used it for a while then i got bored cos on paper it looks nice but i did not see any gains so i just left the CPU at stock just as i do now lol. 

 

The only overclock for me would be running 5.750GHz but it won't run it cos i already checked it. 5.5 maybe 5.6GHz all core but that is like 500MHz higher than what i already have. Running 5.5GHz most of the time anyway when needed. 

[Hurricane28]

well just as i expected, my system became unstable again for no apparent reason...

 

I passed every stress test but all of a sudden system became unstable first my mouse cursor became erratic than i when i did sfc /scannow it had corruption which is repaired. 

 

Now my system hang 2 times on me.. 

 

What can this be? I mean, i did not change anything at all... It was so stable too i don't get it. 

[J7SC_Orion]

1 hour ago, Hurricane28 said:

well just as i expected, my system became unstable again for no apparent reason...

 

I passed every stress test but all of a sudden system became unstable first my mouse cursor became erratic than i when i did sfc /scannow it had corruption which is repaired. 

 

Now my system hang 2 times on me.. 

 

What can this be? I mean, i did not change anything at all... It was so stable too i don't get it. 

  

On prior AMD boards, this could be due to USB population with earlier bios, but I heave not heard anything re. that on AM5

[neurotix]

Any answer about T-Topology vs Daisy Chain that I asked about?

Edited November 7, 2023 by neurotix