Ryzen 7000 / Zen 4 Owner's Club

[Hurricane28]

8 minutes ago, neurotix said:

You could try replacing the motherboard to another brand maybe. Or just deal with the reboots when they happen, if they happen like once a month or something.

 

Maybe, but there is not that many mobo's lol. I do like the MSI MPG X670E CARBON WIFI tho but that one has Audio issues with the audio chip. 

 

The only one left is the ROG boards but the risk of having another bad experience with ROG is high and their software Armory Crate is still horrible i heard. 

[neurotix]

Yeah Armory Crate is terribad and forced on you if you have any interest in RGB control, you have to use their Aura Creator app unless you have another solution like a fan/rgb controller box.

 

 

[Hurricane28]

9 minutes ago, neurotix said:

Yeah Armory Crate is terribad and forced on you if you have any interest in RGB control, you have to use their Aura Creator app unless you have another solution like a fan/rgb controller box.

 

 

 

Sadly every motherboard vendor does poor job on the software of controlling RGB/Fans. 

 

Gigabyte GCC is not much better but less issues than Crate imo. I do like SignalRGB for RGB etc. tho. Works nicely. 

[neurotix]

What about ASRock Taichi?

[Hurricane28]

1 minute ago, neurotix said:

What about ASRock Taichi?

Was looking at that one actually but also got Intel Killer 2.5G problem Nic. 

 

 

[ENTERPRISE]

I can vouch for the MSI Meg Ace being a really nice board to work with, ultimately I have had no issues.

[J7SC_Orion]

My two MSI (Threadripper) boards that have not given me any issues, either - neither has the ROG X570 (below right) or Aorus 670E (below left, complete with Intel NIC). Heck, I even put two different mobo brands in one case .  

 

Typically, I opt for the lower / middle offering of the top-tier segment with mobos...the X670E Aorus Master for example shares the 8-layer PCB with the 670E Aorus Xtreme which helps greatly with DDR5 overclocking. As already posted before, none of my four 16C / 32 T AMD procs over four different gens and using three different mobo vendors has given me any trouble, even with hefty oc settings for each.  Using good RAM (GSkill Intel-XMP spec) also helps, IMO.

 

 

 
Update: all 4 gens of AMD Ryzen 16C/32T, all oc'ed and problem-free

 

Edited November 16, 2023 by J7SC_Orion

[Hurricane28]

9 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

I can vouch for the MSI Meg Ace being a really nice board to work with, ultimately I have had no issues.

 

That's a really nice board indeed. I was looking at that one too or the MSI MPG X670E CARBON WIFI The Meg Ace also has the best LAN controller from marvell.

 

Its waaay to overpriced tho, the Intel variant z790 is like 300 Euro's cheaper here for no reason.. 

It also has an 10G LAN which i never gonna use but that drivers the price up by a lot.

Edited November 16, 2023 by Hurricane28
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[JLuiz]

Hey guys, I'm new here and new to mem overclocking too.

 

Spent the last two days tweaking my Corsair CMH64GX5M2B6400C32 kit and the below is the best I got so far. This is a 7950x on a Asus Hero. 

 

I´m scratching my head because I just cannot set UCLK=MCLK... Am I missing something here? Hear something about 3ghz being the floor for UCLK on AGESA 1.0.0.8.. is that so?

 

Any additional advices/suggestions on my settings?

 

[J7SC_Orion]

5 hours ago, JLuiz said:

Hey guys, I'm new here and new to mem overclocking too.

 

Spent the last two days tweaking my Corsair CMH64GX5M2B6400C32 kit and the below is the best I got so far. This is a 7950x on a Asus Hero. 

 

I´m scratching my head because I just cannot set UCLK=MCLK... Am I missing something here? Hear something about 3ghz being the floor for UCLK on AGESA 1.0.0.8.. is that so?

 

Any additional advices/suggestions on my settings?

 

 

What is the highest DDR5 speed you can get with 1:1 ?

 

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Found a bit more speed re. tRTDS  & tFAW  (8000, 1:2)

 

Edited November 19, 2023 by J7SC_Orion

[kaliz]

21 hours ago, JLuiz said:

Hey guys, I'm new here and new to mem overclocking too.

 

Spent the last two days tweaking my Corsair CMH64GX5M2B6400C32 kit and the below is the best I got so far. This is a 7950x on a Asus Hero. 

 

I´m scratching my head because I just cannot set UCLK=MCLK... Am I missing something here? Hear something about 3ghz being the floor for UCLK on AGESA 1.0.0.8.. is that so?

 

Any additional advices/suggestions on my settings?

 

 

 

Have you been able to set memclk : uclk in 1:1 at all? And if so at what speed? Does it work at 6000? And have you tried raising MEM VDD and VDDQ to 1,5v or so? With the timings you have set, maybe loosen up RRDS/L to 8-8 tFAW 32, with tWTRS/L 24-6

[neurotix]

If you can, run CAS 30 and bring the other primaries down to 36. So like 30-36-36-36-108.

 

This should help a lot with your latency, which is quite high, assuming you can do it.

[Hurricane28]

Man, it happened again...

 

Stable AF for days and all of a sudden i get enormous lag in everything.. 

 

I flashed to an Stable BIOS F11 which is stable but nothing works. 

 

What can i do about this issue persisting and what do ineed to change? I tried everything but nothing works. 

 

System didn't even wanna boot and i had to reset BIOS...

[neurotix]

Bro, I think you may be at the end of the line. A lot of people have tried to help you and made numerous posts to help you diagnose your system, and to be honest I have no idea anymore how to help you, and I'm sure some others here feel the same way.

 

Sorry but I think you should just sell your system and get a new build.

[Hurricane28]

16 minutes ago, neurotix said:

Bro, I think you may be at the end of the line. A lot of people have tried to help you and made numerous posts to help you diagnose your system, and to be honest I have no idea anymore how to help you, and I'm sure some others here feel the same way.

 

Sorry but I think you should just sell your system and get a new build.

 

Great help man.. Make it even worse by commenting like this.. 

 

Did i not try everything you guys wanted me to? 

 

I passed every stresstest program i have installed and all of a sudden it becomes unstable.. Just as Jay had.. 

 

Perhaps you right to sell it man, i have enough of this AMD cancer man.. I don't have time for this bs all the time.. 

 

[neurotix]

Maybe I'm wrong about others wanting to help you, I'm sorry I was not trying to make it worse, but just give you the truth.

 

I would flash back to whatever you had before, then set your OC settings, and deal with the sporadic crashing. It's annoying yes and stupid but remember the story I told you about my old FX-8350 @ 5ghz and it locking up sporadically. Also remember my boost problems with my current 7900X3D. I just dealt/deal with it.

Edited November 20, 2023 by neurotix

[Hurricane28]

22 minutes ago, neurotix said:

Maybe I'm wrong about others wanting to help you, I'm sorry I was not trying to make it worse, but just give you the truth.

 

I would flash back to whatever you had before, then set your OC settings, and deal with the sporadic crashing. It's annoying yes and stupid but remember the story I told you about my old FX-8350 @ 5ghz and it locking up sporadically. Also remember my boost problems with my current 7900X3D. I just dealt/deal with it.

I am sorry its not any of us fault here, ita AMD man. 

 

So many people have problems with it that its not an incident but its repeatable. A Friend of mine had an AMD Expo 6000MHz Kit and it wouldn't even boot.. 

 

AMD needs to fire their BIOS department cos they have no idea what they are doing as half of the settings don't even work or make things worse. 

OR, the AMD Ryzen is an erratic architecture to begin with cos so many people have the same issues as me and across the line from x370 all the way now to x670.. 

The BIOS also doesn't remember my settings sometimes and the memory training takes like 5min which is ridiculous.. 

 

This is ridiculous and needs to stop. If it helped i would send AMD feedback with all the results of my testing but i did that with Ryzen 1600x CPU but i never got an answer back.. They don't seem to care man. 

 

I have set the RAM to xmp 6400 and not touch anything anymore until i sold it, already have put it up for sale so if any poor basterd feels lucky enough be my guest lol. 

 

Im gonna make an video and post it on my YouTube channel about this. 

 

 

[neurotix]

More people are happy with Ryzen or only have minor problems than people with issues like yours. I think that says a lot. AMD's chips are flying off the shelves right now, not Intels.

Edited November 20, 2023 by neurotix

[ENTERPRISE]

19 minutes ago, neurotix said:

More people are happy with Ryzen or only have minor problems than people with issues like yours. I think that says a lot. AMD's chips are flying off the shelves right now, not Intels.

 

Majority of people are indeed happy with Ryzen systems, but they are certainly not flawless and I have had some teething issues BUT that can be put down to the AM5 platform being relatively new. However I do understand the frustrations as ultimately you would like things to just "work" lol. All in all, while I cannot speak for the current Intel platforms, AM5 is not 100% plug and play, hopefully as the platform matures, it will be easier.

[Sir Beregond]

31 minutes ago, Hurricane28 said:

I am sorry its not any of us fault here, ita AMD man. 

 

So many people have problems with it that its not an incident but its repeatable. A Friend of mine had an AMD Expo 6000MHz Kit and it wouldn't even boot.. 

 

AMD needs to fire their BIOS department cos they have no idea what they are doing as half of the settings don't even work or make things worse. 

OR, the AMD Ryzen is an erratic architecture to begin with cos so many people have the same issues as me and across the line from x370 all the way now to x670.. 

The BIOS also doesn't remember my settings sometimes and the memory training takes like 5min which is ridiculous.. 

 

This is ridiculous and needs to stop. If it helped i would send AMD feedback with all the results of my testing but i did that with Ryzen 1600x CPU but i never got an answer back.. They don't seem to care man. 

 

I have set the RAM to xmp 6400 and not touch anything anymore until i sold it, already have put it up for sale so if any poor basterd feels lucky enough be my guest lol. 

 

Im gonna make an video and post it on my YouTube channel about this. 

 

 

Let's be honest...Ryzen is nothing more than AMD consumerizing server architecture. I get how this multi-chip design has really saved their bacon in terms of being able to have a wide range of consumer SKUs built off of just an I/O die and one or more CCD's that both by nature of not being monolithic make it pretty cheap to build. But the drawbacks are certainly there.

 

For the most part I feel AMD is winning in terms of value, price, power efficiency, etc. But they definitely lose in many areas too. As far as I am concerned the split CCD design of the 7900X3D and 7950X3D is some hot garbage that still doesn't quite work right with the Windows scheduler without some hacky workarounds. I get there are some who have found value in the split design, but I really don't know what they were thinking with these SKUs, especially the 7900X3D.

 

Other than that, anytime you have to cross the infinity fabric between CCD's you definitely incur some latency penalties, and memory stability has been pretty well documented at this point.

 

I don't know, AMD has a lot going right for them, but they got a lot of work to do in other areas. 

 

I think the other reason for AMD's popularity is also just the fact Intel dropped the ball and had too many mistakes along the way to try to course correct - if it was good enough, most mainstream folks were happy to ditch Intel given many years of mediocre releases with single digital gains and 4-cores forever following Haswell.

 

As for me, I gave it a shot with my 5900X and I'm pretty happy with it as a daily use PC that I don't mess with too much. Power draw is good and not outrageous, thermals are good, performance is good, but good god I gotta say trying to do overclocking on AMD is quite boring as a lot of it just ends up being PBO and messing with curve optimizer and the infinity fabric limits what my DDR4 kit could probably actually do. So its great as a daily driver, but I don't care for tinkering/overclocking on it.

[neurotix]

Other than selling it you could look into individual components one by one. I'd start with replacing the motherboard first, and if that doesn't work then replace the RAM, once these are replaced if the issue still occurs you should look into your power supply.

 

I wonder if it could be the PSU now, you're drawing too much wattage and its OCP is kicking in and rebooting the rig? I dunno.

Edited November 20, 2023 by neurotix

[kaliz]

just set VDD voltage 0,1v higher every time you boot,  or disable memory context restore. If you let the system train every time you boot you wont have issues.

[J7SC_Orion]

...I still have more Intel systems than the four AMD and sometimes, both vendors' products can frustrate, usually down to a voltage and/or USB issue.  In my overall experience, AMD is quite good - for my AMD Ryzen  CPUs, I use mobos from MSI, Asus ROG and Gigabyte/Aorus. My current 'gamer' is the Aorus X670E Master (8 layer PCB) w/7950X3D and a GSkill 2x 24GB 7200 Intel XMP kit which I have tried out in five different permutations per below (always the same SOC_V and VDD)...CL 28 / 6000 to CL 36 / 8100. Only a few of these are truly optimized (ie. 8000) but the sheer number of combinations I put through basic stability test speaks for this AMD platform.  I am also thrilled with the efficiency of AM4 and especially AM5...close to 39K in CineR23 at < 160W ! Intel's Raptor Lake top end uses almost twice the peak Watts with a score in the same ballpark.

 

I look forward to some truly new and innovative and efficient products when they arrive from Intel post LGA1700; for now though I am happy (and problem-free) with AMD...

 

 

 

 

 

[Hurricane28]

I think i found the culprit this time... 

 

I had an 6400Mhz tight timing saved on my USB stick and i flashed it and all is well now.. 

 

After some searching on what has changed i saw that the Soc voltage was too low. I raised it from 1.2 to 1.25v and now its running much better, same as before actually. 

 

Idk why the soc voltage changed all of a sudden cos i was on this same settings for a few days, or even a week... 

 

I also noticed that sometimes the memory training takes long but other times it doesn't train at all and just boots. 

 

I think Soc voltage is save up to 1.3v from what i've read so if i have more of this weirdness i know its voltage related an need to raise it. 

 

 

Sorry for the rant tho, but this is sooo frustrating cos Ryzen is so incredibly sensitive and can be so erratic at times that makes troubleshooting so difficult. 

 

[neurotix]

5 hours ago, Hurricane28 said:

I think i found the culprit this time... 

 

I had an 6400Mhz tight timing saved on my USB stick and i flashed it and all is well now.. 

 

After some searching on what has changed i saw that the Soc voltage was too low. I raised it from 1.2 to 1.25v and now its running much better, same as before actually. 

 

Idk why the soc voltage changed all of a sudden cos i was on this same settings for a few days, or even a week... 

 

I also noticed that sometimes the memory training takes long but other times it doesn't train at all and just boots. 

 

I think Soc voltage is save up to 1.3v from what i've read so if i have more of this weirdness i know its voltage related an need to raise it. 

 

 

Sorry for the rant tho, but this is sooo frustrating cos Ryzen is so incredibly sensitive and can be so erratic at times that makes troubleshooting so difficult. 

 

 

For my 6400MHz OC when I was still running it on B-Die sticks, I found out I *required* 1.25v SoC voltage to run my memory at that speed with my super tight timings.

 

Make sure it's getting 1.25v *at least*, when I set my board to 1.25v it actually gives it 1.28v which is increasing heat, I tried lowering it to 1.23 but then got lockups and reboots.

 

You shouldn't need or have to use 1.3v unless you crash randomly again,, I would leave it alone because it's just going to add extra heat.

 

Glad you found the issue!