X3D Revision 2

[Nikado7]

So this will go in my garage on the wall.  I need to come up with a board to mount it all to.   I'm gonna make the board hook onto the wall or something so I can take it off and build the computer on my kitchen table or something.  

 

Monitor cables will go through a hole in the wall into living room where my desk and monitors are.  That way I can do whatever I want and noise will never be a concern.  If I wanna put deltas on the rads, so be it, I won't be able to hear a thing

 

 

 

The theorized specs...

 

7950X3D

ASRock B650E Taichi

G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5 6400

Samsung 990 Pro M.2 1TB

Watercool MO-RA3 360 Core LC

 

Have to score another D5 pump for some more flow assurance.  That radiator takes a little bit to shove it all through.   

Edited February 11, 2023 by Nikado7

[Nikado7]

Pretty nice so far.  990 still on its way.  Gives samsung time to get their act together.  

[Kaz]

Avoid the 990 pro if you can.  They have a high failure rate.

[Nikado7]

25 minutes ago, Kaz said:

Avoid the 990 pro if you can.  They have a high failure rate.

 

Yeah I'm playing the odds.  If it fails I'll warranty it.  I don't really store anything on my main computers anymore I just use a networked drive so....basically I've got this drive failing covered haha.  

[Nikado7]

Returned the 990 for free.   Got this.

 

 

[bonami2]

On 17/02/2023 at 11:38, Nikado7 said:

Returned the 990 for free.   Got this.

 

 

 

 

I got two sn850 and 1 sn770. Never had any issue. Oh yea once i had condensation on my laptop and tried booting and the drive went crazy. It survived after drying!

Use the WD software to enable Game Mode for max performance.

Edited February 19, 2023 by bonami2

[ENTERPRISE]

On 10/02/2023 at 15:03, Nikado7 said:

So this will go in my garage on the wall.  I need to come up with a board to mount it all to.   I'm gonna make the board hook onto the wall or something so I can take it off and build the computer on my kitchen table or something.  

 

Monitor cables will go through a hole in the wall into living room where my desk and monitors are.  That way I can do whatever I want and noise will never be a concern.  If I wanna put deltas on the rads, so be it, I won't be able to hear a thing

 

 

 

The theorized specs...

 

7950X3D

ASRock B650E Taichi

G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5 6400

Samsung 990 Pro M.2 1TB

Watercool MO-RA3 360 Core LC

 

Have to score another D5 pump for some more flow assurance.  That radiator takes a little bit to shove it all through.   

 

Are you overclocking this CPU or just leaving it to PBO. If you are overclocking I would be interested in seeing the mileage you get with the B650E

[Nikado7]

2 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

 

Are you overclocking this CPU or just leaving it to PBO. If you are overclocking I would be interested in seeing the mileage you get with the B650E

Afaik you can't overclock the 7950x3d.  Buildzoid has a ddr5 guide that looks promising, hardware unboxed even showed proof.  

 

If I can even get one on release.

[ENTERPRISE]

13 hours ago, Nikado7 said:

Afaik you can't overclock the 7950x3d.  Buildzoid has a ddr5 guide that looks promising, hardware unboxed even showed proof.  

 

If I can even get one on release.

I completely forgot they locked down the X3D's. Maybe there will be a workaround some say. That being said though,PBO will see you a good way. 

[Nikado7]

What gets me is the 5800X3D has 96mb L3........so does the X3D side of the 7950X3D.   And we know that side of it will also be downclocked rather than running at the advertised 5.7 which will be on the non X3D side.  Sooooooo that said, is the damn thing just gonna be the same as a 5800X3D in gaming?  On paper it really doesn't look promising other than being a different platform altogether with DDR5 and all.  And if the reviews the day before release confirm my suspicion, I'll return everything I bought that day.  I can do a hell of a lot more with $700 than buying an underperforming CPU.   

Edited February 20, 2023 by Nikado7

[ENTERPRISE]

49 minutes ago, Nikado7 said:

What gets me is the 5800X3D has 96mb L3........so does the X3D side of the 7950X3D.   And we know that side of it will also be downclocked rather than running at the advertised 5.7 which will be on the non X3D side.  Sooooooo that said, is the damn thing just gonna be the same as a 5800X3D in gaming?  On paper it really doesn't look promising other than being a different platform altogether with DDR5 and all.  And if the reviews the day before release confirm my suspicion, I'll return everything I bought that day.  I can do a hell of a lot more with $700 than buying an underperforming CPU.   

Yeah, ultimately you are paying for just the platform change at that point. This is why im not changing out my 5950X until there is a more compelling reason to. Ultimately with the 7000 series CPU you are just paying the platform upgrade tax with little real world performance difference against the 5000 series. 

 

Ultimately you are paying the DDR5 adopters fees. The next gen of CPU's may make more sense upgrade wise. Im chilling until the DDR5 platform as a whole has matured some more.

[Sir Beregond]

I'm not even sure the 7950X3D is what you want if all you care about is gaming, I highly doubt it will perform any better in gaming scenarios than the 7800X3D when it releases and I think that's why they are launching that one later.

 

EDIT: Anyway, in my mind, Zen 4 was an iterative improvement on Zen 3 with a die shrink and boost in clock-speeds, as well as a platform change to LGA and DDR5. I don't find Zen 4 particularly compelling for an upgrade from my current Zen 3. I'll be much more interested to see what Zen 5 and Meteor Lake look like.

 

EDIT 2: Also, not sure what resolution you play at, but I'd be curious to see the X vs X3D parts comparison at 1440p and 4k.

Edited February 20, 2023 by Sir Beregond

[Nikado7]

27 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

I'm not even sure the 7950X3D is what you want if all you care about is gaming, I highly doubt it will perform any better in gaming scenarios than the 7800X3D when it releases and I think that's why they are launching that one later.

 

EDIT: Anyway, in my mind, Zen 4 was an iterative improvement on Zen 3 with a die shrink and boost in clock-speeds, as well as a platform change to LGA and DDR5. I don't find Zen 4 particularly compelling for an upgrade from my current Zen 3. I'll be much more interested to see what Zen 5 and Meteor Lake look like.

 

EDIT 2: Also, not sure what resolution you play at, but I'd be curious to see the X vs X3D parts comparison at 1440p and 4k.

 

The entire point of this is the fact X299 platforms are still very relevant same with 5950X.  I want something that will last quite a while so even if its ridiculous to own today, it will work itself out in the long run.  You can definitely tell the 5800x3d isn't a 12700k like I previously had......at tasks other than gaming.  Not a deal breaker by any means, I love the 5800x3d to death, but maybe I can get the best of both worlds with the 7950x3d and simply keep it for yearrrrs without it ever showing its age.  To me stuff is getting way ahead of itself.  I game at 1440p/144hz and what I have now easily satisfies that requirement.  Just like a vast majority of people used a 1060-6GB for a longggg time, its an amazing little card.  Thats my goal....find the diamond in the rough that won't show its age for the longest amount of time.   I don't see 5950X becoming obsolete anytime soon so 7950x3d should do even better.  

 

And we know amd likes to keep their platforms around a few gens so if for whatever reason it does fall on its face, its not the end of the world.  I'm sure at some point might have to upgrade GPU as well but for now it does the task quite well.  

 

But yeah, if I figure out its not gonna beat the 5800x3d by much or this or that, i mean its a $700 cpu........and my standards for giving up $700 are pretty damn high.  They better be on the floor begging during the release press conference lol

[Sir Beregond]

2 hours ago, Nikado7 said:

 

The entire point of this is the fact X299 platforms are still very relevant same with 5950X.  I want something that will last quite a while so even if its ridiculous to own today, it will work itself out in the long run.  You can definitely tell the 5800x3d isn't a 12700k like I previously had......at tasks other than gaming.  Not a deal breaker by any means, I love the 5800x3d to death, but maybe I can get the best of both worlds with the 7950x3d and simply keep it for yearrrrs without it ever showing its age.  To me stuff is getting way ahead of itself.  I game at 1440p/144hz and what I have now easily satisfies that requirement.  Just like a vast majority of people used a 1060-6GB for a longggg time, its an amazing little card.  Thats my goal....find the diamond in the rough that won't show its age for the longest amount of time.   I don't see 5950X becoming obsolete anytime soon so 7950x3d should do even better.  

 

And we know amd likes to keep their platforms around a few gens so if for whatever reason it does fall on its face, its not the end of the world.  I'm sure at some point might have to upgrade GPU as well but for now it does the task quite well.  

 

But yeah, if I figure out its not gonna beat the 5800x3d by much or this or that, i mean its a $700 cpu........and my standards for giving up $700 are pretty damn high.  They better be on the floor begging during the release press conference lol

Ah, I see what you are saying, especially about other tasks besides gaming, in which case I totally agree that 7950X/X3D will have more lasting power.

 

Yeah will be curious about that as well. Still $700.

[neurotix]

Nice setup you're getting.

 

I'm getting the ASUS Crosshair X670-E Hero, and G.skill Flare X DDR5 6000 cas 36-36-36.

 

I will also be after and hope I can get my hands on the 7900x3d.

[Nikado7]

1 hour ago, neurotix said:

Nice setup you're getting.

 

I'm getting the ASUS Crosshair X670-E Hero, and G.skill Flare X DDR5 6000 cas 36-36-36.

 

I will also be after and hope I can get my hands on the 7900x3d.

 

I just read an article that says the 7900x3d will have faster core speeds on the x3d side than the 7950x3d.   Makes sense, I doubt they've completely overcome the heat issues 3d has so if there's less cores there's less heat.   Really starting to sound like a bummer.  Reviews supposedly releasing Feb 27.  But it's nice having a non x3d backup plan.   7950x getting pretty cheap lately.

[Fluxmaven]

Pretty sweet setup you're working on. You could also add a DDC instead of another D5 since it'll have a bit more head pressure. You can mix and match pumps without any ill effects. 

 

I originally wanted to wait for the X3D, but the whole cache on one ccd faster clockspeed on the other kinda scared me off. Plus Microcenter dropped the prices on non 3D and still included free RAM kits so I picked up a 7700x and 7900X for now. I'll pick up a 9900X3D or whatever it's called in a few years. 

 

[neurotix]

Personally, I know for a fact that my benchmarks on my 4090 Gaming X Trio for hwbot are being held back by my 5900x. That I just got. There is a CPU bottleneck even with it boosting to 5150MHz in games and doing all-core loads at 4750MHz. But I think my wife agreed to this because I've never had an entirely new build (sans drives and a case and fans etc) at once, and also because she wants my current setup in her machine.

 

Two things I'm worried about for Ai Crystal: getting the thermal pad off of my NVMe drive since it has a metal heatsink with a thermal pad on it. Also, my board not having BIOS support for the chip so once I put it in I doubt it will post without me upgrading the BIOS using USB BIOS flashback. Also a little concerned about the board fitting underneath my rear fan, and my radiator pushing on or possibly blocked by the 8-pin EPS connectors. But my wife and I will figure it out and get it done. I really hope my AIO will fit and align with the screwholes. Also, getting this monster 4090 out of my case might be an issue, since it's a midtower, the rear screw thing for the GPU is like outside the back of the case and makes it difficult to remove GPUs (with my old 1080tis we had to use a pliers to bend the aluminum mounting bracket that the screws go in to be able to get them out of the case).

 

I love my machine and if the 7900x3d can boost higher for games (All I play really is Forza Horizon 4 and 5 and very occasionally but I plan on benchmarking them both before and after to see how much the extra cache improves the score), it can boost higher for benching, can do faster all core speeds for stuff like Cinebench, plus has up to 25% more performance from the extra L3 cache then it seems like a worthy upgrade to me. And I was planning on waiting for Zen 5 like ENTERPRISE but with this upgrade I'll have a good board and RAM for when Zen 5 drops in like 2026 or whenever. They supported AM4 for a long time, they will probably support AM5 too, and if I bought a 13900k I'd probably have to replace the motherboard when I want to upgrade. 13900k is on a dead platform and as usual Intel would require a whole new motherboard. I'd get way better scores in 3Dmark2001SE and 3Dmark2003 with Intel as Ryzen does terribly in those benches, but I can live without those globals.

 

And sorry if it seems like I'm hijacking your thread but we're getting or trying to get a similar setup. Maybe I should make my own thread.

Edited February 20, 2023 by neurotix

[Sir Beregond]

24 minutes ago, Fluxmaven said:

Pretty sweet setup you're working on. You could also add a DDC instead of another D5 since it'll have a bit more head pressure. You can mix and match pumps without any ill effects. 

 

I originally wanted to wait for the X3D, but the whole cache on one ccd faster clockspeed on the other kinda scared me off. Plus Microcenter dropped the prices on non 3D and still included free RAM kits so I picked up a 7700x and 7900X for now. I'll pick up a 9900X3D or whatever it's called in a few years. 

 

Yeah, I am still very curious to see how Windows scheduler handles two different CCD's.

[Nikado7]

17 minutes ago, neurotix said:

Personally, I know for a fact that my benchmarks on my 4090 Gaming X Trio for hwbot are being held back by my 5900x. That I just got. There is a CPU bottleneck even with it boosting to 5150MHz in games and doing all-core loads at 4750MHz. But I think my wife agreed to this because I've never had an entirely new build (sans drives and a case and fans etc) at once, and also because she wants my current setup in her machine.

 

Two things I'm worried about for Ai Crystal: getting the thermal pad off of my NVMe drive since it has a metal heatsink with a thermal pad on it. Also, my board not having BIOS support for the chip so once I put it in I doubt it will post without me upgrading the BIOS using USB BIOS flashback. Also a little concerned about the board fitting underneath my rear fan, and my radiator pushing on or possibly blocked by the 8-pin EPS connectors. But my wife and I will figure it out and get it done. I really hope my AIO will fit and align with the screwholes. Also, getting this monster 4090 out of my case might be an issue, since it's a midtower, the rear screw thing for the GPU is like outside the back of the case and makes it difficult to remove GPUs (with my old 1080tis we had to use a pliers to bend the aluminum mounting bracket that the screws go in to be able to get them out of the case).

 

I love my machine and if the 7900x3d can boost higher for games (All I play really is Forza Horizon 4 and 5 and very occasionally but I plan on benchmarking them both before and after to see how much the extra cache improves the score), it can boost higher for benching, can do faster all core speeds for stuff like Cinebench, plus has up to 25% more performance from the extra L3 cache then it seems like a worthy upgrade to me. And I was planning on waiting for Zen 5 like ENTERPRISE but with this upgrade I'll have a good board and RAM for when Zen 5 drops in like 2026 or whenever. They supported AM4 for a long time, they will probably support AM5 too, and if I bought a 13900k I'd probably have to replace the motherboard when I want to upgrade. 13900k is on a dead platform and as usual Intel would require a whole new motherboard. I'd get way better scores in 3Dmark2001SE and 3Dmark2003 with Intel as Ryzen does terribly in those benches, but I can live without those globals.

 

And sorry if it seems like I'm hijacking your thread but we're getting or trying to get a similar setup. Maybe I should make my own thread.

 

 

Hijack away.  More info we can spread with each other on 7950x3d being the right decision the better.  

 

It does seem like the 4090 is insane and unless you have a 13900ks it's being bottlenecked.  

 

Got my new m.2's in.  The other part of allllllllll of this is I also bought a new PSU.  The only thing I'm lacking now from keeping the 5800x3d (they have got to come up with a wittier name for these damn things) is a waterblock.  Another $100 I guess.  I really like this system too.  It's like the little engine that could hang with the big boys lol.  

 

Side note, OCN people told me a month or something ago about aquacomputer controller and yeah that thing is amazing.  I hooked it straight into usb 2.0 header and suddenly my $150 board has sensors and everything I could dream of.  I have the entire thing curving to water temps now after putting a waterblock on the 3080ti.  Just works so amazing.   Getting the mora back out will really be a game changer.   I can maintain about 7C delta over ambient right now with just the 360.  Gonna need it to be tighter in the summer though so hopefully the mora pulls through.  

 

I've got 2-D5's so even without them being DDC they should push plenty.  

[Sir Beregond]

1 hour ago, Nikado7 said:

 

 

Hijack away.  More info we can spread with each other on 7950x3d being the right decision the better.  

 

It does seem like the 4090 is insane and unless you have a 13900ks it's being bottlenecked.  

 

Got my new m.2's in.  The other part of allllllllll of this is I also bought a new PSU.  The only thing I'm lacking now from keeping the 5800x3d (they have got to come up with a wittier name for these damn things) is a waterblock.  Another $100 I guess.  I really like this system too.  It's like the little engine that could hang with the big boys lol.  

 

Side note, OCN people told me a month or something ago about aquacomputer controller and yeah that thing is amazing.  I hooked it straight into usb 2.0 header and suddenly my $150 board has sensors and everything I could dream of.  I have the entire thing curving to water temps now after putting a waterblock on the 3080ti.  Just works so amazing.   Getting the mora back out will really be a game changer.   I can maintain about 7C delta over ambient right now with just the 360.  Gonna need it to be tighter in the summer though so hopefully the mora pulls through.  

 

I've got 2-D5's so even without them being DDC they should push plenty.  

Aquacomputer Controller....Octo or Quadro maybe? I have an Octo and love it combined with the Highflow Next sensor in my loop.

Edited February 21, 2023 by Sir Beregond

[Fluxmaven]

Love Aquacomputer controllers. Have at least 6 I can think of in use right now. All of them have been rock solid. I even extended the license for the older Aquaeros and they still work great with newer versions of Aquasuite.

[Nikado7]

Octo.  Course I have no idea how to use the software yet.  Been cheating with Fan Control program, but it's not set up very good for water temp control.  I'm trying to set water limits from 2-4c and it sure don't like control being that tight lol.  Works though.  I'll have to get a pic of my current conglomeration.

[Nikado7]

Ignore the wires, I been playing around.  And yeah I know the exhaust is an intake, I been playing with that too.  Course now that I look at the pic that stray wire is a temp sensor I had in front of the rad fans to get my ambient temp.  My lick and stick didn't work apparently.  

 

 

Edited February 21, 2023 by Nikado7

[Sir Beregond]

54 minutes ago, Nikado7 said:

Octo.  Course I have no idea how to use the software yet.  Been cheating with Fan Control program, but it's not set up very good for water temp control.  I'm trying to set water limits from 2-4c and it sure don't like control being that tight lol.  Works though.  I'll have to get a pic of my current conglomeration.

Man some guy on OCN was arguing up a storm about how he didn't want to use Aquasuite and do all the flow/temp control through AIDA64 and Fan Control with a Highflow Next he bought. I don't know...some people lol.

Edited February 21, 2023 by Sir Beregond