videocardz ASUS announces ROG Matrix GeForce RTX 4090 GPU featuring 360mm AIO cooler and liquid metal

[bonami2]

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The pinnacle of gaming power
No reason to beat around the bush: the ROG Matrix GeForce RTX 4090 has the highest boost clocks of any RTX 4090 on the planet. Featuring a custom-engineered coldplate that captures heat not only from the RTX 4090 GPU die, but also the VRMs and memory chips, this card has even more headroom to push its clocks higher, for longer, allowing us to bin only the absolute best dies for this showpiece graphics card. In addition, the ROG Matrix GeForce RTX 4090 features an ROG first: liquid metal thermal compound on a graphics card.

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-announces-rog-matrix-geforce-rtx-4090-gpu-featuring-360mm-aio-and-liquid-metal

[iamjanco]

The HOF 4090  killer?

 

Time will tell.

[bonami2]

2 hours ago, iamjanco said:

The HOF 4090  killer?

 

Time will tell.

Am sure this cooler is a test for a 4090ti so i got faith!

[Sir Beregond]

7 hours ago, bonami2 said:

Am sure this cooler is a test for a 4090ti so i got faith!

I still don't think we'll see a 4090 Ti. Nvidia happy to move that silicon supply to AI/data center.

[J7SC_Orion]

19 hours ago, bonami2 said:

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-announces-rog-matrix-geforce-rtx-4090-gpu-featuring-360mm-aio-and-liquid-metal

 

I really like the looks of the Matrix, but underneath just seems to be a Strix OC (worst things could happen). FYI, DerBauer mentioned before on YT that he was working with Asus on a liquid metal solution. That said, 4090s biggest challenge is voltage limitation, not temps (I water-cool everything anyways). While Asus talks about 'highest boost clocks' in their media release and on their web site, so far they actually have not published any clocks, even under 'technical features'... I also wonder whether the Matrix has the original AD 102-300 (1.1V max) or the more recent AD 102-301 (1.07V max) core NVidia quietly introduced.  

 

A fial point re. the Matrix is that it only has one 12VHPWR connector, unlike the Galax HoF which has two 12VHPWR...a lot of things have to go right with a single 12VHPWR connector juicing 600 W or more; two 12VHPWR connectors would be a better option for the Matrix to underscore its top of the line claim...

 

Speaking of 12VHPWR connectors, get a load of this...

 

 

Edited May 31, 2023 by J7SC_Orion

[bonami2]

6 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

I really like the looks of the Matrix, but underneath just seems to be a Strix OC (worst things could happen). FYI, DerBauer mentioned before on YT that he was working with Asus on a liquid metal solution. That said, 4090s biggest challenge is voltage limitation, not temps (I water-cool everything anyways). While Asus talks about 'highest boost clocks' in their media release and on their web site, so far they actually have not published any clocks, even under 'technical features'... I also wonder whether the Matrix has the original AD 102-300 (1.1V max) or the more recent AD 102-301 (1.07V max) core NVidia quietly introduced.  

 

A fial point re. the Matrix is that it only has one 12VHPWR connector, unlike the Galax HoF which has two 12VHPWR...a lot of things have to go right with a single 12VHPWR connector juicing 600 W or more; two 12VHPWR connectors would be a better option for the Matrix to underscore its top of the line claim...

 

Speaking of 12VHPWR connectors, get a load of this...

 

 

That motherboard awesome! I hate cable management.

 

Only issue is that gpu make all other motherboard outdated...

Edited May 31, 2023 by bonami2

[Sir Beregond]

10 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

I really like the looks of the Matrix, but underneath just seems to be a Strix OC (worst things could happen). FYI, DerBauer mentioned before on YT that he was working with Asus on a liquid metal solution. That said, 4090s biggest challenge is voltage limitation, not temps (I water-cool everything anyways). While Asus talks about 'highest boost clocks' in their media release and on their web site, so far they actually have not published any clocks, even under 'technical features'... I also wonder whether the Matrix has the original AD 102-300 (1.1V max) or the more recent AD 102-301 (1.07V max) core NVidia quietly introduced.  

 

A fial point re. the Matrix is that it only has one 12VHPWR connector, unlike the Galax HoF which has two 12VHPWR...a lot of things have to go right with a single 12VHPWR connector juicing 600 W or more; two 12VHPWR connectors would be a better option for the Matrix to underscore its top of the line claim...

 

Speaking of 12VHPWR connectors, get a load of this...

 

 

All excellent points. Even air cooled, these coolers are monsters, and like you said, power and temperature were not really the limiting factors here. That's always been voltage with Ada. I was not aware they quietly introduced a new slightly higher voltage die.

 

Really I do wonder how expensive this will be. The regular Strix OC is already at a $1999 MSRP locally. Just seems to be an ASUS tax, because of all the reviews I read about various partner models, seemed like the Supreme X from MSI was the top performer (in terms of stock/OC performance), but that list didn't include things like the HOF.

Edited May 31, 2023 by Sir Beregond

[ENTERPRISE]

13 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

I still don't think we'll see a 4090 Ti. Nvidia happy to move that silicon supply to AI/data center.

 

Everytime I think Nvidia will not milk something this late in a generation, I am always proven wrong and low an behold a "Ti" variant arrives lol. 

 

Granted they are throwing a lot of there attention towards the AI/Data Centres. In all honesty it is anyone's guess as to what Nvidia's intentions are.

[Sir Beregond]

1 hour ago, ENTERPRISE said:

 

Everytime I think Nvidia will not milk something this late in a generation, I am always proven wrong and low an behold a "Ti" variant arrives lol. 

 

Granted they are throwing a lot of there attention towards the AI/Data Centres. In all honesty it is anyone's guess as to what Nvidia's intentions are.

True, but when was the last time we saw such a poor selling GeForce series (with the exception of the 4090)? They aren't lowering prices, or doing anything to move said inventory, so they seem perfectly fine leaving prices as it is and just reallocating silicon to much higher priced/margin AI/data center parts.

 

If that changes next year, sure, might see a 4090 Ti.

[J7SC_Orion]

2 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

All excellent points. Even air cooled, these coolers are monsters, and like you said, power and temperature were not really the limiting factors here. That's always been voltage with Ada. I was not aware they quietly introduced a new slightly higher voltage die.

 

Really I do wonder how expensive this will be. The regular Strix OC is already at a $1999 MSRP locally. Just seems to be an ASUS tax, because of all the reviews I read about various partner models, seemed like the Supreme X from MSI was the top performer (in terms of stock/OC performance), but that list didn't include things like the HOF.

 

FYI, the newer die AD 102-301 variant has a slightly lower max voltage at 1.07V than the AD 1-2-300 at 1.10V. That has folks wondering...

 

You're right about the 'Asus tax', and it is no coincidence that they announced this model right before Computex. Lower temps via liquid metal will help a bit, but I prefer custom cooling and use 1320x63 mm & 22 x 120mm fans for my loop with the 4090. Cooling helps at sustained speeds of > 3.2 GHz but the real issue remains voltage limitation.

 

Pricing in this softer market for the new Matrix will be really interesting; initial + $200 over the Strix OC ??

[Sir Beregond]

6 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

FYI, the newer die AD 102-301 variant has a slightly lower max voltage at 1.07V than the AD 1-2-300 at 1.10V. That has folks wondering...

 

You're right about the 'Asus tax', and it is no coincidence that they announced this model right before Computex. Lower temps via liquid metal will help a bit, but I prefer custom cooling and use 1320x63 mm & 22 x 120mm fans for my loop with the 4090. Cooling helps at sustained speeds of > 3.2 GHz but the real issue remains voltage limitation.

 

Pricing in this softer market for the new Matrix will be really interesting; initial + $200 over the Strix OC ??

Oops, I misread that voltage. So they lowered it? Interesting.

 

Man...$2100+ for consumer graphics. What a world.

[J7SC_Orion]

33 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

Oops, I misread that voltage. So they lowered it? Interesting.

 

Man...$2100+ for consumer graphics. What a world.

  

...yeah, but it has more shiny bits 

 

Also, DerBauer suggested in the vid that the Matrix has a different PCB but could not give any more detail. If that is the case, the price differential may even be a bit higher...I was also wondering earlier in another thread if they would include faster VRAM....many of the 4090s with 21 Gbps can already clock to 24 Gbps and even a bit more; so using the new native 24 Gbps should have even higher headroom for oc

 

 

Edited May 31, 2023 by J7SC_Orion

[Sir Beregond]

17 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

  

...yeah, but it has more shiny bits 

 

Also, DerBauer suggested in the vid that the Matrix has a different PCB but could not give any more detail. If that is the case, the price differential may even be a bit higher...I was also wondering earlier in another thread of they would include faster VRAM....many of the 4090s with 21 Gbps can already clock to 24 Gbps and even a bit more; so using the new native 24 Gbps should have even higher headroom for oc

 

 

Oh now that would be interesting if it had 24Gbps memory.

[bonami2]

On 30/05/2023 at 22:09, Sir Beregond said:

I still don't think we'll see a 4090 Ti. Nvidia happy to move that silicon supply to AI/data center.

 

Well i think it starting to be weird now even msi is playing this game.

 

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MSI has showcased three cooling solution concepts at Computex: a bimetallic fin array, 3D vapor chamber and an integrated AIO cooler. The first design (shown above) is an idea of mixing copper and aluminum fins to increase heat dissipation on the same cooling area. The technology is taking advantage of the different thermal conductivity of copper and aluminum. This prototype cooler is currently not planned for any specific GPU model. However, the demo card is RTX 4090 SUPRIM X (same PCB and I/O bracket), which leads us to believe that such a cooler might be used for RTX 4090 Ti later.

The company is also revealing its DynaVC technology, which is basically a vapor chamber with foldable heatpipes. This design eliminates the issue of soldering heatpipes with vapor chamber and increases the thermal conductivity and heat transfer in the process.

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-showcases-4-slot-thick-next-gen-coolers-for-upcoming-high-end-gpus

 

[Sir Beregond]

1 hour ago, bonami2 said:

 

Well i think it starting to be weird now even msi is playing this game.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-showcases-4-slot-thick-next-gen-coolers-for-upcoming-high-end-gpus

 

I wonder if maybe they are going to do a Titan.

[J7SC_Orion]

27 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

I wonder if maybe they are going to do a Titan.

  

...I was just watching a RedGamingTech vid which also showed that 'thick boy'.  FYI, RTX 50 series / Blackwell is expected to hit later in 2024, so in a few months (early fall of 2023 ?), we might see some of the 4090 Ti and/or Titan Ada. I'll probably stick with my w-cooled RTX 4090 until the RTX 50xx Blacxkwell comes out. 

 

BTW, if the Titan Ada comes to market and does have 48 GB of DDR6X, pricing is going to be a huge conundrum for NVidia, given the current workstation RTX 6000 Ada and its pricing. Anyhow, for the safety of all involved, I do hope that the 'thick boy' cards all come with 2x 12VHPWR connectors.

  

 

[bonami2]

50 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

I wonder if maybe they are going to do a Titan.

For only 4200 usd 

[J7SC_Orion]

43 minutes ago, bonami2 said:

For only 4200 usd 

 

...you could trade in a kidney or two...