techspot 4070Ti Super Benchmarks: Disappointing

[UltraMega]

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Unlike other RTX 4070 class products, the 4070 Ti Super moves away from the AD104 silicon and instead uses the same AD103 silicon as the RTX 4080. This change results in a 10% increase in CUDA cores compared to the original RTX 4070 Ti, which is just 13% fewer than the RTX 4080. Additionally, it boasts the same 64 MB L2 cache as the 4080, a significant 33% increase over the 4070 Super and Ti models.

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https://www.techspot.com/review/2793-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super/

 

Barely faster than a 4070Ti. Still doesn't beat a 7900XT. 

[Sir Beregond]

What a joke. Guess only thing going for it is 16GB and if you care about RT, that aspect will outperform a 7900 XT. Otherwise 7900 XT looks like the better card to get for raster and 20GB.

 

Honestly would have expected it to close the gap on the 4080 better than it did, but guess not. So far the Super series refresh is wholly underwhelming. Hope sales continue to slump.

Edited January 23, 2024 by Sir Beregond

[Slaughtahouse]

I can't help it... 

 

 

Also, wasn't this the 4080 12gb or is that the original 4070 Ti? I'm getting confused with all of their naming shenanigans. 

 

At least the 4070 Super seems like a good product and ultimately, the 4080 is finally getting a price cut. But it's too little, too late IMO. Hope they correct their product line with the Blackwell series after trying to take advantage of gamers.  

[Sir Beregond]

  On 23/01/2024 at 18:14, Slaughtahouse said:

I can't help it... 

 

 

Also, wasn't this the 4080 12gb or is that the original 4070 Ti? I'm getting confused with all of their naming shenanigans. 

 

At least the 4070 Super seems like a good product and ultimately, the 4080 is finally getting a price cut. But it's too little, too late IMO. Hope they correct their product line with the Blackwell series after trying to take advantage of gamers.  

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4070 Ti was the full AD104 die and was originally slated to be the "4080 12GB".

 

4070 Super was definitely a good uplift, but I still don't like the $600 price.

[UltraMega]

The 4070 series is turning into the GeForce "16" part of the GeForce 1000 series. A bunch of different skews with minor performance differences among them.

[GanjaSMK]

Looks like the 4080 Super is the real deal then, if pricing is low enough. 

Heh! 

[Sir Beregond]

  On 24/01/2024 at 05:51, GanjaSMK said:

Looks like the 4080 Super is the real deal then, if pricing is low enough. 

Heh! 

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Well its basically a $999 4080. With 5% more cores, I wouldn't expect it to be much different.

[GanjaSMK]

Yeah if it was had for $750 or $800 maybe. MAYBE. 

 

I think more so seeing 4090 level performance at $1000 is more likely a better upgrade point for me. Dunno if that comes 50x/80x. 

[bonami2]

  On 24/01/2024 at 07:47, GanjaSMK said:

Yeah if it was had for $750 or $800 maybe. MAYBE. 

 

I think more so seeing 4090 level performance at $1000 is more likely a better upgrade point for me. Dunno if that comes 50x/80x. 

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The 4090 as almost 60% more core than the 4080. Mostly why the 4080 is a joke. If they had the same die and at least 12-14k core. 4080ti for 1000$ would be good.

[GanjaSMK]

  On 24/01/2024 at 16:19, bonami2 said:

The 4090 as almost 60% more core than the 4080. Mostly why the 4080 is a joke. If they had the same die and at least 12-14k core. 4080ti for 1000$ would be good.

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Agreed! There's got to be a reason beyond all the public outcry. Beyond even the AI purchases on H100 product. 

 

Something is amiss between revenue, profits, and AI. It's not the gaming segment consumers if I had to guess; I'm wondering if something in the entire pipeline (code, development, etc) is coming that we don't know about which will require aforementioned performance/power (ala 4090). 

 

AI, maybe. Fixing image loss for new tech like DLSS/AFMF, etc? I dunno. 

 

Maybe it is just all the big corps looking to spend billions on GPU compute power. 

[bonami2]

  On 24/01/2024 at 16:30, GanjaSMK said:

 

Agreed! There's got to be a reason beyond all the public outcry. Beyond even the AI purchases on H100 product. 

 

Something is amiss between revenue, profits, and AI. It's not the gaming segment consumers if I had to guess; I'm wondering if something in the entire pipeline (code, development, etc) is coming that we don't know about which will require aforementioned performance/power (ala 4090). 

 

AI, maybe. Fixing image loss for new tech like DLSS/AFMF, etc? I dunno. 

 

Maybe it is just all the big corps looking to spend billions on GPU compute power. 

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If you compare a 6800xt 300w tdp and a 4070 200w tdp. They perform almost on par and use about the same power in game. Never broke 220w with my 6800xt pushing 4k.

 

The 6800xt msrp 649$ Release 2020

The 4070 msrp 850$    Release 2023

 

Something really wrong to offer same performance W than a 3 years old gpu. And 12gb vram vs 16gb.

 

 

[EHW Ai]

Perhaps it's all something akin to (e.g.) Moore's law in an age of diminishing expectations...

 

 

[schuck6566]

  On 24/01/2024 at 17:34, iamjanco said:

Perhaps it's all something akin to (e.g.) Moore's law in an age of diminishing expectations...

 

 

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more like "More Money Beeche's"law from Nvidia's view point.

[schuck6566]

Nvidia's Corporate song  

 

[Fluxmaven]

I am a little disappointed that the 4070 Ti S performs closer to the outgoing 70 Ti than the 4080 seeing as it got bumped up to AD103. I still think that if you need the feature set of team green it's a decent option for a card that you won't need to replace in a year or two. That extra 4GB of VRAM on a 256MB bus are going to keep the card relevant longer especially at higher resolutions. 

[Slaughtahouse]

  On 25/01/2024 at 00:03, Fluxmaven said:

I am a little disappointed that the 4070 Ti S performs closer to the outgoing 70 Ti than the 4080 seeing as it got bumped up to AD103. I still think that if you need the feature set of team green it's a decent option for a card that you won't need to replace in a year or two. That extra 4GB of VRAM on a 256MB bus are going to keep the card relevant longer especially at higher resolutions. 

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Agreed… it’s just that this class of card should not be $800.

 

Honestly, $650 makes way more sense with the 4070 Super at $550. I think the 4070 TIS will sit on the shelves for a while. The $200 gap for the TI is absurd for that wider bus / 4GB of VRAM and minimal gains against the 4070 Ti.

[Fluxmaven]

  On 25/01/2024 at 00:16, Slaughtahouse said:

Agreed… it’s just that this class of card should not be $800.

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I've been saying that since launch. They are great cards that perform well with great power efficiency. The problem was always the outlandish pricing. I managed to grab an open box 4070 Ti for $585 when Microcenter got flooded with returns at launch. People quickly figured out nobody would pay scalper prices for them. 

 

If the new 4070 Ti Super was $650, I'd be on my way to Microcenter right now to buy one to boost my PPD for the current Folding@home competition. 

[bonami2]

  On 25/01/2024 at 00:40, Fluxmaven said:

 

I've been saying that since launch. They are great cards that perform well with great power efficiency. The problem was always the outlandish pricing. I managed to grab an open box 4070 Ti for $585 when Microcenter got flooded with returns at launch. People quickly figured out nobody would pay scalper prices for them. 

 

If the new 4070 Ti Super was $650, I'd be on my way to Microcenter right now to buy one to boost my PPD for the current Folding@home competition. 

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the 4070 is honestly a 4050 class gpu.

 

My mobile 6800m gpu is on par with a desktop 6700xt the 6700xt is almost on par with a 4060ti.  

 

 

 

[Slaughtahouse]

  On 25/01/2024 at 04:35, bonami2 said:

 

the 4070 is honestly a 4050 class gpu.

 

My mobile 6800m gpu is on par with a desktop 6700xt the 6700xt is almost on par with a 4060ti.  

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I know it's semantics but the 4070, 4070 Super, 4070 Ti, is still 300m2 die (AD 104). With the trade offs (cut cores, smaller bus etc.), they should have marketed as 4060 cards and priced accordingly. Either way, Nvidia plays a lot with the 104 series chips. Maxwell GM204 were 960 to 980 GPUs. Pascal 1060 to 1080 were GP104s. Turing TU104s ranged from 2060 to 2080S. Ampere GA104s ranged from 3060 to 3070 Ti. I don't believe the 4070 (AD 104) is an XX50 class GPUs given ~Nvidia's history over the past 10 years. 

[Sir Beregond]

  On 25/01/2024 at 04:35, bonami2 said:

 

the 4070 is honestly a 4050 class gpu.

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60-class, not 50.

 

I'd say the 4060 is the 4050, the 4070 is the 4060 Ti. And the 4060 Ti is the 4060.

[bonami2]

@Sir Beregond @Slaughtahouse

 

We still are missing a 4010-4030-4050-4050ti.

 

Nvidia playing with us. The 4090 not even a full die.

 

 

 

 

[schuck6566]

  On 26/01/2024 at 04:32, bonami2 said:

@Sir Beregond @Slaughtahouse

 

We still are missing a 4010-4030-4050-4050ti.

 

Nvidia playing with us. The 4090 not even a full die.

 

 

 

 

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But the night is still young......

[Slaughtahouse]

  On 26/01/2024 at 04:32, bonami2 said:

@Sir Beregond @Slaughtahouse

 

We still are missing a 4010-4030-4050-4050ti.

 

Nvidia playing with us. The 4090 not even a full die.

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I don't argue that, I simply disagreed that a 104 class die is a XX50 series GPU. I'm all for jumping on the Nvidia price gouging bandwagon because... that's what they're doing. 

 

They save those full 4090 dies for B2B sales as someone else stated here. Gotta get 5K a pop for "AI". 

[Sir Beregond]

  On 26/01/2024 at 15:17, schuck6566 said:

But the night is still young......

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I don't know why but this image makes me think of the Bitconnect guy if you remember him from a few years back.

 

Now just gotta picture Jensen..."Hey hey hey...."

 

  On 26/01/2024 at 16:51, Slaughtahouse said:

 

I don't argue that, I simply disagreed that a 104 class die is a XX50 series GPU. I'm all for jumping on the Nvidia price gouging bandwagon because... that's what they're doing. 

 

They save those full 4090 dies for B2B sales as someone else stated here. Gotta get 5K a pop for "AI". 

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Yes, exactly. I'm all for busting Nvidia's chops here, but to call the 4070 a 4050 is disingenuous. 4070 is basically a 4060 Ti and the original 4070 Ti should have just been the 4070. That would have at least matched the precedence of the previous generation's slotting (minus the 3070 Ti I suppose).

 

 

Edited January 26, 2024 by Sir Beregond

[Slaughtahouse]

I think we need a Nvidia ranting thread XD

Edited January 26, 2024 by Slaughtahouse