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[ArchStanton]

No plans for immediate use.  Something to keep in the supply cabinet for a possible future rainy day.

 

[Diffident]

On 13/03/2022 at 19:08, iamjanco said:

@PCSargeWhat's mid-range? Something like the PRUSA?

 

That's the one I've had my eye on for some time now. The kit, that is.

 

I have a Prusa MK3S.  It's really nice.  It's totally open source and from Czech Republic....and I haven't had any problems with Prusa-slicer as PCSarge mentioned.  I'll probably buy a Prusa XL with multiple extruders when it's released.

 

 

[EHW Ai]

11 hours ago, Diffident said:

 

I have a Prusa MK3S.  It's really nice.  It's totally open source and from Czech Republic....and I haven't had any problems with Prusa-slicer as PCSarge mentioned.  I'll probably buy a Prusa XL with multiple extruders when it's released.

 

 

 

 thanks for the link/added input    the XL looks neat, but it'd be way to big given the room I've got. 

[Supercrumpet]

11 hours ago, Diffident said:

 

I have a Prusa MK3S.  It's really nice.  It's totally open source and from Czech Republic....and I haven't had any problems with Prusa-slicer as PCSarge mentioned.  I'll probably buy a Prusa XL with multiple extruders when it's released.

 

 

 

Ah yeah I forgot about the XL. I'm definitely interested in it too since I love the idea of multi-extrusion for both multicolor and multimaterial (thinking about dissolvable supports) printing. I already find the MK3 pretty inviting looking, but I really don't have a need for one considering the two printers I already have.

[Storm-Chaser]

23 hours ago, ArchStanton said:

No plans for immediate use.  Something to keep in the supply cabinet for a possible future rainy day.

 

I just set up my 9600KF with this stuff.

 

Shaved at least 15-20*F off peak temps.

 

Im kicking myself for not finding this earlier in my overclocking hobby.

[J7SC_Orion]

...was at the store yesterday where we buy a lot for work-and-play, and had a chance to pick this up  ...now waiting for Intel's ""5.5 GHz"" Core i9-12900KS to release, and GSkill's next DDR5 speed step. The 5950X is heading for video & compression content style work in the office, while the 3950X is now the daily beast of burden 'full-time'. What with even more potential global supply chain disruptions, better to stock up and be safe rather than sorry...

 

Thinking black-and-gold theme re. cooling peripherals...

 

 

 

 

[Storm-Chaser]

2 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

...was at the store yesterday where we buy a lot for work-and-play, and had a chance to pick this up  ...now waiting for Intel's ""5.5 GHz"" Core i9-12900KS to release, and GSkill's next DDR5 speed step. The 5950X is heading for video & compression content style work in the office, while the 3950X is now the daily beast of burden 'full-time'. What with even more potential global supply chain disruptions, better to stock up and be safe rather than sorry...

 

Thinking black-and-gold theme re. cooling peripherals...

 

 

 

 

One of the best looking boards on the market IMHO

 

Smart to stock up on inventory right now, at the rate things are going to you should be able to sell a used RX 580 for well over $1000.

[J7SC_Orion]

34 minutes ago, Storm-Chaser said:

One of the best looking boards on the market IMHO

 

Smart to stock up on inventory right now, at the rate things are going to you should be able to sell a used RX 580 for well over $1000.

 

...it certainly is 'neutral'-looking and I like the topography (+ dual 2.5G, 4x M.2). I was waiting for Raptor Lake (and may still update to that) but geopolitics such as it is means 'just-in-time-inventory' isn't ideal for now.

[Sir Beregond]

38 minutes ago, Storm-Chaser said:

One of the best looking boards on the market IMHO

 

Smart to stock up on inventory right now, at the rate things are going to you should be able to sell a used RX 580 for well over $1000.

GPUs have been steadily going down for a bit now. Still way crazy for sure, but that's the current trend. I am not sure how long that will last though.

[J7SC_Orion]

Just now, Sir Beregond said:

GPUs have been steadily going down for a bit now. Still way crazy for sure, but that's the current trend. I am not sure how long that will last though.

 

...GPU prices still seem to be a bit sticky here, but availability of top models is clearly much better. But I don't need any more GPUs for now. Anyhow, seen this ?

 

[Avacado]

On 14/03/2022 at 13:45, ArchStanton said:

No plans for immediate use.  Something to keep in the supply cabinet for a possible future rainy day.

 

Don't know if you have ever used LM before. If you haven't, I would be more than happy to help when/if you decide to use it. 

[Sir Beregond]

1 hour ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

...GPU prices still seem to be a bit sticky here, but availability of top models is clearly much better. But I don't need any more GPUs for now. Anyhow, seen this ?

 

I did not, but am not surprised. I wondered how this might affect things downstream and there you go.

[EHW Ai]

The radiators and extra fans are for the Yuel Beast Atlas II build. Those and two HL 360GTS MP rads as well as a number of the same fans that I already have on hand will help complete the loop(s). 

 

The Liquid Utopia because it's got what plants don't want and because I haven't been able to find bacterial inhibitor additive in stock elsewhere.

 

 

Edited March 16, 2022 by iamjanco

[Avacado]

2 hours ago, iamjanco said:

The radiators and extra fans are for the Yuel Beast Atlas II build. Those and two HL 360GTS MP rads as well as a number of the same fans that I already have on hand will help complete the loop(s). 

 

The Liquid Utopia because it's got what plants don't want and because I haven't been able to find bacterial inhibitor additive in stock elsewhere.

 

 

 

Plenty in stock

 

Mayhems Water Cooling Systems Hades + 15ml MBPLUS

WWW.PERFORMANCE-PCS.COM

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Mayhems Hades + is a broad spectrum, highly concentrated, UV-C blocker that is a non-foaming additive.

 

Inhibitor too

 

Mayhems Inhibitor - 15ml MINH15ML

WWW.PERFORMANCE-PCS.COM

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Mayhems Inhibitor + is a new product from Mayhems you can have the ultimate protection for mixed metal systems with the performance needed for today’s demanding high heat load systems. Mayhems...

 

Edited March 16, 2022 by Avacado

[EHW Ai]

Yeah, but unfortunately, Performance PCs and I had a falling out a few years back over a shipment they sent to the wrong address in Southern NY, even after I repeatedly told them to correct the address. The items ended up getting delivered to that incorrect address and I filed a chargeback because I needed to reorder the same items from someone else. So they got teed (the lady in their shipping dept. at the time) and they locked my account down. That's after I had done thousands in business with them over the years.

 

Their loss, I've spent big money since that time with other businesses.

 

Just makes it a little harder for me to get what I want/need occasionally.  I'm also a strong believer in fool me once yada, yada, yada, and really can't stand piss poor service like that. Meanwhile, the two radiators that I ordered are being shipped by Amazon, but sold from Performance PCs' in-Amazon Warehouse stock, which I'm okay with simply because that's where I can get them from without having to actually deal with the seller directly myself. 

 

 

[Sir Beregond]

9 hours ago, iamjanco said:

Yeah, but unfortunately, Performance PCs and I had a falling out a few years back over a shipment they sent to the wrong address in Southern NY, even after I repeatedly told them to correct the address. The items ended up getting delivered to that incorrect address and I filed a chargeback because I needed to reorder the same items from someone else. So they got teed (the lady in their shipping dept. at the time) and they locked my account down. That's after I had done thousands in business with them over the years.

 

Their loss, I've spent big money since that time with other businesses.

 

Just makes it a little harder for me to get what I want/need occasionally.  I'm also a strong believer in fool me once yada, yada, yada, and really can't stand piss poor service like that. Meanwhile, the two radiators that I ordered are being shipped by Amazon, but sold from Performance PCs' in-Amazon Warehouse stock, which I'm okay with simply because that's where I can get them from without having to actually deal with the seller directly myself. 

 

 

Yeah, don't blame you there if that was the experience you had and they didn't work with you properly to get it addressed. FrozenCPU used to be my go-to before their debacle in 2015. In fact some of the stuff in my current rig built around that time was from my last order with them before that went down and I had to get the rest from PPCs. So far they've been treating me fine.

 

So, I just put in a PPCs order for the rest of the watercooling stuff I needed: various fittings, white hardline acrylic tube in 14mm, temp/flow meter, some bending tools and some extra stop fittings for when I clean the rads.

 

So that leaves me with just needing to get 9 120mm fans. I am still sort of in that analysis paralysis on what to get. I typically like to run around 1000-1100 RPM. Part of me says just get the 3-pack Arctic P-12's because they are cheap but good, but I keep seeing reports of noise issues with them at the RPMs I like to run at so not sure. Then was thinking Silent Wing 3's. Also looked at these Noctua NF-A12 Chromax fans, but not seeing those available at a decent price. I think I'll probably just end up with the SW3's if I can find the right ones in stock. I see @iamjanco just ordered some off Amazon, so will take a look.

 

Edit: Meant NF-A12, not NF-F12.

Edited March 16, 2022 by Sir Beregond

[Storm-Chaser]

1 minute ago, Sir Beregond said:

Yeah, don't blame you there if that was the experience you had and they didn't work with you properly to get it addressed.

 

So, I just put in a PPCs order for the rest of the watercooling stuff I needed: various fittings, white hardline acrylic tube in 14mm, temp/flow meter, some bending tools and some extra stop fittings for when I clean the rads.

 

So that leaves me with just needing to get 9 fans. I am still sort of in that analysis paralysis on what to get. I typically like to run around 1000-1100 RPM.

The Noctua NF-A12x25 has to be one of the better choices and served me well (if you can get over the ugly two tone coloring). PWM up to 2000 rpm but are nearly silent at anything under 1500 rpm. 

 

Amazon.com

WWW.AMAZON.COM

 

[Sir Beregond]

1 minute ago, Storm-Chaser said:

The Noctua NF-A12x25 has to be one of the better choices and served me well (if you can get over the ugly two tone coloring). PWM up to 2000 rpm but are nearly silent at anything under 1500 rpm. 

 

Amazon.com

WWW.AMAZON.COM

 

Sadly the brown is a total deal breaker for me. I'd like to think I am not completely shallow here, but I do have a black/gold/white theme going on and that's just a step too far.

[Storm-Chaser]

2 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

Sadly the brown is a total deal breaker for me. I'd like to think I am not completely shallow here, but I do have a black/gold/white theme going on and that's just a step too far.

Agreed. I have major distain for the color scheme as well. Not sure if this will be a better match with other components in your build but they do make the NF-A12 in black as well. just fyi.

[J7SC_Orion]

9 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

Yeah, don't blame you there if that was the experience you had and they didn't work with you properly to get it addressed. FrozenCPU used to be my go-to before their debacle in 2015. In fact some of the stuff in my current rig built around that time was from my last order with them before that went down and I had to get the rest from PPCs. So far they've been treating me fine.

 

So, I just put in a PPCs order for the rest of the watercooling stuff I needed: various fittings, white hardline acrylic tube in 14mm, temp/flow meter, some bending tools and some extra stop fittings for when I clean the rads.

 

So that leaves me with just needing to get 9 120mm fans. I am still sort of in that analysis paralysis on what to get. I typically like to run around 1000-1100 RPM. Part of me says just get the 3-pack Arctic P-12's because they are cheap but good, but I keep seeing reports of noise issues with them at the RPMs I like to run at so not sure. Then was thinking Silent Wing 3's. Also looked at these Noctua NF-F12 Chromax fans, but not seeing those available at a decent price. I think I'll probably just end up with the SW3's if I can find the right ones in stock. I see @iamjanco just ordered some off Amazon, so will take a look.

 

...I have done business with both PPCs and FrozenCPU, pretty decent treatment by both. That includes recent transactions ( ~ 8 months ago) with the reincarnated FrozenCPU. As to fans, I now have over 50x Arctic P12s, and no issue (incl. noise) with any of them. I use them at max ~1800 rpm in push/pull. A single Artic P12 pwm pst doesn't get close to my GentleTyphoon AP29s in terms of performance, but they're a heck of a lot quieter and cheaper of course, at least when buying the 5-pack ones

[Sir Beregond]

5 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

...I have done business with both PPCs and FrozenCPU, pretty decent treatment by both. That includes recent transactions ( ~ 8 months ago) with the reincarnated FrozenCPU. As to fans, I now have over 50x Arctic P12s, and no issue (incl. noise) with any of them. I use them at max ~1800 rpm in push/pull. A single Artic P12 pwm pst doesn't get close to my GentleTyphoon AP29s in terms of performance, but they're a heck of a lot quieter and cheaper of course, at least when buying the 5-pack ones

The noise issues with the P-12's I have heard about is very specifically around certain RPM's, not maxed out like you have it.

 

Here was the example I found: 

 

[J7SC_Orion]

24 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

The noise issues with the P-12's I have heard about is very specifically around certain RPM's, not maxed out like you have it.

 

Here was the example I found: 

 

 

I used to watch that channel  a lot more than I do now, but I did see that review and wondered a bit why the numbers for the same fans were so different in other tests, ie. by Gamers Nexus and DerBauer. As an aside, Gamers Nexus recently got a real (and giant) professional airflow bench so I look forward to their upcoming reviews of fans, cases etc. In any case, even at lower rpm (ie. my initial testbench setup with 3x Arctic P12s at 1200 rpm), I had no problems. I still plan to try out the new Pnanteks 30s, with three stages - they look closest to my oldie GentleTyphoon AP29s. 

 

The most disappointing fan purchase for me were the Corsair's ML120s (9x). To get into the real cooling range, they have to run faster than 2k rpm and then start making a huge racket - louder at 2.4k rpm than the GentleTyphoons at 3k rpm - not only louder, but also at a more (for me, at least) annoying frequency. 

 

 

Edited March 16, 2022 by J7SC_Orion
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[Sir Beregond]

8 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

I used to watch that channel  a lot more than I do now, but I did see that review and wondered a bit why the numbers for the same fans were so different in other tests, ie. by Gamers Nexus and DerBauer. As an aside, Gamers Nexus recently got a real (and giant) professional airflow bench so I look forward to their upcoming reviews of fans, cases etc. In any case, even at lower rpm (ie. my initial testbench setup with 3x Arctic P12s at 1200 rpm), I had no problems. I still plan to try out the new Pnanteks 30s, with three stages - they look closest to my oldie GentleTyphoon AP29s. 

 

The most disappointing fan purchase for me were the Corsair's ML120s (9x). To get into the real cooling range, they have to run faster than 2k rpm and then start making a huge racket - louder at 2.4k rpm than the GentleTyphoons at 3k rpm - not only louder, but also at a more (for me, at least) annoying frequency. 

 

 

Oh I've never seen this channel before. I just found that searching after I had heard the reports. Nice to hear you have no issues.

 

Edit: Anyway, probably between these and the SW3's at this point. I meant to say was looking at the NF-A12 Chromax fans (accidentally said NF-F12) and seems too expensive from what I see out there. Almost $33 a fan. But does appear to be what I am looking for noise wise for a fan based on charts I've seen around 1000 RPM. I don't know.

 

Decisions decisions.

Edited March 16, 2022 by Sir Beregond

[Storm-Chaser]

42 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

Oh I've never seen this channel before. I just found that searching after I had heard the reports. Nice to hear you have no issues.

 

Edit: Anyway, probably between these and the SW3's at this point. I meant to say was looking at the NF-A12 Chromax fans (accidentally said NF-F12) and seems too expensive from what I see out there. Almost $33 a fan. But does appear to be what I am looking for noise wise for a fan based on charts I've seen around 1000 RPM. I don't know.

 

Decisions decisions.

I originally had just one NF-A12, but have slowly converted the rest of my cooling system to the same fans because I was impressed. 

 

You could just purchase one for now and see if you like it. For me, the quietness of operation was worth the extra cost but I can see why it's a tough choice because dropping over $30 on a fan isn't very economical.

 

And no, I am not a salesman for Noctua lol

[Storm-Chaser]

19 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

...GPU prices still seem to be a bit sticky here, but availability of top models is clearly much better. But I don't need any more GPUs for now. Anyhow, seen this ?

 

They are intentionally crushing our supply chain, and this means prices will continue to climb.