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4 minutes ago, GanjaSMK said:

 

Agreed! There's got to be a reason beyond all the public outcry. Beyond even the AI purchases on H100 product. 

 

Something is amiss between revenue, profits, and AI. It's not the gaming segment consumers if I had to guess; I'm wondering if something in the entire pipeline (code, development, etc) is coming that we don't know about which will require aforementioned performance/power (ala 4090). 

 

AI, maybe. Fixing image loss for new tech like DLSS/AFMF, etc? I dunno. 

 

Maybe it is just all the big corps looking to spend billions on GPU compute power. 

If you compare a 6800xt 300w tdp and a 4070 200w tdp. They perform almost on par and use about the same power in game. Never broke 220w with my 6800xt pushing 4k.

The 6800xt msrp 649$ Release 2020

The 4070 msrp 850$    Release 2023

Something really wrong to offer same performance W than a 3 years old gpu. And 12gb vram vs 16gb.

8 hours ago, GanjaSMK said:

Yeah if it was had for $750 or $800 maybe. MAYBE. 

 

I think more so seeing 4090 level performance at $1000 is more likely a better upgrade point for me. Dunno if that comes 50x/80x. 

The 4090 as almost 60% more core than the 4080. Mostly why the 4080 is a joke. If they had the same die and at least 12-14k core. 4080ti for 1000$ would be good.

22 minutes ago, Slaughtahouse said:

 

Same but I wouldn’t buy one for framegen.

 

Even in Avatar, where it’s been reported to be the best implementation yet, it’s not worth committing to. Maybe if you have 80-90fps baseline in your preferred game but there are not enough games that support FSR3 where the 7900XTX can blast it at 4K.

 

Their driver level implementation is not good. Too much judder when you move around. 

Yea am 90% wanting nvidia with all my past issue.

4070 super from gigabyte with high tdp is almost on par with the 4070ti.

If we get high clock/tdp 4070ti super i may take the plunge but i know 16gb will be an issue sooner or later in vr.

If 7900xtx drop am getting one. Waiting to see their version of frame gen. Am not getting a 16gb vram gpu.

10 hours ago, Snakecharmed said:

That's not right. QD-OLED is worse than WOLED for burn-in. That's why people with LG screens haven't had any issues.

 

Longevity Burn-In Investigative Paths After 3 Months: QD-OLED vs. WOLED, LG vs. Sony, And More - RTINGS.com

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Our accelerated longevity test has been running for over three months, and we've already encountered some very interesting results. We've...

 

That weird i think i read in the article or somewhere that it was better at burn in. Damn marketing lie haha.

Sad because the image must be sharper for computer use.

1 hour ago, Kaz said:

The monitor I wanted, but probably shouldn't buy... (My wallet is thanking me.)  I'm also hesitant with oled, though I think qdOLED is supposed to be better with burn in. 

Don't worry about burn in. My lg oled as none after almost 3 years.

Just need to move icon and change wallpaper often. And use hide taskbar option.

I feel it fit fine in the Technology New thread. Most of it is computer related like the AI Brain research and many other thing 

47 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

That's interesting, but it brings up another thought I had. Maybe we should just be moving away from ATX standard. Take a look at how a regular ATX orients DIMMS against natural airflow where some one off motherboards like EVGA Dark and Classified series rotated the socket and DIMMS to a better orientation for airflow. And of course you have other standards like BTX that just never took off.

 

I think it would be interesting to see ATX evolve finally as we have moved towards things like m.2 drives, single GPUs, and now looking at how memory can evolve on desktop. Maybe there's a better way to do things than ATX form factor and motherboard layout.

The good thing about ATX is quality standard. Like the PSU i think it the only hardware part in the world with efficiency rating and marketing on using quality part like Japanese cap.

The newer laws about hardware are forcing them to make stuff upgradeable again and repairable.

Framework laptop show how upgradeable stuff can be it pretty impressive to be able to remove the gpu from the back of the laptop.

MultiGPU need to come back i would says.

The new trend of cable less mobo is maybe the road we should take? 

Don't need to go crazy on t-shirt guy. Anyone can recognise alienware by name. We should focus on this. The EXTREMEHW logo is already pretty cool.

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Patriot has revealed an engineering preview of the company's upcoming CKD DDR5 memory, which will compete with the best RAM on the market. The big news is that Patriot has installed a clock driver (CKD) with the DDR5 memory module to help increase the JEDEC speed to DDR5-7200 and unlock higher overclocking ceilings, too.

A clock driver is a small chip whose primary function is to serve as a buffer between the memory controller and chips on the memory module. It isn't a novel idea, nor is Patriot the first to do it. TeamGroup did the same thing with its mainstream Elite and Elite Plus lineups.

Patriot developing high-speed DDR5 RAM that guarantees speeds up to DDR5-7200 regardless of CPU IMC quality — unlocks higher overclocking potential, too | Tom's Hardware

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The secret lies in a small clock driver (CKD) chip.

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When it comes to benchmarks. In short, RTX 4070 SUPER is 7% slower than RTX 4070 Ti and 18% faster than RTX 4070 in these tests, on average. The SUPER model is 15% to 19% faster than RTX 4070 and 8% to 5% slower than the Ti version. One should remember that NVIDIA will be phasing out its RTX 4070 Ti model once RTX 4070 Ti SUPER is launched next week. At the same time, the RTX 4070 SUPER will not be replaced by the RTX 4070. Instead, the latter will get an official price adjustment to $549, which was more or less the price for many 4070’s for weeks.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-super-3dmark-leak-shows-18-gain-over-rtx-4070

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The F032U2P is not the first monitor with DisplayPort 2.1, but it is the first to feature UHBR 20 connectivity. This monitor is based on a Samsung display panel with 4K (3840×2160) resolution with 240 Hz refresh rate. This is an QDOLED panel which is used by other high-end gaming monitors such as MSI MAG 321UPX, MEG321uRX, MPG 321URX, Dell’s Alienware AW3225QF or HP Transcend 32. Essentially, this means that the monitor has peak 1000 nits brightness and 0.03ms gray-to-gray response time.

Never noticed but those panel QD Oled are RGB pixel vs LG RGBW pixel. If am not wrong that mean they should have sharper text and even image at same resolution.

https://videocardz.com/newz/aorus-introduces-worlds-first-gaming-oled-monitor-with-displayport-2-1-and-uhbr20

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During CES 2024, ITSublssub, visited the SK hynix booth where a company representative stated that the new CAMM standard will also be coming to desktop PCs. It was revealed that the first PC implementation for desktop platforms was already underway though no specifics were mentioned.

Well, it looks like this is indeed the case as spotted by our resident leaker and insider fellow, HXL (@9550pro), the recent JEDEC PR where the announced the publication of the CAMM2 memory standard, also mentions that CAMM2 will have a common connector design for both DDR5 and the low-power LPDDR5/X memory modules. JEDEC lists both notebooks and mainstream desktop PCs as the platforms which the CAMM standard is intended for.

Compact CAMM Memory Modules Coming To Desktop PCs According To SK Hynix

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The CAMM (Compression Attached Memory Modules) standard might be making its way to desktop PCs according to SK hynix.

4 hours ago, UltraMega said:

DLSS and FSR frame gen do not require upscaling. 

 

Since emulators already are simple to run at above native res, I'm not sure what this really offers. 

 

Interesting tech tho, Will have to learn more about it to really judge. 

My fault did not want to take too much from the article.

The new update allow Frame Gen without upscaling

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Lossless Scaling is a tool on Steam which was first released in 2018. Its main future is to upscale games and software using spatial algorithms and if possible with machine learning. The tool supports various upscaling algorithms, such as AMD FSR, NVIDIA NIS, and some more sophisticated algorithms popular among gamers using emulators. In short, this tool expands upscaling technology to a wide range of games and other software like emulators. The developer assures compatibility with a broad range of graphics cards, including integrated graphics solutions. Today LSFG received a very important update, which is now available on Steam. Notably, the frame generation feature does not require upscaling, which means users can use Frame Generation without increasing resolution.

https://videocardz.com/newz/premium-tool-promises-to-enable-frame-generation-across-many-games-works-even-with-integrated-gpus

Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/993090/Lossless_Scaling/

On 12/01/2024 at 12:50, Sir Beregond said:

I'm not sure why this old thread popped up on the side, but I can tell you this.

 

At work my old 2019 Intel MacBook which I would describe as a complete piece of garbage with PC laptop levels of bad battery life was replaced with an M1 Pro based MacBook Pro in December and I love this laptop. I literally used it for an 8 hour day and the battery had only gone down to 60%. My old Intel one, even when new, barely lasted a couple hours before having to find a plug. I move around the house a lot for where I work (I work from home) and sometimes I work outside the house, so it's nice not having to be tied down to a cord.

 

In terms of calling it "wasted"...I'd say that's not really true. I work for a fortune 10 enterprise and our department uses nothing but Macbooks to code/develop, etc. They are perfectly functional machines that everyone here would say work much better than their previous Intel i9 based Macbooks which would just immediately throttle and performed worse than i7 based models. Of course that was just Apple's stupid design with no real thermal solution for a hot chip like an i9. The M1's are definitely better that way.

 

If you say well they aren't gaming laptops, well...yeah. It's Apple.

 

Anyway, my team are not particularly power users by any stretch like the development teams are, i.e. I'm not really running apps as most of what I work on is in Outlook, Teams, web Office 365, or web based CI/CD tools. Given that though, it is nice running all day on battery and not having to even look at the icon to see if I am running out of juice.

 

EDIT: And given that, my job would obviously be perfectly fine on a Windows machine too. I don't really care which. The iOS app devs probably like the Macs though would be my guess.

After browsing for month for good battery life. 

It either lenovo Z13, Chromebook or a Macbook if you want battery life.

The only one with a decent price ratio is the Macbook.

Intel are horrendous and amd based device are not that much better.

11 hours ago, Slaughtahouse said:

Off topic to Blackwell rumours, remember that Intel is poised to release Battlemage this year as well.

 

Which should make the mid range much more competitive against both AMD and Nvidia. 

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-reaffirms-xe2-battlemage-is-coming-hardware-team-already-working-on-celestial

Completly forgot about intel.

Calculated fast they says 60%+ more core. And i imagine it a new node.

Seem it going to be around 6800xt performance at a minimum. 

Not bad considering the 6800xt can beat a 4070 in some bench.

Update unrelated

Afmf Seem to be supported on the new 8600g 8700g the benchmark chart from amd seem to says that it was used.

So maybe a 8600g with a 4070 super 4070ti super could be able to do 4k effortlessly!

7 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

Hmmm, Now I could be wrong but isn't Linkedin best for singular people to show off work history and portfolios? Not sure if it would be a good fit.  

 

Thanks for the suggestions so far guys.

I need to take a look. They are kinda like group so it true it may not work for us. I need to rethink about my weird idea haha.

22 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

 Moar Powa - Fortunately, there's that 240 V wall plug for the cloth dryer 

Or the oven. Well i can't even remember if both are the same connector. Now you need both one for you EV and one for your PC.  

I was thinking maybe a Linkedin Page. 

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Cooler Master is preparing to officially introduce its latest 2000W+ power supply series designed for high-performance systems. The X Mighty 2000 Platinum falls into the category of enthusiast-grade supplies, catering to the demands of the most power-hungry setups. The 2000W unit, announced last month, will be joined by an even more powerful unit supporting up to 2800 watts. The official advertisement highlights its compatibility with up to two XEON or EPYC processors or four GeForce RTX 4090 graphics cards. Such a graphics setup would require, 1800W of power alone.

https://videocardz.com/newz/cooler-master-x-mighty-2800w-power-supply-to-support-up-to-four-geforce-rtx-4090-cards-at-once

20 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

 

AFMF could be quite a boon for someone with a RTX 3080-3090 who wants to wait for, say, NVidia Blackwell RTX 5K but has the budget to go for a 'decent but value-priced' 7900XTX now, or a @LabRat pointed out , even  has an older AMD GPU. I just don't know about how AFMF works re. VRAM capacities - hopefully I 'learn AFMF by doing' soon 

 

 

 

Wonder if we could software run afmf.

My 13900k just idling in most game

Would love to test this tech but mini itx prevent me.

Can it be run am amd apu like the 780m 8700g

6 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

...in case someone wants to or needs to get a new 4080 now, I would recommend the 4080 Super or even 4070 Ti Super instead, otherwise, just wait for Blackwell (RTX "5k"). I am sure glad I picked up my custom PCB 4090 (600W) back in the fall of '22 at the intro price - it is more expensive now as the big AD 102 chips are also in heavy demand for AI cards for the workstation and enterprise markets. NVidia is selling a boat load of those at a much higher margins.

 

 

Exactly what am thinking. Can't decide tho. Ark ascended on 4k is like 40fps with dlss and frame gen on a 4080.