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...slow is a relative term. Below via my multi-mobo Ravens' nest build, including SN750 and SN850

...I did notice that the 'stock Intel' A770 comes with 1x8 and 1x6 pin pcie connectors, while many of the custom AIB A770s have 2x8 pins (none of those new-fangled power connectors though). With the extra power and some 'custom vbios', this thing could still be interesting.

"Somewhat related" to the thread theme...Acer entering the GPU market...

I like white mobos, but the power design is so so for oc'ing, and who knows about their bios and related updates.

...IMO, top-end DDR4 is not too far off DDR5 results in many actual apps and games -but I look forward to DDR5 when the time comes after another push by RAM manufacturers for higher speeds and lower latencies. I am not sure if Hynix A-die is 'the new Sammy-B', but it could develop that way. As to Intel vs AMD, while my last three new builds all have been AMD (2950X, 3950X, 5950X; never had AMD before that), I am certainly not against Intel if they return to some decent product for a new build. If you already have a LGA 1700 mobo, then 13900K makes sense, but it is the last hurrah for that socket, so buying a new LGA 1700 motherboard at this stage makes no sense in my situation. Meteor Lake / LGA 1800 could be very interesting for a future build, depending...on what AMD does. AM5 socket is supposed to hang around for many years, and the 7950X 3Dvc is out there being tested - question is if/when AMD will release it (which in turn depends on Intel's 13900 'KS'? performance). AMD actually produced engineering samples of the Threadripper Ryzen 5K (Skatterbencher tested an ES version) but never released it to market as Intel was AWOL in that segment. So go Intel ! Either way, it will heat up the market and accelerate release of the stuff I really want at more reasonable prices Similar story on next-gen GPUs. With a 6900XT (up to 500W) and RTX 3090 (up to 600W) in my dual work-play build, I can wait a lot longer, as posted above. But I do hope that the RDNA3 7900XT will give the RTX 4080/16 a run for its money, and that the rumoured 7900XT_X (dual core mGPU appearing as a single to Windows, drivers) gets a surprise release early in the new year, thus forcing quicker action at 'decent prices' (relatively speaking) by NVidia on the 4090 Ti... Decisions, decisions...

Yeah, DDR 4 has a lot of life left in it; I've yet to run any of those at 1.55V. As much as they're rated for 4000 at 1.50V, I undervolt the RAM a bit even at IF 2000 / DDR4 4000...Similar story on the well-cooled 3090 Strix; 520W r_BAR or even the 1,000 W r_BAR really wake that thing up (effective MHz > 2245, GDDR6X RAM > 21 GBs. IMO, not quite in upgrade territory, thus my comment above to wait a bit. I love to see more info about that new Hynix A-die DDR5, including on the 6400MHz 48 GB/s and 96 GB/s per stick... for a Ryzen 7950X 3D Vcache, 2x 48 GB/s sticks of 6400 would be perfect for partial productivity as well as gaming, and the 4x 96 GB/s would match with TR Storm Peak 7970X (V3 Cache?) nicely. For now though, cranking the existing system to 10 out of 10 until the new CPUs and GPUs are ready to be considered.

...I'm still somewhat conflicted when to upgrade and to what (I use systems for both work and play). Threadripper 7000 would make the most sense from a pure productivity POV, and the TR cores tend to be highly binned, meaning with the right settings, one could meet if not exceed the Ryzen 7950X in gaming. I would consider the '7970X(?)' 32C/64T, not the 64c/128t, with quad channel DDR5 and tons of PCIe lanes. Then again, I don't really need it NOW as my current build (2x systems) is less than 1 1/2 years old. My goal is to wait until early in the new year after AMD, Intel and NVidia CPU and GPU releases have settled down a bit, perhaps even with some refresh-goodies(such as 3dV and Ti) in a competitive market. For now, the 5950X and 3090 Strix still deliver more than enough oomph, even with 'just' DDR4 so I don't have to rush off to be first in line.

I think they might wreck Intel's next HEDT, never mind 13900. Per THW:

...I take two of those 96Gb 6400 for a Threadipper 7000 and two of those 48 GB for Ryzen 7K 3DV; hopefully, it is / will all be A-die

Ryzen 7k 3DVcache soon very soon !

Like this...? Not quite the same, is it...?

you know what comes next, right ?

...looks like they're keeping that for when > T-Rex shows up

...good things come to those who wait ?

...but, but, but I read it on the internet, so it must be true ...then again, AMD might just keep most of the Zen 4 V3 Cache cores for their Epyc enterprise line, in which case I will say that I liked AMD better when it was still the underdog.

...95 C seems to be the new (& fairly high) algorithm trigger for clocks, but as DerBauer showed, it certainly does not hurt to create additional temp headroom. If/when I upgrade, my 1320x63 loop and the 5950X CPU block can just migrate 'as is' since my CPU block uses the stock AMD backplate. Speaking of upgrade, I'm in no hurry, as much as the 7950X is a superb platform...what I found very telling is just how strong the 5800x 3D Vcache is compared in gaming to both the 7950X and 12900K --- 5800x 3D Vcache might be a better upgrade for folks who do mostly gaming and perhaps planning on getting a RTX3/4K or AMD RDNA2/3 but want to keep their AM4 board and RAM. Never say never, but for now I am waiting for the refresh of the 7950X (w/ 3D Vcache ?!) and will check out RTX 4K Ti / AMD RDNA3 XTX before then to see if it is worth upgrading GPUs.

...ram overclcok ? Here's a tip:

I tried out various DLSS options now that the latest big patch for FS 2020 offers it...but I'll keep it at 4K native (no DLSS) as frame rates are good anyway, even with ray tracing...DX12 seems much improved though over the earlier DX12 stutter mess - but FS2020 needs better CPU optimization as one thread still gets hit particularly hard for most of the FS2020 session.

...with the RDNA2 and MPT, you're actually not flashing any vbios, just creating an alternate Win Registry set (so save your stock one). That's the beauty compared to RTX 3090 etc which you do have to flash.

...just a matter of self-control ; just doing small steps - first, just on max PL before trying voltages...for your 6800XT, 360W or so as an early step.

...yes, various options on voltage. > More Power Tool (English) > How to use (German, w/ useful pics in guide) ...my 6900XT 'bone stock - day 1' on air on the left (3x 3800 rpm fans ) and then medium MPT settings on water on the right (sound of silence )

...I do like Yuri's apps and use them on all my AMD CPUs, but for my 3x8 pin w-cooled 6900XT, there already is MPT ('MorePowerTool')...500W+ vBios mod, core and other voltage mods, that sort of thing, if you know what I mean Addendum: With MPT, my Time Spy Graphics Score is > 24K, with 25K+ possible if I would really crank it up (but it's my main work machine for daily stuff, unlike the 3090 'next door')...

...2000W in a single unit is nice and it is what I would buy new for a Galax 4090 Ti HoF OCL...but I still have a few 1300W Antec Platinums (w/ Delta innards) from my HWBot days. Those have a proprietary OC Link that can hook two together for a nice, round 2600 W. One of them alone has been powering 2x water-cooled 2080 Tis w/combined 760W on its 4x8 pin PCIe for close to four years without a single OCP. Somebody sent me a 4090 Ti HoF OCL (2x 600W connectors) so that I can do some extended testing of OC Link...

...just use the microwave instead of the oven, and hook up one of these