Sir Beregond

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It was interesting to see the evolution of Kingpin products from the Classified and the different things they were looking to do with each product launch for the enthusiast. Was also very cool to see the tricks and such they used to get records. I've never dabbled in that extreme-OC space, but man does that look fun.

I mean it is probably a solution for most standard case uses and how PCIe cables would route from the rear of the case, but yes, would need to have the room for it, I agree. I wonder what the length of the 4090 is compared to the 3090 Ti from EVGA which also had the plug in that location. I don't imagine most in the market for such a card is too worried about trying to fit it. I am sure they'd know if they can or not. That said, I could also see a solution in a design more like how Nvidia angled the 12-pin on the 3080, 3080 Ti, 3090 FE cards when they launched. No hard bends in my plug/adapter. I find current implementation/orientation/location of the 12VHPWR for 40-series card very strange. Regarding power having to travel further...sure, seems a stretch to me though, but I admit, not knowledgable on that.

There was a small part in the video where they showed one and how the power plug was placed like how they did it on the 3090 Ti.

End of an era, was a fun video to see how they did things.

That was a great board. Last of its kind for that branding.

Yeah I hear you.

I don't know. I want to see real numbers, not "if such is x, then y". I get what you are saying, but I am not entirely sure its accurate numbers wise. I do agree with you on Nvidia, they doubled-down on expensive, but given the reports I've seen on their margins, I'm not so sure the cost to manufacture has increased as woefully as some make it out. They've also vastly increased their margins, so something doesn't jive here.

I mean, it explains why AMD went down the MCD path and I imagine Nvidia will need to as well eventually. But since AMD did, the pricing makes no sense. What's the 20% number from?

GPC's are small and on TSMC 6nm (matured 7nm). Yields have got to be fantastic for these and price per wafer great given the small size and yield. Frankly would say the same for the 5nm main GPC. Its of a fairly mid-range size (compared to monolithic chips), so again, yields will be up, and pricing should be good as its not the most cutting edge 4nm. I find the $999 price-point to be overpriced, just not overpriced as badly as the 4080. But given the dies used for its design, Moore's Law is not why its $1000. Anyway I don't disagree with the rest of your post. The branding from both companies and push for higher priced products has always been in an effort to see what the market will tolerate. As for RT, I won't disagree that I still find it to be largely niche as a feature, but at the end of the day it comes down to marketing and as long as Nvidia can claim superiority here, you will see less actual competition between the two parties. Especially as Nvidia has really pushed the RT angle with now 3 gens of cards. It matters for the mindshare game.

Yeah honestly if the AIO is doing great, might as well keep it simple. Its too easy to get addicted to custom loop water cooling and gets expensive for sure.

Thank you so much. It was my first attempt at hard tubing and definitely shows in some areas. I think I'd redo it again in the future with fewer 90-bends especially in that pump to CPU block run. In fact I might plumb it completely the other way with the return going up through the top of the res. I'm not sure. I kinda like how @Avacado plumbed his recent O11-D XL. I totally get it. This is indeed very heavy when moving and I find it a much bigger pain to drain fully vs my soft tubing builds of the past. If you ever did get into wanting to do even a simple CPU loop, happy to help provide tips, and I would definitely stick with a soft tubing EPDM/norprene (think Tygon A-60-G industrial) tubing for ease of use and maintenance.

Fairly recent shots, though my SW3's are reinstalled at the top and those RGB fans re-purposed to another rig.

I'll be honest, I went back to just setting Curve Optimizer to auto since this is primarily a gaming system.

Nice job Flux! As I was reading, I started wondering what skin of CrystalDiskMark you'd be using, sure enough was not disappointed. Yeah I agree with you on the price. I picked up a 2TB Gen 4 TLC Inland drive from Micro Center with DRAM-cache and 5000 read / 4300 write for $160+tax last week. I can't picture grabbing this Corsair for $180+.

Yep, you are correct on the PBO. I think that's why my R23 multi-core scores have always been highest with all-core OC's. I am definitely going to try the per CCX OC and see if I can squeeze more out of it. Sadly ended up working last night so didn't get a chance to. Frankly busy all week, so this might be punted down to next week when I am off from work. Will have to see.

How do you do that Dynamic OC? Is that a newer BIOS maybe then the 3801 I am currently using? Yeah it being fanless on the chipset was what initially sold me on it.

Yeah don't get me wrong, I am totally in agreement that the card looks great. I just feel the branding/pricing is wrong. If this was $700-$800 and called a 7800XT or XTX, I think I would like it better. I find it strange they chose to brand it a "9"-class in the series.

I guess I am levying my same rebranding criticisms I've made against Nvidia on AMD. Sure it's $200 cheaper than a 4080, but it's more like a successor to the 6800XT than it is to the 6900/6950XT. At least just speaking MSRP, the 6800XT was a $650 card so to me the 7900XTX is like $300 overpriced. I don't know. Just my read. The 7900 cards seem much less competitive to current 4090 vs last gen matchup.

Nice job! Looking forward to trying mine out like this.

Yeah I've had to do several returns with them lately and some have taken 2 weeks to refund back to the card.

I'm not sure that's accurate. Unless I am just looking at more mature stats vs launch, the 6900 XT competed very well or even beat in raster the 3090 (at sub 4k) much more than the 7900 XTX does against the 4090. Maybe I am missing something here, but it doesn't look remotely the same to me.

What BIOS/agesa are you using? I'm still on an older BIOS, but newer from when I got the board (also purchased early on). I'm on BIOS 3801 for now as its been solid. Supposedly newer BIOSes broke some stuff, so been waiting.

No way. Extreme Tweaker works awful on my board, and most would advise using AMD Overclocking over the Extreme Tweaker menu. I definitely get better results/scores using that menu vs Extreme Tweaker for my PBO settings. I don't know why yours seems to be the opposite. EDIT: But for All-core like we are talking here, I will definitely play with it (and see if I can find equivalent in the other menu).