Sir Beregond

And Tesla buying $1.5B of Bitcoin which drove the price up again isn't helping matters.

And Elon Musk bought $1.5B worth of bitcoin. Man this thing is going to keep getting worse before it gets better.

Would grab this card if it actually has availability when it launches. It just seems odd to me that they'd be launching another 102 die card when they can't get 3080's out.

Been there, done that with the jet plates. It happens. Glad you got it figured out.

That's really interesting. Thank you for the insights.

Yikes...I guess I have been out of this game for a while. Hearing that 90C is "normal" for watercooled is hard to wrap my brain around. I ended up grabbing a 5600X since gaming is the most intensive thing I'll do. Hoping it's lower TDP translates to some better temps as I watercool mainly for silent computing reasons. Would hate to have to start cranking the fans super high.

Thanks, going to do some measuring.

Yeah. I thought this was the whole point of what they wanted to do with Windows 10. I agree, thought it would happen much sooner.

Sadly too tall with a water block for the O11-Dynamic (why oh why did they make this thing so narrow?) But out of curiosity, what is the PCB length on that bad boy?

Problem is a lot of manufacturers seem to make their PCB's excessively long and/or tall. A Strix for instance will not fit and allow my side panel too close which would force a vertical mount. Also not using a distribution block, the mounting location for the pump/reservoir might interfere with some of the super long looking cards. MSI for instance.

Good to know. That was one of my main concerns. I also just wonder how those chipset fans hold up longterm.

Well I guess this thread is moot. I just happened to check my local Micro Center's website today and they got a shipment in of ASUS X570 Dark Hero boards. I jumped on that and placed an order for one. Love the fact it doesn't use a chipset fan.

Sadly I gotta actually watch what I get for it to fit in my case with a water block. Looks like XC3 and Tuf 3080's will fit, but Strix and FTW3 as well as the ridiculously oversized MSI and Gigabyte boards will not. As for the 3060/3060 Ti VRAM thing, I think it's pretty clear that the 3060 was meant to be a 6GB card, but they chose to make it 12GB instead in the wake of RDNA2 and a theoretical 12GB 6700 XT in the future. It's all marketing. Obviously the faster card will be the 8GB 3060 Ti.

Thank you Enterprise! Yeah I'm going to be doing some reading up. I've been so far removed from this game since my last build in 2014/2015 it's taking a while to get back in.

So I think I narrowed down to two options. Thoughts on Gigabyte Aorus Master X570 vs the MSI X570 Unify? Similarly priced, any pros and cons for each? Leaning MSI, but thought I'd ask. Also saw an ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Hero similarly priced to the Gigabyte. The one thing I wasn't sure on the MSI board though is the Realtek ethernet. Any good. All my board have been Intel.

That reminds me...I have an old unopened AX1200. I'll probably just use that in the next build assuming there's no issue from it having sat in a closet since probably 2012. Got it as a warranty replacement and never opened it as I had bought a new PSU at Micro Center unable to wait.

I guess the biggest other thing I am concerned about is if they come with BIOS that support Zen 3 out of the box or if I need to update which could be problematic since I don't have a Zen 2 chip to throw in there. Not sure if that's even a problem, but just something that is in the back of my mind.

Hence the 3090...I got you. I am not at 4K (I'm at 1440p right now). Admittedly 3080 is probably a little overkill, but considering the price I intend to hold onto it for many years like I did my current 980. At the very least, skip 40-series, maybe look at 50-series. Total VRAM is less a concern for me at 1440p...I think I'll be ok with 10GB. And if not...well guess we'll see.

Congrats! At this point I will continue to wait for a 3080. 3090 even at MSRP is way more than I want to spend on a single component. Frankly so is the 3080 once it starts getting above $800 for the non-FE models. I am toying with the idea of 3070 but that one would definitely have to be around the $500 - $600 range for me to really consider it. So I think 3080 for me. The only problem I am having is determining what will actually fit in my O11-Dynamic (non-XL version, just the regular) in terms of width and length (due to reservoir) AND has waterblocks available. I've ruled out Strix and FTW3 models due to width. TUF and XC3 looks like they'll fit width wise, but worried about them being too long. FE would be fine, but I am going to just assume that will be impossible to really find at this rate. MSI models look to be comically way too long. Gigabyte not sure but looked like some had detached power connectors from the PCB. I'm not interested in distro blocks and prefer a pump/reservoir unit. Worst case I'll rethink my plan for a 360 rad on top, 360 rad on bottom strategy and do maybe a 240 up top, 360 bottom, and shift the reservoir up so its out of the way. Just depends really. Could also do a radiator on the side maybe...might crowd it a little bit.

Oh a monoblock. Higher temps makes sense then. Cool. Put my mind at ease, thanks.

At this point I think there are plenty of plans for a 3080 20GB or a 3080 Ti, but I don't think we'll see these products. Considering the current landscape, there is no reason for Nvidia to further segment the GA102 die into additional SKUs which will either cannibalize 3090 sales, or else further hurt efforts for stock on existing 3090 and 3080 products if they have to divert chips to a 3080 Ti. My thought is that by the time stock becomes somewhat normal, we'll be close enough to a 40-series that it won't matter if there is a 3080 Ti or not. Now my honest opinion is that the 3080 should have been released as a 12GB 384-bit card and then you wouldn't have had everyone crying about VRAM and you could then avoid the whole 3080 Ti/20GB 3080 thing altogether.

You get that hot under water? Hmm makes me a little concerned but I am assuming the 5600X should be a bit cooler than the 5800X. What's your WC setup look like?

Damn, if I knew how to, I'd short it once it hit that $1000 hahaha.

Thanks, that's actually very helpful. Yeah I didn't like how all the X570 boards have those little chipset fans, but seeing this chart, I see what you mean. Yep will look for an X570. I liked that the Dark Hero didn't have that chipset fan. But will look at these other ones you mentioned.

Put in for the Newegg shuffle again for both the 5600X, 5800X and the 3070's they have. Won the 5600X, so order is placed. Honestly was hoping for the 5800X or better a 5900X, but will take what I can get and repurpose this down the line if I really need to. Now need to figure out a motherboard. I was able to fully place an order for an ASUS Dark Hero X570 but then got the dreaded email back that they voided it. I liked it since it didn't have the chipset fan. So maybe will look at some B550 boards. I'm not really in the know on AMD boards so will probably need to do some research.