Mr. Fox

I already had doubts about AMD's intelligence and that POS 5800X3D threw gasoline on the fire. I still haven't healed from my deep regrets over the money I flushed down the toilet on an X570/5950X turd system. I only fault myself for that though... should have listened to that still small voice that was telling me "no, don't do it" and I would have come out of it about $1,300 richer. I enjoyed the nice Cinebench scores for a few minutes, but the overall lackluster nature of the product as a whole and the defects it carried was a situation that I found impossible to forgive.

I'm way too lazy to stop and figure it out, especially when it's not something I am curious about. If I had to guess, it would probably be close to the same in terms of power, but probably significantly more performant. Plus, I wouldn't care too much if the power consumption increased. That has never been something that mattered to me other than my belief that more is better. I've never been a believer in the silly notion of doing more with less... always more with more. I never cared that my 7980XE pulled 1100W from the wall in Cinebench when pushed to 53x on all cores. It was actually pretty awesome. The cynical part of my personality expects Intel to do something like that as a middle finger salute to 12900K/KF owners to show their (lack of) appreciation for buying a flagship product that gets moved to second fiddle in the same product generation. Just like the Green Goblin and 3090 Ti. "Thanks for stepping up and buying our best. Enjoy this ice pick in your back, fella." Intel kind of already is doing it with the 12900KS, but that's more of a binning thing than a unexpected surprise flagship replacement.

Thank you. It is pretty amazing that only an 8 core hyperthreaded CPU with a extra 8 garbage cores can run this fast and be so crazy powerful. It would have been especially nice to see a 12- or 16-core version without the wimpy baby-girl e-cores. Overall, I really like the platform, but I have yet to embrace the concept of the crappy core architecture. That part aside, I am glad I spent the money on it. Linux still has some broken functionality with Alder Lake. Hopefully full support won't be too long coming. Some of the software I use on Linux (such as cpufrquency-gui) refuse to launch and CPU-X reports erroneous information. Until it affects more Linux-only software developers it probably won't get fixed because it doesn't matter so much to them.

I pretty much butcher my Windows installations so they are totally FUBAR'd. I don't really give a rat's butt about security. I run for years with no updates and no antivirus software on the OSes I care about. I run scripts that physically remove Defender, disable updates, delete "essential" (essentially worthless) Micro$lop Services using Nsudo, etc. Then I have what I call a disposable crash dummy (stock) Windows installation that I leave exposed to the cancer and when it gets too bogged down with their worthless filth I restore a Macrium Reflect image on that drive and let the losers start their cycle of digital "update" scum all over again. I figure that the only way my spitefulness, hate and disrespect for their broken filth can be validated as having merit is by allowing them space to do their worst without them having the ability to affect me in a way that actually matters. That way, their stupidity and incompetence never creates an impediment or inconvenience for me. Both of my desktops are multiboot. Both have the disposable crash dummy OS, plus 2 versions of LTSC, Windows 7, Linux, and one of the crash dummy trash buckets is Winduhz 11. When I render a verdict of guilty and pass judgement on their crimes it is based on my experience as a victor that has triumphed in spite of their plan to make me a victim.

Thank you. No, but 32K would be nice. Already broke 31.5K, but not on Linux using wine at only 5.2GHz. /img/logo.png Mr. Fox`s Cinebench - R23 Multi Core with BenchMate score: 31537 cb with a Core i9 12900K HWBOT.ORG The Core i9 12900K @ 5454MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the Cinebench - R23 Multi Core with BenchMate...

Nice Cinebench run. I like that it runs on Linux, too. Not sure how much more nonsense I can tolerate from the Redmond Reprobates.

100%. I have been a huge fan of liquid metal for roughly a decade and frequently see a ~20°C improvement in load temps. And, nothing beats bare die + liquid metal. On my 7980XE it meant passing Cinebench R20 at 5.3GHz all core with no AVX offset and no thermal throttling versus thermal shutdown.

I don't have a good way to cool them as I did the DDR4 modules. They do get hot under certain circumstances (I have seen a max of about 52°C, which is very warm for memory) and start throwing TM5 errors due to the thermals. The same was true of my DDR4 modules. If they got hotter than about 40-45°C it would produce errors in TM5. Until heavy duty DDR5 heat sink jackets (like those used for water cooling) are available, I have a 120MM fan blowing on the modules to try to keep them cool. I may try some of my DDR4 heat sinks on these modules, but the jury is still out on whether they actually fit correctly. I tend to trust Igor more than a reddit users. DDR4 RAM cooler to DDR5? Not a good idea! The differences in detail including 3D scan and instructions WWW.IGORSLAB.DE Today it's about non-existing coolers for unavailable RAM, so once again pure unicorn cinema for all who are only missing the RAM for the new Intel system with

I also use an OptimusPC water block. I think they are by far the best. The Signature and Foundation water blocks are built extremely well in addition to working superbly. My radiator is a MORA 360, but I don't use any kind of radiator when I do extensive benching because the radiator conflicts with the efforts of the chiller and prevents the water from getting cold enough. I simply reroute the lines with QDC fittings and bypass the radiator. I'm also planning to delid and go bare die. I have been running bare die since 7th Gen and I wish Intel would offer a no IHS option for their processors. Everything would be so much easier that way. Some people say bare die is dangerous, but laptops have almost always been bare die. Even the mobile Extreme CPUs were.

Yes that is Cinebench stable with 0 AVX offset. This is my first MSI motherboard and I've not become intimately familiar with all of the settings as I have with Asus and EVGA firmware. The LLC is set on 6 but that's not the same as 6 on an Asus board. It's probably equal to about 5 on Asus. But I'm just guessing LOL. EVGA does LLC settings the best by expressing the values as a percentage rather than a meaningless number. This firmware seems like it is geared more toward tickling the aesthetic focus of a gamer than a no-nonsense overclocker the way things are laid out. And of course, as usual, some of the terminology is the MSI version of something Asus, EVGA, or another brand call something else. I wish all brands would adhere to stricter nomenclature standards. My video card still runs at x16 even with all of the m.2 slots filled and even with a sixth NVMe SSD inserted into the open X4 slot on an add-in card. I do have the onboard Wi-Fi/BT and second NIC disabled in the BIOS since I have no need for any of them and that may be allowing it to run at x16. It is unfortunate that all of the enthusiast motherboards are using UWP trash control center software. MSI Center is not as bloated and life-sucking as Armory Crate, but it is still rubbish. The UWP version of Mystic Light is every bit as trashy as Armory Create.

Thank you for your words of wisdom and concern. I sincerely appreciate them. I am not sure why Benchmate showed 1.51V unless it was an overshoot issue, and I will monitor that closer. I had the BIOS set at 1.475V override. I definitely don't want to kill this excellent CPU sample. It runs 52/41 on cores and 43x cache at 1.275V and 53/41 at 1.295V. My bigger concern right now relating to my daily driver clock speeds and not benching is the PCH temperature. Doing nothing (just idle) the PCH hovers around 80-85°C and I have seen it at 90°C. I have all five NVMe slots filled. If I remove a couple of them the temperatures drop about 5-8°C. I guess I am going to have to do some kind of hardware modification to keep the PCH from committing suicide. The PCH voltage is set to 0.850V (BIOS default value) but instead of "Auto" I switched it to override in an effort to try to control the high temps, since I don't know that "Auto" is not higher than default.

Looks like I got a good lottery ticket on the RAM and CPU IMC as well. I am only just now starting to tweak things. I have a ton of stuff to learn about Z690 overclocking and DDR5. Like going from Intel to Ryzen... or speaking a different language. These read/write/copy speeds remind me of my monster 7980XE benching days. https://hwbot.org/submission/4943746_mr._fox_wprime___32m_with_benchmate_core_i9_12900k_1sec_532ms https://hwbot.org/submission/4943767_mr._fox_wprime___1024m_with_benchmate_core_i9_12900k_37sec_90ms

Thank you. Seems like a solid silicon sample. I did not check in HWINFO64. In Cinebench R23 at 5.4GHz on P-cores, about 375W. Probably not quite that high in CPU-Z at 5.5GHz. https://hwbot.org/submission/4943498_mr._fox_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_core_i9_12900k_30908_cb/

OK, here is a first try with the new hardware.

I agree. I prefer using Steam since I have most of my games there. The trouble I am having with Steam now is I don't care for the indie stuff and my interests in gaming are extremely narrow. With few exceptions, I am ONLY interested in first-person shooter titles with a single-player offline campaign. I don't like playing games online and do not like open world games. The selection of titles I am interested in playing are getting harder to find on Steam because of all the stuff I view as garbage being sold on Steam. Yes, there have been a number of games purchased on Steam that require Origin or Uplay clients. When you launch the game on Steam it will automatically load the other client. I really hate that... super annoying. If I know this before I buy it, I won't buy it on Steam. I know there are others, but two that come to mind are Crysis, Crysis 2 and Far Cry 2. When I discovered that, I repurchased the same games on Origin and Uplay and do not install them on Steam. I also refuse to purchase anything from Micro$lop Game Studios any more. I am a big fan of the Gears of War franchise, but it sucks when the Digi-Nazi Clown Possee forces you to use the latest version of the Winduhz 10 abortion OS to play games. I don't want Windows Store filth on my systems, and I don't want to use their latest and less-than-greatest crap OS, so I don't play Gears of War for Windows 10 or Gears of War 4 anymore. I purchased Gears of War 5 on Steam and play it on Windows 7. It works flawlessly, which goes to show what a dishonest racket the Redmond Re-tards have going on.

That is good news. It always sucks to have to install a client for one or two games. Any time something moves away from being controlling, proprietary or monopolistic in design I consider it a good thing. I intentionally support businesses that do, and intentionally look for opportunities to avoid giving money to businesses that remain controlling, proprietary and monopolistic.

While the AMD users might be getting hurt harder at the moment, everyone using Windows 10 is a victim of performance degradation, and Windows 11 users moreso. Almost every Windows version change adds more unnecessary trash and overhead that consumes system resources, impairs performance.

If only I were getting off that easy. Flowers and chocolates would be the easy way out. Instead the price is a four-day weekend and repainting all of the interior walls in the main living areas of our house. She's definitely worth it, and then some, but I don't know that the parts will be, LOL. But, I would do it for her just because I love her. I guess I shouldn't tell her that or the price might go up.

OK. Talked to my wonderful wife. She agreed, but it's going to cost me some favors. 12900K - SP92 (P-core 104 / E-core 70) MSI MEG Z690 Unify-X TeamGroup Delta Black DDR5-6200 CL38-38-38-78 with Hynix IC Moving Z490 Dark components to work computer case Selling Z490 Strix with 4000 B-die RAM and 10850K SP84 CPU

A much sadder fact than needing a Micro$lop account to set up future versions of Winduhz 11 is that there are people that will. The tolerant sheeple are to blame for this. Their brainless compliance is the reason bad products and the bad people offering them prosper.

I did not take offense. Someone a lot smarter than me once said, "A merry heart does good, like medicine, But a broken spirit dries the bones." I agree with that.