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[pio]

Swapped a GTX 960 into the Ryzen 1400 rig, and it fixed it.  So now the question is, why are all 5 of my RX 580's broken in Ryzen setups?  I have this B350 board that "disconnects" the GPU's, and I also have my friend's Ryzen 1600 / B450 setup that does the same.  It's not the cards, they seem like they're working just fine......I mean seriously, 6 hours the other day stable.  And they disconnect at idle too, so its not even a load that's causing it.  I have a trick I'm going to try, thanks to a guy that goes by ShrimpBrine (HWBot people probably know the name).  Apparently it could potentially be a BIOS glitch on the boards with CSM.  I'm not going to give up until I have an RX 580 in these two Ryzen setups, functional.  One....because one of the rig's isn't even mine, and two, because an RX 580 is the "correct" GPU for my Ryzen 1400 I feel.  Either that or a FuryX, but I don't have one of those.

 

Sigh, the saga goes on!  

 

I also painted the front panel of my cracked Chieftec Dragon yesterday.  I ended up dropping a stupid cat hair on the wet paint though, and unfortunately its in a very visible spot.  So not sure what I'm going to do about that yet.  

[Avacado]

44 minutes ago, pioneerisloud said:

Swapped a GTX 960 into the Ryzen 1400 rig, and it fixed it.  So now the question is, why are all 5 of my RX 580's broken in Ryzen setups?  I have this B350 board that "disconnects" the GPU's, and I also have my friend's Ryzen 1600 / B450 setup that does the same.  It's not the cards, they seem like they're working just fine......I mean seriously, 6 hours the other day stable.  And they disconnect at idle too, so its not even a load that's causing it.  I have a trick I'm going to try, thanks to a guy that goes by ShrimpBrine (HWBot people probably know the name).  Apparently it could potentially be a BIOS glitch on the boards with CSM.  I'm not going to give up until I have an RX 580 in these two Ryzen setups, functional.  One....because one of the rig's isn't even mine, and two, because an RX 580 is the "correct" GPU for my Ryzen 1400 I feel.  Either that or a FuryX, but I don't have one of those.

 

Sigh, the saga goes on!  

 

I also painted the front panel of my cracked Chieftec Dragon yesterday.  I ended up dropping a stupid cat hair on the wet paint though, and unfortunately its in a very visible spot.  So not sure what I'm going to do about that yet.  

Dude, this is the reason I sold all of my threadrippers and abandoned the F@H projects. I could not get anything running right on AMD. 

[pio]

4 minutes ago, Avacado said:

Dude, this is the reason I sold all of my threadrippers and abandoned the F@H projects. I could not get anything running right on AMD. 

What's funny is though, the same EXACT motherboard that's giving me problems (one of), I ran an RX 580 perfectly fine with my Ryzen 3600 rig before I got my 5700XT.  That same B450 is paired with my friend's Ryzen 1600AF, and....yeah random disconnects.

 

I'm having other random issues with other builds here, but that is either my own mis-doings, or simple incompatibilities or busted parts.  This one issue is really leaving me scratching my head here.

[schuck6566]

6 hours ago, pioneerisloud said:

What's funny is though, the same EXACT motherboard that's giving me problems (one of), I ran an RX 580 perfectly fine with my Ryzen 3600 rig before I got my 5700XT.  That same B450 is paired with my friend's Ryzen 1600AF, and....yeah random disconnects.

 

I'm having other random issues with other builds here, but that is either my own mis-doings, or simple incompatibilities or busted parts.  This one issue is really leaving me scratching my head here.

Ran across this in the AMD forums while looking for more on your issue.

 

System crashes with RX 580 and B450 - always - AMD Community

COMMUNITY.AMD.COM

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Hi guys, I'm facing a continuous problem with my current setup: AMD Graphics Card 8192MB ATI Radeon RX 580 Series (XFX Pine Group): ...

 

[pio]

8 minutes ago, schuck6566 said:

Ran across this in the AMD forums while looking for more on your issue.

 

System crashes with RX 580 and B450 - always - AMD Community

COMMUNITY.AMD.COM

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Hi guys, I'm facing a continuous problem with my current setup: AMD Graphics Card 8192MB ATI Radeon RX 580 Series (XFX Pine Group): ...

 

Read through the whole thread, it seems they're having a different issue.  Mine SEEMS to be CSM related with the RX580's.  But I can't seem to figure out an exact solution to the problem.  The card ran Valley for hours and hours, its clearly fine.  The motherboard ran fine for days with the GTX 960, so again, fine.  And its an issue on 2 completely different motherboards, a B350 and B450, but yet my other B450, the RX 580's run fine in it.  

 

They were also reporting BSOD's, I don't have that.  I get the windows disconnect noise, and the screen immediately freezes.  Upon a reboot, I can check event viewer, and it shows the GPU was disconnected.  But yet there's no rhyme or reason for it to be happening.

 

And yeah, its still doing it as of the last few tests when playing with CSM in the BIOS.  I'm almost wondering if I need to update the VBIOS on the cards, but I can't seem to find a proper answer on that either.

[pio]

After researching and researching the issue, I really feel like I'm never going to get an RX 580 working with the B350 board (nor with my friend's B450).  Weird that they work fine in my personal B450 board, but whatever.  

 

Working on a deal right now with an ebay seller to buy a FuryX and a Vega64, and he's tossing in a 7950 for free since I'm a collector.  This will mean that my GPU collection will be 100% complete if the deal goes through!   (It also means a spare Tahiti card, which I won't say no to that, I LOVE Tahiti!)  Crossfire HD7900's on my Phenom II 1100T rig?  Maybe........ Talk about a bottleneck.....

 

Here's to hoping that the FuryX doesn't have the same CSM bug as the RX 400 and RX 500 series cards.  It shouldn't as its older.  I haven't read any reports of the Fury lineup having the same bug anyway.

Edited August 6, 2022 by pioneerisloud

[pio]

Waiting to hear back from the seller on those cards on Saturday, he's out of town working and won't be home till then.  So that's currently on pause.  Excited about it though.  

 

The frustration continues with my kiddo's rig.  Got the new ASRock B450m Pro4 in Saturday and decided to go ahead and give it a go last night.  Still no go, no POST.  It's weird, it'll work sometimes if I reseat it, and other times it won't, but it still freezes in BIOS too (on his original board).  The CPU drops right into the socket, no problems at all.  It's not acting like the pins are bent on it.

 

Started an RMA request with AMD for the CPU as I don't see anything at all wrong with it.  Attached is a picture of the pins.  I have absolutely no clue what's wrong with it.  I also just placed an order for a 2600x on ebay, it should be here hopefully next week sometime.  Worst case, I'll have a spare CPU laying around I guess, or I can sell it on craigslist or something if AMD takes the RMA.  Assuming his original B450m Pro4 works fine with the 2600x (it should since the CPU didn't work in a BNIB one), then I'll be sending the BNIB motherboard back as no longer needed / didn't work out.  SIGH! -_-

 

[Sir Beregond]

9 hours ago, pioneerisloud said:

Waiting to hear back from the seller on those cards on Saturday, he's out of town working and won't be home till then.  So that's currently on pause.  Excited about it though.  

 

The frustration continues with my kiddo's rig.  Got the new ASRock B450m Pro4 in Saturday and decided to go ahead and give it a go last night.  Still no go, no POST.  It's weird, it'll work sometimes if I reseat it, and other times it won't, but it still freezes in BIOS too (on his original board).  The CPU drops right into the socket, no problems at all.  It's not acting like the pins are bent on it.

 

Started an RMA request with AMD for the CPU as I don't see anything at all wrong with it.  Attached is a picture of the pins.  I have absolutely no clue what's wrong with it.  I also just placed an order for a 2600x on ebay, it should be here hopefully next week sometime.  Worst case, I'll have a spare CPU laying around I guess, or I can sell it on craigslist or something if AMD takes the RMA.  Assuming his original B450m Pro4 works fine with the 2600x (it should since the CPU didn't work in a BNIB one), then I'll be sending the BNIB motherboard back as no longer needed / didn't work out.  SIGH! -_-

 

Such an odd gremlin. Hopefully all goes well with the RMA.

 

So I was looking at my local Micro Center the other day and did you know they are still getting in new stock of Zen 2 parts? I had to laugh though as their 3900X was the same price as their 5900X, so not really sure what they are doing.

[schuck6566]

11 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

Such an odd gremlin. Hopefully all goes well with the RMA.

 

So I was looking at my local Micro Center the other day and did you know they are still getting in new stock of Zen 2 parts? I had to laugh though as their 3900X was the same price as their 5900X, so not really sure what they are doing.

lol, Amazon has the 5700X on sale for $249.00 & the 3700X on sale for $299.00. Go figure... the 3700X has a cooler & the 5700X doesn't is the only added difference I can see other than the generational ones.

[pio]

The RMA was denied by AMD this morning.  Apparently my chip was an OEM CPU out of a pre-built. -_-  Rage bought another 2600x on ebay for $90.  Whatever, this should fix it this time.

[pio]

Update:

 

May I present, "ThunderK7"!  

 

Specs:
AMD Thunderbird K7 1100MHz

2x512MB Corsair Value DDR400 @ 133Mhz
Antec PP-352X 350w PSU

ATI Radeon 9800XT

SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 sound card

TP Link Gigabit LAN

Adaptec Ultra ATA133 controller

16x DVD-ROM

48x16x48 CDRW

Compact Flash Reader (will be painted, don't worry)

Iomega ZIP250

Floppy Disk

Seagate 160GB IDE Hard Drive

Fully Restored Beige Chieftec Dragon case (Antec branded)

 

Will eventually have Windows 2000 on it, trying XP on it now (it works, tested a week ago).  I did the best I could do with the spaghetti cables, I think it turned out pretty decently considering all the cables in there.  I did avoid using ribbon cables, even though there's no side panel window.  Overall, I'm really pleased with how it turned out except that stupid black and white, very vibrant CF reader.  Luckily I had extra paint on hand, so no big deal there.   

 

 

[Sir Beregond]

Hell yeah, looking good Pio. The builds we had in the house growing up at the time were definitely far messier cable wise, by comparison this looks pretty damn good to me. 

[pio]

6 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

Hell yeah, looking good Pio. The builds we had in the house growing up at the time were definitely far messier cable wise, by comparison this looks pretty damn good to me. 

 

Yeah, after some deliberation....I might be pulling the UltraATA  133 card and the 160GB HDD out of there.  I've got Win98SE Plus! on it right now, and its using a whopping 1.5GB of space.  I don't think even with Windows 2000 on here I'll ever need more than 32-64GB that the CF cards can give me.  Probably better to save the 160GB HDD for my Athlon-XP build (with XP) coming up soon ish.

[Storm-Chaser]

2 minutes ago, pioneerisloud said:

 

Yeah, after some deliberation....I might be pulling the UltraATA  133 card and the 160GB HDD out of there.  I've got Win98SE Plus! on it right now, and its using a whopping 1.5GB of space.  I don't think even with Windows 2000 on here I'll ever need more than 32-64GB that the CF cards can give me.  Probably better to save the 160GB HDD for my Athlon-XP build (with XP) coming up soon ish.

Any way you can connect an SSD up to that thing? Unless you are going for the authentic build. 

[pio]

10 minutes ago, Storm-Chaser said:

Any way you can connect an SSD up to that thing? Unless you are going for the authentic build. 

I could, but then I'd need to retain the PCI ATA133 card.  I have adapters that can convert IDE to SATA, and there's older HP SSD's that work fine in IDE mode.  I'm actually doing that on my Socket 754 build.  The problem with doing so, those adapters (because they're SATA I'm guessing), only work with ONE drive on the IDE channel.  I've got 4 drives in there and 2 channels (if I take out the 160GB hdd that is).

 

What's even cooler (to me), is that I "kinda" have internet access on the thing already.  Ish.  I setup a FTP on my NAS already, and I can connect to it with IE6.

Edited August 12, 2022 by pioneerisloud

[Storm-Chaser]

20 minutes ago, pioneerisloud said:

 

What's even cooler (to me), is that I "kinda" have internet access on the thing already.  Ish.  I setup a FTP on my NAS already, and I can connect to it with IE6.

lol

 

Maybe try Netscape navigator instead, probably a little more secure at the very least. 

 

Really though you should go period correct with your internet connection as well. That means 28.8K dial up! 

[pio]

1 minute ago, Storm-Chaser said:

lol

 

Maybe try Netscape navigator instead, probably a little more secure at the very least. 

 

Really though you should go period correct with your internet connection as well. That means 28.8K dial up! 

Don't tempt me.  The thought of creating my own dial up ISP had already occurred to me once before.  I don't have a landline though.  I might one day, not even joking.  I do want to play around eventually with dial up LAN gaming as some of the older games I want to play support that.  Not today though, today I'm just happy its alive, and 100% functional.  I didn't even really WANT 98 on here, it was supposed to have 2000.  Lack of blank CD's, and it wouldn't boot an older than Vista OS off a flash drive, meant I had to use my old collection of CD's that are falling apart.  My 98SE disc was fine, so used that. 

[pio]

So, I've been using that T-Bird build the last 2 days backing up my CD wallet collection.   It's been working absolutely fantastically.....BETTER than I had anticipated.  I have Windows 98SE Plus! installed on it, and I can't even begin to describe how happy it makes me seeing 98 again.  I can even use my NAS on it through Firefox or IE6 (Firefox works better), so that means I can even upload my CD images to my NAS when completed.  Today, I'm installing games to it to play around with.  I found out too, ONLINE games actually still work on Windows 98!  I played a round of "Open Arena" (Quake 3) online yesterday on it with other players!!!!!  I know I wanted 2000 on this build, but until I get the K6 running (which ALL of the drives are no good in that for sure now), I'm more than happy with 98 on this one.   

 

The original ebay seller I was talking to with the Fury and Vega never responded back to me as I had found a Vega for a much more reasonable price and I let him know.  I told him I still wanted his Fury, but yeah, no response for a week now.  Whatever.  Vega64 hopefully will be incoming soon as well from a forum member here.  Idk if I'm supposed to name names yet for him or not, but yeah, he gave me a deal I just couldn't pass up with today's modern GPU markets and my income levels.

 

I forget if I mentioned previously too, but a Ryzen 2600x should be here Monday to fix kiddo's rig (where the Vega will be going for its permanent home).  I'm hoping this means I can send the BNIB B450m back to newegg.  This also means that my "backup GPU" will actually be something usable, that GTX 970 that kiddo's been using.

/update /rant or whatever this is.  Back to playing around on Windows 98!

Edited August 16, 2022 by pioneerisloud

[Storm-Chaser]

8 hours ago, pioneerisloud said:

So, I've been using that T-Bird build the last 2 days backing up my CD wallet collection.   It's been working absolutely fantastically.....BETTER than I had anticipated.  I have Windows 98SE Plus! installed on it, and I can't even begin to describe how happy it makes me seeing 98 again.  I can even use my NAS on it through Firefox or IE6 (Firefox works better), so that means I can even upload my CD images to my NAS when completed.  Today, I'm installing games to it to play around with.  I found out too, ONLINE games actually still work on Windows 98!  I played a round of "Open Arena" (Quake 3) online yesterday on it with other players!!!!!  I know I wanted 2000 on this build, but until I get the K6 running (which ALL of the drives are no good in that for sure now), I'm more than happy with 98 on this one.   

 

Also, just bought a FuryX for the B350 / Ryzen 1400 build.  The original ebay seller I was talking to with the Fury and Vega never responded back to me as I had found a Vega for a much more reasonable price and I let him know.  I told him I still wanted his Fury, but yeah, no response for a week now.  Whatever.  Just paid for the FuryX.  Vega64 hopefully will be incoming soon as well from a forum member here.  Idk if I'm supposed to name names yet for him or not, but yeah, he gave me a deal I just couldn't pass up with today's modern GPU markets and my income levels.

 

I forget if I mentioned previously too, but a Ryzen 2600x should be here Monday to fix kiddo's rig (where the Vega will be going for its permanent home).  I'm hoping this means I can send the BNIB B450m back to newegg.  This also means that my "backup GPU" will actually be something usable, that GTX 970 that kiddo's been using.

/update /rant or whatever this is.  Back to playing around on Windows 98!

Don't forget Doom II

[Storm-Chaser]

18 hours ago, pioneerisloud said:

I can't even begin to describe how happy it makes me seeing 98 again.  I can even use my NAS on it through Firefox or IE6 (Firefox works better)

I have a second SSD drive and perhaps I will try to install 98 SE/2000/Vista for dual boot. I really want to see those old GUIs again. Vista, in my opinion, was Microsoft's most visually appealing OS to date. It's a z820 so I think at the very least I should be able to run Vista.

 

If you need an OS image let me know. I have win 2000 sp4 with all the updates

Edited August 14, 2022 by Storm-Chaser

[pio]

6 hours ago, Storm-Chaser said:

I have a second SSD drive and perhaps I will try to install 98 SE/2000/Vista for dual boot. I really want to see those old GUIs again. Vista, in my opinion, was Microsoft's most visually appealing OS to date. It's a z820 so I think at the very least I should be able to run Vista.

 

If you need an OS image let me know. I have win 2000 sp4 with all the updates

I agree with you on Vista.  I'm honestly torn on which was more visually appealing, 98 Plus! or Vista.  Maybe XP Plus!  but I haven't tried that one in years either.  Visually appealing, probably Vista though with the aero and widgets.

 

I've got all of my CD's archived on my NAS, so I don't need any images.  I need blank CD's so I can boot them on this K7 rig.  I'll buy some later on.  I'm happy with it having 98 on there for now lol.

[Sir Beregond]

Vista's problem was that they slapped all these "ready for Vista" stickers on machines that really were not capable of running it. Hence the bad rap it got. Otherwise it was basically version 1.0 of Windows 7 and was just fine. I agree it looked great.

[pio]

Couple of updates:

 

Kiddo's rig (the Ryzen 2600 build) is now working.  I don't know HOW I managed to do it, but his CPU doesn't work still, the old 2600.  His new 2600x does work fine though.  Weirdly enough, his RAM doesn't work though.  So there's another issue, now I'm short 2x8GB of DDR4. -_-  It'll work out though, usually does.  For now, I've got 8GB in his, and 8GB in the Ryzen 1400 rig.  Still waiting on a Vega for his anyway, which is on order.  I've submitted a return with newegg on the B450M Pro4 I just bought that's still BNIB, I installed the CPU once and it didn't work, so yeah, no need to keep that board around and I'm still within the return window.  Once that gets returned, I'll buy him another kit of RAM.  No big deal.  Then his rig will be 100% complete.

Other update:
Got busy with some paint today.  I'm still having GPU issues with these AGP cards.  For some odd reason, they do not want to play DX titles on any of my AGP rigs, on any OS.  They keep freezing.  I'm thinking old thermal grease maybe?  The caps look fine on them.  If anybody feels comfortable enough to take apart old AGP GPU's (some may have severely stripped bolts), PM me.  Otherwise, I might end up having to keep my eyes peeled for some Nvidia GPU's of the era maybe, I'm not sure.  Not what I WANT to do, but if that's what it takes to play old games, then so be it.  At least I'll have the Radeons for the collection anyway.  It DOES play Quake just fine, and Quake 3 Arena (and Open Arena even online).  So its not ALL bad.   Looks wise, this rig's done.  I do still have a little bit of tweaking here and there on it, but overall, this is the finalized product.

 

[pio]

Just received a box in from another forum member off site.  Some of you probably know the guy if you've ever been to hwbot.  Mr.Scott, I know you're not here, but THANK YOU!  I won't go into too much detail as to what was in the box, but its a ton of good stuff that's going to help out on these last 3 old builds.

 

For now, I'm going to focus on getting these AGP GPU's to work correctly, and that's going to require taking them apart and re-greasing and re-padding them.  As I cannot do it, I'm going to be outsourcing those deeds to a good buddy of mine from OCN, been good buddies since 2006.  I'll be shipping the AGP cards (and maybe my 2900XT and 3870) off to him on payday, and see what kind of luck he has taking them all apart.  I know my Radeon 9800XT has completely rounded out bolts, and I just am NOT comfortable trying to fix that myself after my GTX 470 fiasco (search it on OCN).  I've never been good at getting stripped bolts out, and he's got the stuff on hand to do so.  

Once I have the AGP cards back in hand again, and NOT sitting here overheating at idle, I should be ready to build the last 2, maybe even all 3 of the last rigs for the collection.  I'm still not 100% decided on doing a K5 / Win95 build yet since I have literally nothing on hand for that yet, and I started with 98.

Also, huge shout out to @tictoc.  He knows why.  Something special is coming in next week for my son's build from him.

[schuck6566]

Just an FYI, finally found the issue with an old athlon X2  systems graphics. I removed an odd ball memory stick because of boot issues(only had 3 sticks at the time) and now with the 2 in single channel the graphics card stopped having artifacts during the boot. It's an old dell inspiron 531 with an nvidia chipset. I may try some test with it later.

Edit: Looks like it was the gt315, went back later after updates installed and the restart was even worse for artifacts & blurred screen. Found another memory and replaced the card with a gtx750ti, so far so good.

Edited August 22, 2022 by schuck6566