extreme tech Nvidia RTX 3080 Ti Replaces 3090 for Many Gamers, 3070 Ti Coming Soon

[Avacado]

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Nvidia has finally taken the lid off their upcoming RTX 3080 Ti, a new GPU dropping tomorrow as a near-replacement in many workloads for the RTX 3090. The big differentiator here will be VRAM, and gamers who don’t need more than 12GB will be able to save a little money, so long as you were in the market for a $1,000+ GPU in the first place.

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Nvidia isn’t shy about asking for money for the card, either. The RTX 3080 Ti has 1.17x more cores than its predecessor, but it’s a whopping 1.71x more expensive. We can assume there will be a future GPU to address this gap, but the price increase here is exactly the opposite of how a typical refresh cycle works.

 

 

 

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[J7SC_Orion]

2 hours ago, Avacado said:

 

 

 

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...it should be interesting to see what kind of supply volume of 3080 Tis hit the actual retail market, what with 'LHR' enabled on that card, and thus at least the mining crowd being redirected (though this LHR approach has yet to be truly market-tested).

 

The other thing I look forward to see is the actual MSRP difference to the 3090 between the same-model AIBs, ie. Strix OC 3080 Ti vs Strix OC 3090. 

[UltraMega]

Looks like it's about ~11% faster than the 3080. At nearly twice the price, not something I would lean toward.

[mouacyk]

For those who are analytically disinclined:

 

[J7SC_Orion]

...well, that went well 

  

 

 

[UltraMega]

I mean to be fair it's cheaper than a 3090 and basically on par for gaming. 

[J7SC_Orion]

36 minutes ago, UltraMega said:

I mean to be fair it's cheaper than a 3090 and basically on par for gaming. 

 

...but only half the memory, and severe mining limiters (the latter for now, at least). For business, we need 16 GB VRAM min...so the 3090 has that going for it, what with 24 GB. Compared to the 10 GB 3080, 3080 Ti and its 12 GB makes little sense financially.

 

I'm speculating, but wondering if may be the Samsung 8nm yields are thinner than anticipated, and 3080 Ti allows for offloading some product that didn't pass the 3090 test

[schuck6566]

13 hours ago, UltraMega said:

I mean to be fair it's cheaper than a 3090 and basically on par for gaming. 

at only about 2% slower than the 3090 and actually faster in some circumstances (depending on memory usage) it's pretty much the better option for gaming now.

20 hours ago, UltraMega said:

Looks like it's about ~11% faster than the 3080. At nearly twice the price, not something I would lean toward.

It's more of a 3090 competitor....

 

12 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

...but only half the memory, and severe mining limiters (the latter for now, at least). For business, we need 16 GB VRAM min...so the 3090 has that going for it, what with 24 GB. Compared to the 10 GB 3080, 3080 Ti and its 12 GB makes little sense financially.

 

I'm speculating, but wondering if may be the Samsung 8nm yields are thinner than anticipated, and 3080 Ti allows for offloading some product that didn't pass the 3090 test

Saw a vid where they were saying how they'd be saving money on the cards because they only use half the ram as the 3090. So they'd be able to sell 2 gaming 3080ti's with the same ram over head as 1 3090 gaming sale.

[schuck6566]

When will Nvidia make it easier for consumers to figure out which card they need/want? These are shots from Nvidia's own website "comparing" the current generation of cards. If all you need to know is how much ram the card has it's very helpful. But what about cuda cores? Memory speed? Would ANYONE here purchase a gpu based solely on the info that Nvidia supplies in the "compare" section? Does anyone else think they could include a tad more info?

[J7SC_Orion]

^^..."Would ANYONE here purchase a gpu based solely on the info that Nvidia supplies in the "compare" section? Does anyone else think they could include a tad more info?"

 

What other info can they give you ?!:

 

...out of stock - out of stock - out of stock - overpriced - out of stock - overpriced and out of stock  

[schuck6566]

4 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

^^..."Would ANYONE here purchase a gpu based solely on the info that Nvidia supplies in the "compare" section? Does anyone else think they could include a tad more info?"

 

What other info can they give you ?!:

 

...out of stock - out of stock - out of stock - overpriced - out of stock - overpriced and out of stock  

Well, evga,gigabyte, on newegg show specs like this...

[schuck6566]

While cards listed on Nvidia and Best Buy show this limited crap....  (BestBuy shown here) I mean really,the color category is SUCH an important fact...

Edited June 3, 2021 by schuck6566

[schuck6566]

12 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

^^..."Would ANYONE here purchase a gpu based solely on the info that Nvidia supplies in the "compare" section? Does anyone else think they could include a tad more info?"

 

What other info can they give you ?!:

 

...out of stock - out of stock - out of stock - overpriced - out of stock - overpriced and out of stock  

How about a little more information on the cards hardware specs so I know WHICH link I want to click on to check for its availability?

[Avacado]

@schuck6566 Careful before you give @BWG a stroke from your triple post. 

[schuck6566]

I'm sorry, it's just that Nvidia tends to Bring out the Marvin in me..... 

 

[UltraMega]

1 hour ago, schuck6566 said:

at only about 2% slower than the 3090 and actually faster in some circumstances (depending on memory usage) it's pretty much the better option for gaming now.

It's more of a 3090 competitor....

 

True, but the 3090 never made much sense as a gaming card either, but at least it had some other features to sort of justify the cost. Both the 3080ti and the 3090 are barely faster than the 3080 for gaming and waaaay more expensive.

 

The 1080ti was about 35% faster than the 1080 and the price difference between them was less than with the new cards.

 

Feels pointless to debate the price though when they would sell just as many if the price were double.

Edited June 3, 2021 by UltraMega

[Sir Beregond]

16 hours ago, UltraMega said:

I mean to be fair it's cheaper than a 3090

Is it really?

[UltraMega]

1 hour ago, Sir Beregond said:

Is it really?

yes?

[Bastiaan_NL]

The Dutch webshops start at €2250 / $2730 for the cheapest 3080ti, they have lost their mind... 

[Sir Beregond]

2 hours ago, UltraMega said:

yes?

I'm not talking MSRPs or FE's strictly speaking here. Have heard of cheaper than 3080Ti 3090's. Heard of a guy getting a FTW3 3090 for $100 cheaper than a 3080Ti Strix.

Edited June 3, 2021 by Sir Beregond

[UltraMega]

3 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

I'm not talking MSRPs or FE's strictly speaking here. Have heard of cheaper than 3080Ti 3090's. Heard of a guy getting a FTW3 3090 for $100 cheaper than a 3080Ti Strix.

That makes sense, they're so close in performance and the gpu market is crazy but in general I think the 3090 will still go for more. 

[iamjanco]

Interesting (3080 ti eBay listings).

 

It's not like it wasn't expected.

[Sir Beregond]

12 hours ago, UltraMega said:

That makes sense, they're so close in performance and the gpu market is crazy but in general I think the 3090 will still go for more. 

I realize thread title is from article, but its literally a 3090 with half the VRAM for buku bucks. If this is for gamers, its Nvidia taking the piss out of the current market and their "mistake" business wise, of launching Ampere at the price points they did. Strictly speaking MSRPs, does a $1200 xx80 Ti class card sound familiar? 

Edited June 4, 2021 by Sir Beregond

[J7SC_Orion]

3080 Tis are closely related to 3090s, but apart from (slightly) fewer SMs / tensor and CUDA cores there's also the 12 GB vs 24 GB issue - and the LHR. The fact that a day after release, custom model-to-model (3080 Ti vs 3090) comparisons show that scalpers are asking up to US$ 2000 less for the equivalent 3080 Ti custom model (so everything else being equal) underscores the 'mining premium' is quite sizable - no surprise there. Non-LHR cards might even pick up in the used market because of this. That said, mining at the broadest scale looks to be subsiding a bit for a variety of reasons, including what could be termed competition from 'govcoins'., environmental regs et al.

 

For 'normal' / non-productivity use, the 3080 Ti makes more sense than a 3090, though far less $ense than a 3080, what with only 2 GB more VRAM - all this is of course is set in the caveat that most 3080-and-up Amperes (and AMD equivalents) are hard to find in the first place. Still, things might improve a bit if the mining component can be isolated out of the normal demand-supply market environment....or may be that's just wishful thinking...

 

...but I hope not. I am involved in management of two computer-related firms and while the commercial server side is a different market, the design and staging part of the office is squarely centered on workstations and pro-sumer models. From that perspective, a 3090 w/ 24 GB VRAM is a good deal compared to Quadros, depending on the exact applications and validation requirements. Typically, we're looking at an upgrade cycle of between two to three years - the problem is of course trying to upgrade for business in this crazy GPU (and earlier even CPU) market.

 

Still, I was lucky to find several AM4 16C CPUs at MSRP a few months back...and also a 3090 Strix OC, again at MSRP (before MSRP went up...). Same place we got all those also had a Radeon 6900 XT at MSRP (3x 8 Pin custom PCB) yesterday, so that was the last piece we needed for this upgrade cycle. The temptation to just buy at scalper prices was of course there, but I/we refuse to reward scalpers, and we had enough intermediate models (several 2080 Tis) to get us by, though everything in this new cycle has to have at least 16 GB of VRAM. I never fully bought in to the 'just-in-time-inventory' approach when it gets to critical inputs for your capital stock. 

 

In short, it can be frustrating when trying to buy a new high-end GPU for your gaming rig, but even more so, if you are trying to buy several for work, or for work-play hybrid functions. While we also purchase from Newegg, Amazon etc, we have a very good relationship with a local outlet of a national chain...as mentioned elsewhere, NONE of the latest high-end CPU and GPU upgrades were ever listed at their national online site because it was just a trickle of supply. Still, I had 'lightning strike' 4 or 5 times now at the same place...so the point is to keep your cool' re. scalper prices and just do the physical grazing of local outlets. I am certain this approach will also work for a 3080 Ti...

 

  

 

 

 

Edited June 4, 2021 by J7SC_Orion

[Avacado]

I knew the card was a soft launch for the real winner here, the Tie. I will henceforth no longer pronounce it "Tee Eye". 

 

 

Edited June 4, 2021 by Avacado