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[The Pook]

the Meshify 2 can take 120s or 140s up top, the issue isn't with there being no mounting holes/rail. Fractal even lists both 120 and 140 fans and radiators being supported up top, read the link I posted and look at the product page. 

 

 

The Meshify S2 and 2 (and R7?) have a radiator bracket up top that's removable.

 

You use the outer rail (the rail closest to the side panel) and the middle rail for 120 radiators and you use the two outside rails for 140s. The inner rail makes your rad sit closer to the motherboard so you'll hit your VRM and RAM if you don't have low profile RAM. 

 

If your RAM is >36mm (Google says your kit is) then you can't run a 140, 280, or 420 up top. Even if your RAM is <36mm, you'll still likely hit your VRM heatsinks. 

[bonami2]

12700k is worth it. 8 pcore instead of 6 and 4 ecore for your vm.

Could game and run vm at the same time.

 

 

A 5800x3d or 5900x could be a good option too.

 

Air cooler Noctua Nh d15 can cool it if it fit in your case.

 

For storage i love my sn850 but they are expensive.

 

 

 

[ipv89]

2 hours ago, The Pook said:

read the link, it explains it pretty well 

Ok so if I read correctly I could go with a 240 or 360 with the ram I have and I assume I should aim for a 360, last time I built a pc there were not as many aio options out there. The last one I owned was an original H80 and it still runs. 

[ipv89]

1 hour ago, bonami2 said:

12700k is worth it. 8 pcore instead of 6 and 4 ecore for your vm.

Could game and run vm at the same time.

 

 

A 5800x3d or 5900x could be a good option too.

 

Air cooler Noctua Nh d15 can cool it if it fit in your case.

 

For storage i love my sn850 but they are expensive.

 

 

 

Is it worth the extra $200?

[Avacado]

38 minutes ago, ipv89 said:

Is it worth the extra $200?

Not if it puts you outside of your budget.  A budget is a limit you set yourself for a reason. You should highly consider yours or the next thing you'll know you'll be a HWBot addict looking for another fix like Bastiaan and I. 

[bonami2]

4 hours ago, ipv89 said:

Is it worth the extra $200?

As Avacado said depend on your budget.

 

The 12600k can handle the task for sure.

Even a i3 12100f could probably those new intel core are very powerfull.

 

 

I just prefer the 12700k because it got 8 full core.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 27, 2022 by bonami2

[Storm-Chaser]

Sorry if this was answered already, are you planning to overclock?

[ipv89]

6 hours ago, Storm-Chaser said:

Sorry if this was answered already, are you planning to overclock?

I am unsure to be honest but I most likely will one day, the last cpu I purchased was the i5-3570k and that was a-lot of fun to oc.

 

Thinking of coolers for this build, I have read that a-lot of the aio's dont cut it for this gen. It seams even with a aio you can still end up hitting the thermal throttle. Whats everyones take on aio vs say a NH-d15s  

[Avacado]

The D-15 is still a beast. 220w TDP. The cooler Master 360 ML has a 280 TDP, so

 

The 12600k has a 150w TDP at 4.9GHz. 

[ipv89]

35 minutes ago, Avacado said:

The D-15 is still a beast. 220w TDP. The cooler Master 360 ML has a 280 TDP, so

 

The 12600k has a 150w TDP at 4.9GHz. 

I have seen it draw upwards of 230 on stress tests, it seams these chips can draw more power than stated. I am not too worried about thermal throttling say after 15 min of Prime95 as its not a real life scenario for me. 

 

If I am running a couple vm's and play a few rounds of civ I will be surprised if I hit thermal limits.

 

Anyway for a quick update here is my parts list

 

CPU: 12600k (12700k if $ allows, ill purchase this last)

Memory: Kingston 32GB (2x16) CL16 DDR4

Mobo: MSI pro z690-A

SSD: Samsung 980 Pro 1TB

Power: Corsair TX750m(mmmm I just realised this is 10 years old now so might replace with a RM850x or similar)

 

I started looking at video cards and WTFFFFFFF, a 3070 is just not much cheaper then the parts list above, I wont be buying one for at least 6months with those prices.

 

Thanks everyone for the help so far.

[schuck6566]

21 hours ago, ipv89 said:

I have seen it draw upwards of 230 on stress tests, it seams these chips can draw more power than stated. I am not too worried about thermal throttling say after 15 min of Prime95 as its not a real life scenario for me. 

 

If I am running a couple vm's and play a few rounds of civ I will be surprised if I hit thermal limits.

 

Anyway for a quick update here is my parts list

 

CPU: 12600k (12700k if $ allows, ill purchase this last)

Memory: Kingston 32GB (2x16) CL16 DDR4

Mobo: MSI pro z690-A

SSD: Samsung 980 Pro 1TB

Power: Corsair TX750m(mmmm I just realised this is 10 years old now so might replace with a RM850x or similar)

 

I started looking at video cards and WTFFFFFFF, a 3070 is just not much cheaper then the parts list above, I wont be buying one for at least 6months with those prices.

 

Thanks everyone for the help so far.

My build started out the opposite way, I purchased a RTX 2070 for an upgrade and it wouldn't post on my Dell. Posted fine on anther build with the same cpu/memory configs so I knew the card was good. Ran across a comment in nvidia forums about how they were having issues with some older dell bios not working right with the new cards. Wife convinced me to build a new comp since the dell was a 2nd gen i7(2013 purchase) and my parts for the whole comp weren't much more than $50.00 over the cost of the card from EVGA.($549.99 +$50.32 tax)  Comp parts were Ryzen 7 2700x ,16Gb ram,X470 Aorus Ultra Gaming Motherboard,120Gb NVME m.2,2Tb sata drive,Windows 10,computer case,EVGA 600w psu. Aurora Fan kit I won from InWin here on the site in a contest.   Edit: EVGA and Galax have a bunch of 3000 series RTX cards back in stock at semi reasonable prices.  

Edited April 28, 2022 by schuck6566

[bonami2]

Nh D15 can cool a stock 12700k but it close to throttling on mine.  I think my chip run ways hotter for some reason. Even my 360mm cooler had a hard time.

[ipv89]

24 minutes ago, bonami2 said:

Nh D15 can cool a stock 12700k but it close to throttling on mine.  I think my chip run ways hotter for some reason. Even my 360mm cooler had a hard time.

Dam! with most of my parts selected cooling is the hardest choice. Does it throttle under high load like gaming/rendering/compiling etc or are you only seeing this when you stress test?

 

I read all over the place that this gen from intel is hard to cool even at stock. Whats the point of releasing a processor that boosts to 4.9Ghz just to have it thermal throttle, why didn’t they just release them at lower clock speeds? This all makes me think that this gen would be terrible for overclocking as there is not much headroom at all and depending on the lottery your chip could be hitting thermal limits at stock.

 

I wonder if I have just been out of the game for too long but when I ran an i5-1570k I could never hit the throttle even with the stock cooler it could be slightly oc'd, in the end I ran it at a stable 4.8Ghz with a corsair H80.

 

I will likely go with the NH-D15s (to account for my tall ram) and see how it goes, if I have to upgrade then oh well..

 

[bonami2]

2 hours ago, ipv89 said:

Dam! with most of my parts selected cooling is the hardest choice. Does it throttle under high load like gaming/rendering/compiling etc or are you only seeing this when you stress test?

 

I read all over the place that this gen from intel is hard to cool even at stock. Whats the point of releasing a processor that boosts to 4.9Ghz just to have it thermal throttle, why didn’t they just release them at lower clock speeds? This all makes me think that this gen would be terrible for overclocking as there is not much headroom at all and depending on the lottery your chip could be hitting thermal limits at stock.

 

I wonder if I have just been out of the game for too long but when I ran an i5-1570k I could never hit the throttle even with the stock cooler it could be slightly oc'd, in the end I ran it at a stable 4.8Ghz with a corsair H80.

 

I will likely go with the NH-D15s (to account for my tall ram) and see how it goes, if I have to upgrade then oh well..

 

I think it because of the newer instruction that rendering and other software use it like furmark on gpu they just get used more effectively and that increase temperature and power draw.

 

My 12700k can game at 5.1 pcore and 4.1 ecore at 1.3v without any issue on my 360mm cooler. But folding@home hit 95-103c

depending on work unit.

Cinebench run cooler i think like 85c.

Socket temp is always at 90c+ for some reason.

 

At stock i can fold at days on the nh d15 but am still like 80c-90c

 

Gaming doesnt run hot as hot but depending on core usage.