AI is it legit or the new Cypto?

[VoidTheWarranty]

Anyone work in the industry? Seems like there's a lot of hype in AI right now however I don't know if it's basically investment marketing to pump these companies up or actually legit. Obviously AI has merit however is it completely overblown at this point.

Does anyone actually work in the industry or AI R&D on here?

[Sir Beregond]

Well I have a friend who leverages AI tools/ChatGPT heavily for his business. On a larger scale, I don't really know. I generally feel like AI is here to stay.

[J7SC_Orion]

Ai is already here and has been for some time. The latest crop of hardware though has started to expand the feasibility for more companies in the general economy. 

 

The real danger with so-called generative AI is the potential for abuse, in particular when combined with social media, meta-tagged search engine data and cloud storage. There are other problems re. copyright issues and so forth, and several major court cases are currently setting some precedents.  

 

All this does not mean that the stock-market won't overblow everything, than do the same in the opposite direction. The current hype is a bit like the old 'dot-com' bubble from 23 years ago; it bloated then crashed, but ecommerce stayed and buried itself deeper into everything in our life. 

[Sir Beregond]

26 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

Ai is already here and has been for some time. The latest crop of hardware though has started to expand the feasibility for more companies in the general economy. 

 

The real danger with so-called generative AI is the potential for abuse, in particular when combined with social media, meta-tagged search engine data and cloud storage. There are other problems re. copyright issues and so forth, and several major court cases are currently setting some precedents.  

 

All this does not mean that the stock-market won't overblow everything, than do the same in the opposite direction. The current hype is a bit like the old 'dot-com' bubble from 23 years ago; it bloated then crashed, but ecommerce stayed and buried itself deeper into everything in our life. 

Yep, I think that's a perfect analogy for this. Everyone and their mother is starting their own AI based stuff but in the end it will be a few that really take it over, and it's definitely not going anywhere. Its just going to start permitting everything whether big or small.

[UltraMega]

AI is flexible enough now to be used by a much wider audience for everyday tasks. It's only going to grow. Definitely not hype. Investing in companies poised to benefit from growth in AI is like living in the desert and investing in water right now. There's no limit on how much the AI industry can grow. 

[Slaughtahouse]

AI is likely here to stay but definitely feels over hyped at the moment. I feel things will cool down in a year or so but it likely won’t fall off the face of the earth like NFTs, blockchain, and metaverse vapourware.

 

Pendulums swing and right now it just came crashing into the room.

[UltraMega]

It doesn't make sense to compare AI to crypto at all. They have nothing in common other than that they both use GPUs. AI serves a real purpose, it's definitely not at all a similar kind of fad. 

[Slaughtahouse]

8 hours ago, UltraMega said:

It doesn't make sense to compare AI to crypto at all. They have nothing in common other than that they both use GPUs. AI serves a real purpose, it's definitely not at all a similar kind of fad. 

I’m talking about the mind share, presence in media, general sentiment.

 

Not the functionality of the tech. AI is being thrown excessively as a solution   or tool for every job that people believe can be automated.

[J7SC_Orion]

...FYI...

 

[schuck6566]

Is it legit? Ask the workers at IBM....

IBM Will Stop Hiring Humans For Jobs AI Can Do, Report Says

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Some 7,800 human jobs could be replaced in the coming years by AI programs, IBM CEO Arvind Krishna told Bloomberg.

 

[UltraMega]

13 hours ago, Slaughtahouse said:

I’m talking about the mind share, presence in media, general sentiment.

 

Not the functionality of the tech. AI is being thrown excessively as a solution   or tool for every job that people believe can be automated.

Nvidia beat it's most recent earnings call the other day. That's not mindshare, that's real money.

[Slaughtahouse]

9 hours ago, UltraMega said:

Nvidia beat it's most recent earnings call the other day. That's not mindshare, that's real money.

 

If Nvidia is nearly the sole provider of enterprise AI hardware at a time where some of the companies with the deepest pockets are fighting to remain competitive (Google etc.) that doesn’t change my view.

 

I still believe AI is over evaluated, over hyped, or any other description that can to describe the fact that AI is not as suitable for the amount of solutions  people or companies think it will provide.

 

I don’t doubt there is a lot of potential but… how it’s being applied today feels extremely unfocused, like casting a wide spread net in the middle of the Atlantic ocean hoping to fish a golden trout. One might argue until the scope of AI is really defined, that might be the only way we innovate, right?

 

I’ll continue to watch with an open mind but for the moment, it still feels like everyone is trying to simply cash on the AI, large language model hype (Chat GPT). 

 

E.g., 

Asus will offer local ChatGPT-style AI servers for office use

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"AFS Appliance" will avoid the cloud and place an AI language model on premises.

 

 

Edited June 2, 2023 by Slaughtahouse

[UltraMega]

1 hour ago, Slaughtahouse said:

 

If Nvidia is nearly the sole provider of enterprise AI hardware at a time where some of the companies with the deepest pockets are fighting to remain competitive (Google etc.) that doesn’t change my view.

 

I still believe AI is over evaluated, over hyped, or any other description that can to describe the fact that AI is not as suitable for the amount of solutions  people or companies think it will provide.

 

I don’t doubt there is a lot of potential but… how it’s being applied today feels extremely unfocused, like casting a wide spread net in the middle of the Atlantic ocean hoping to fish a golden trout. One might argue until the scope of AI is really defined, that might be the only way we innovate, right?

 

I’ll continue to watch with an open mind but for the moment, it still feels like everyone is trying to simply cash on the AI, large language model hype (Chat GPT). 

 

E.g., 

Asus will offer local ChatGPT-style AI servers for office use

ARSTECHNICA.COM

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"AFS Appliance" will avoid the cloud and place an AI language model on premises.

 

 

If anything, I think AI is undervalued. It's advancements come quick now, and it's rate of expansion is only going to increase. Nvidia does have somewhat of a monopoly right now just by being the only big player in town, but the AI market overall is still young. 

[J7SC_Orion]

FYI...

 

[UltraMega]

6 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

FYI...

 

This test was a simulation specifically to see how an opporator would be able to respond if the AI drone stopped accepting commands. It was literally the point of the test. Pure click bait. 

[pio]

10 minutes ago, UltraMega said:

This test was a simulation specifically to see how an opporator would be able to respond if the AI drone stopped accepting commands. It was literally the point of the test. Pure click bait. 

What's an opporator?  Sorry, I'm not too up to date with the AI terms.

Regardless, I always said AI is a tool.  Nothing more, nothing less.  So long as we respect that tool, and use it to better our lives, then I see nothing wrong with it.  I think just like Crypto (at least for now), its probably here to stay.  I don't think it's comparable though, one is a form of currency, and the other is a tool.

[UltraMega]

21 minutes ago, pioneerisloud said:

What's an opporator?  Sorry, I'm not too up to date with the AI terms.

In this context, it's the person controlling the drone. Not an AI term. 

[pio]

8 minutes ago, UltraMega said:

In this context, it's the person controlling the drone. Not an AI term. 

Oh okay that makes sense now.  The opporater contrals the drones.

[J7SC_Orion]

42 minutes ago, pioneerisloud said:

What's an opporator?  Sorry, I'm not too up to date with the AI terms.

Regardless, I always said AI is a tool.  Nothing more, nothing less.  So long as we respect that tool, and use it to better our lives, then I see nothing wrong with it.  I think just like Crypto (at least for now), its probably here to stay.  I don't think it's comparable though, one is a form of currency, and the other is a tool.

 

...good point on the currency item.

 

As to the story about the drone, it is linked on the front page of the BBC.  It is still all early days, but one of the goals is to have a 'drone swarm' controlled either from the ground, or a military plane, and the AI is supposed to eventually take over the swarm control, but obviously, it first has to be trained by an operator/s. One issue is what happens when there are disruptions in communications and/or visual references - 'return to base' ?

[UltraMega]

1 hour ago, pioneerisloud said:

Regardless, I always said AI is a tool.  Nothing more, nothing less. 

 

I agree with this point but I think it needs to be said that not all tools are equal. AI is a tool, but it's one hell of a multi-purpose tool, and one that is going to be continually improving for all foreseeable future. No amount of hammers will figure out how to do the most tedious and labor-intensive parts of a lawyer's job, or write everything from simple memos to detailed articles, or learn how to pass medical exams. AI is a tool, but it's an incredibly disruptive one that we are only scratching the surface of right now. I have no doubt AI will cause major shifts in society during our lifetimes, at least for those of us under 50 or so. 

Even just imagining a time when self-driving cars becomes the standard instead of a rare feature seems like something that would have a huge impact on society, and that is a very real thing that will almost for sure happen in the next few decades. 

 

Once we put a good enough AI in a good enough machine that it can build more machines like itself, it's a whole new world and we're really not that far away. 


Sometimes AI makes me think about the Fermi Paradox and makes me wonder if perhaps there are places in the universe were an intelligence life form once existed, created advanced AI that can self-replicate and self-improve and thus outlived its creators; and there is some kind of AI swarm out there, or perhaps many. 

[Sir Beregond]

[Slaughtahouse]

48 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

LOL

[schuck6566]

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[VoidTheWarranty]

So whenever I hear AI Nvidia pops up. I feel like Nvidia has an incredible Marketing team they sell the crap feature for a premium to idiots. While that's not bad when it comes to sales it's another when it comes to a long term investment into a specific technology. I worry Nvidia may still be overpriced from Crypto + pandemic however are they seriously that much of a dominant fixture when it comes to AI? Who are other serious players considering TESLA and NVIDIA stock seemed to be linked for whatever crazy reasons right now.  

[neurotix]

AI will never have true creativity or spontaneity of a real person, especially an artist. It will never have a flash of inspiration. If it's writing something, it will never have writer's block.

 

If they can run the AI on a massive neural network that has as many synapses and nerves as a human brain, perhaps it would be capable of the above. Last I heard, the largest neural network running an AI was only simulating 12% of a human brain on a supercomputer, and it is unlikely that they will be able to simulate the human brain until at least 2050. Sorry, I don't have any sources to back this up but it was in a slashdot article or something a few years back.

 

It seems to me to be more of a toy in practical use nowadays, or an assistant, but that is all it should be and probably will be. They need to do A LOT more research into AI ethics and AI safety especially before we allow it into our lives. Last I heard, there is research into AI safety but the results aren't very good.

 

Personally, typing this on my phone (Google Pixel 6a) they have greatly improved the suggestion system in Gboard above the keyboard compared to my old phone, probably using AI. Other than that, we have no smart devices and no Alexa or cameras...And we live well and just fine without them.

Edited July 1, 2023 by neurotix