HWBOT: Team ExtremeHW

[Sir Beregond]

  On 12/12/2022 at 19:37, neurotix said:

 

There is none. I'm pretty certain of it. Only in the Extreme Tweaker menu. It's a feature specific to certain boards, I know Asus boards have it but unsure about others.

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Well I think E has an Asrock, not an ASUS board, so I imagine there's ways to do it outside of ASUS specific menus that are dubious in effectiveness from one board to another.

[neurotix]

  On 12/12/2022 at 19:43, Sir Beregond said:

Well I think E has an Asrock, not an ASUS board, so I imagine there's ways to do it outside of ASUS specific menus that are dubious in effectiveness from one board to another.

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Well, see my last post. I took pics for you. I am almost 100% certain it is nowhere else as its a board vendor feature.

[Sir Beregond]

  On 12/12/2022 at 19:45, neurotix said:

 

Well, see my last post. I took pics for you. I am almost 100% certain it is nowhere else as its a board vendor feature.

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Thanks for those, that does help. I'll have to take a look when I get home from work today.

[neurotix]

  On 12/12/2022 at 19:46, Sir Beregond said:

Thanks for those, that does help. I'll have to take a look when I get home from work today.

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It shouldn't give you any trouble, just disable all your manual PBO settings in AMD Overclocking. I don't think you even need to turn PBO off or anything as using this feature overrides it. Just don't set a manual voltage anywhere else, set it where it says "Core VID" in the Per CCX menu (otherwise you can end up overvolting the chip). Save your current oc to a profile or something first if you haven't already.

 

EDIT: You can get much higher Cinebench scores overclocking this way vs using PBO. At least I did on my 3900x when it was at 4.4/4.2 instead of PBO.

Edited December 12, 2022 by neurotix

[Sir Beregond]

  On 12/12/2022 at 19:50, neurotix said:

 

It shouldn't give you any trouble, just disable all your manual PBO settings in AMD Overclocking. I don't think you even need to turn PBO off or anything as using this feature overrides it. Just don't set a manual voltage anywhere else, set it where it says "Core VID" in the Per CCX menu (otherwise you can end up overvolting the chip). Save your current oc to a profile or something first if you haven't already.

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No way. Extreme Tweaker works awful on my board, and most would advise using AMD Overclocking over the Extreme Tweaker menu. I definitely get better results/scores using that menu vs Extreme Tweaker for my PBO settings. I don't know why yours seems to be the opposite.

 

EDIT: But for All-core like we are talking here, I will definitely play with it (and see if I can find equivalent in the other menu).

Edited December 12, 2022 by Sir Beregond

[neurotix]

  On 12/12/2022 at 19:52, Sir Beregond said:

No way. Extreme Tweaker works awful on my board, and most would advise using AMD Overclocking over the Extreme Tweaker menu. I definitely get better results/scores using that menu vs Extreme Tweaker for my PBO settings. I don't know why yours seems to be the opposite.

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Well, if you want to mess with per CCX Overclocking, it's always there.

  On 12/12/2022 at 19:52, Sir Beregond said:

No way. Extreme Tweaker works awful on my board, and most would advise using AMD Overclocking over the Extreme Tweaker menu. I definitely get better results/scores using that menu vs Extreme Tweaker for my PBO settings. I don't know why yours seems to be the opposite.

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I don't blame you, you have a good OC and got a Cinebench score much better than mine (by like 2k points)

 

I myself am unsure why PBO in the AMD menus doesn't work for me. I got my board fairly early after launch of x570 so maybe that's why, who knows.

[Sir Beregond]

  On 12/12/2022 at 20:02, neurotix said:

 

Well, if you want to mess with per CCX Overclocking, it's always there.

 

I don't blame you, you have a good OC and got a Cinebench score much better than mine (by like 2k points)

 

I myself am unsure why PBO in the AMD menus doesn't work for me. I got my board fairly early after launch of x570 so maybe that's why, who knows.

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What BIOS/agesa are you using? I'm still on an older BIOS, but newer from when I got the board (also purchased early on).

 

I'm on BIOS 3801 for now as its been solid. Supposedly newer BIOSes broke some stuff, so been waiting.

Edited December 12, 2022 by Sir Beregond

[neurotix]

  On 12/12/2022 at 20:06, Sir Beregond said:

What BIOS/agesa are you using? I'm still on an older BIOS, but newer from when I got the board (also purchased early on).

 

I'm on BIOS 3801 for now as its been solid. Supposedly newer BIOSes broke some stuff, so been waiting.

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Pretty sure I am also on 3801.

[neurotix]

Just did this with a per-CCX overclock of 4800MHz on CCD0 and 4500MHz on CCD1 with 1.35v. My post code readout showed temps being 75C, I think I might be able to break 24k if I OC CCD0 to 4850 or 4900 and add a bit more voltage.

 

 

[Sir Beregond]

  On 12/12/2022 at 21:48, neurotix said:

Just did this with a per-CCX overclock of 4800MHz on CCD0 and 4500MHz on CCD1 with 1.35v. My post code readout showed temps being 75C, I think I might be able to break 24k if I OC CCD0 to 4850 or 4900 and add a bit more voltage.

 

 

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Nice job! Looking forward to trying mine out like this.

[neurotix]

  On 12/12/2022 at 23:17, Sir Beregond said:

Nice job! Looking forward to trying mine out like this.

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For some weird reason it gives better Cinebench scores at lower clocks when OCing this way. I'm unsure why other than I know that with PBO, what you see in HWINFO isn't entirely accurate. It'll show all cores at 4850MHz for example but AMD has said themselves that starting with Ryzen 3000, monitoring tools just don't refresh or work accurately to what the clocks actually are, it is just showing an average whereas the processor is actually changing frequencies hundreds of times in a second. Doing a per-CCX oc locks the chip at those clocks all the time no matter what so they aren't running lower (which we can't see) to stay within thermal margins. That's my theory anyway.

 

I started at 1.33v and 4700/4400 if that helps. Temps in Cinebench were around 70-72c with a 360mm aio. I'd suggest starting there, possibly with less voltage. Also, do note that I passed Cinebench fine but y-cruncher pi-1b caused an instant black screen and system reboot so I was definitely either not stable or exceeded temperatures to the point the chip shut off to prevent damage. Also a tip for Cinebench: run it with Realtime process priority to get a few hundred more points. While its running your system will appear to lock up but just wait and you'll get a better score.

 

Hope this helps

Edited December 13, 2022 by neurotix
fixed a typo

[Sir Beregond]

  On 13/12/2022 at 17:07, neurotix said:

 

For some weird reason it gives better Cinebench scores at lower clocks when OCing this way. I'm unsure why other than I know that with PBO, what you see in HWINFO isn't entirely accurate. It'll show all cores at 4850MHz for example but AMD has said themselves that starting with Ryzen 3000, monitoring tools just don't refresh or work accurately to what the clocks actually are, it is just showing an average whereas the processor is actually changing frequencies hundreds of times in a second. Doing a per-CCX oc locks the chip at those clocks all the time no matter what so they aren't running lower (which we can't see) to stay within thermal margins. That's my theory anyway.

 

I started at 1.33v and 4700/4400 if that helps. Temps in Cinebench were around 70-72c with a 360mm aio. I'd suggest starting there, possibly with less voltage. Also, do note that I passed Cinebench fine but y-cruncher pi-1b caused an instant black screen and system reboot so I was definitely either not stable or exceeded temperatures to the point the chip shut off to prevent damage. Also a tip for Cinebench: run it with Realtime process priority to get a few hundred more points. While its running your system will appear to lock up but just wait and you'll get a better score.

 

Hope this helps

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Yep, you are correct on the PBO. I think that's why my R23 multi-core scores have always been highest with all-core OC's. I am definitely going to try the per CCX OC and see if I can squeeze more out of it.

 

Sadly ended up working last night so didn't get a chance to. Frankly busy all week, so this might be punted down to next week when I am off from work. Will have to see.

Edited December 13, 2022 by Sir Beregond

[neurotix]

  On 13/12/2022 at 17:11, Sir Beregond said:

Yep, you are correct on the PBO. I think that's why my R23 multi-core scores have always been highest with all-core OC's. I am definitely going to try the per CCX OC and see if I can squeeze more out of it.

 

Sadly ended up working last night so didn't get a chance to. Frankly busy all week, so this might be punted down to next week when I am off from work. Will have to see.

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Yes, if you tune your chip for all-core OCs versus boosting single cores higher, you'll get a better score.

 

In my case, with PBO it will only all core boost to 4750 and my CB23 was only around 21k. However, playing games it boosts cores to 5150 quite often (and I've heard without using curve optimizer, PBO2 has a strong bias towards single thread max boost) so I'm happy.

 

I did watch that 30 min video finally on Curve Optimizer and how to use it and test it and it seems extremely tedious, I also personally don't care to run either OCCT, Prime95 or Linpack to test my OCs as they generate heat and put a demand on the processor that I will never see in real world use (my rig is primarily for gaming and I use Linux the rest of the time as my main os/file server/media server... I also don't use Plex so I never need to encode any streams anymore.)

 

Perhaps I will eventually get around to trying and tuning CO and use Handbrake as the test and see if I can get my all core oc boosting higher but overall I am extremely satisfied with my purchase, other than the low infinity fabric clock and slightly slower memory because of it.

[Sir Beregond]

I'll be honest, I went back to just setting Curve Optimizer to auto since this is primarily a gaming system.

[neurotix]

Guys, particularly bastiaan who I think is team captain, on our team page here:

 

https://hwbot.org/team/extremehw/

 

If possible, edit the "About Us" section and insert extremehw.net at the end. That way anyone poking around our page will possibly come to the site.

 

@Bastiaan_NL

 

 

[Avacado]

  On 01/02/2023 at 19:31, neurotix said:

Guys, particularly bastiaan who I think is team captain, on our team page here:

 

https://hwbot.org/team/extremehw/

 

If possible, edit the "About Us" section and insert extremehw.net at the end. That way anyone poking around our page will possibly come to the site.

 

@Bastiaan_NL

 

 

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Done. Good recommendation. Though you do know you can just click the link that says "Homepage" and that will take you to us as well. 

Edited February 1, 2023 by Avacado

[Bastiaan_NL]

I was just about to check it out, good thing @Avacado is at work so he can do all kinds of stuff for the forums

[Avacado]

  On 01/02/2023 at 19:43, Bastiaan_NL said:

I was just about to check it out, good thing @Avacado is at work so he can do all kinds of stuff for the forums

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Just about the only thing the network will let me log into. Cant do anything with discord on mobile really. Besides, you don't like having to do the "Admin" stuff right?

[Bastiaan_NL]

  On 01/02/2023 at 19:45, Avacado said:

Just about the only thing the network will let me log into. Cant do anything with discord on mobile really. Besides, you don't like having to do the "Admin" stuff right?

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That's right, I do look around for errors in subs and reports though. 
But usually our submissions are pretty decent compared to the rest of the hwbot community

[Sir Beregond]

  On 01/02/2023 at 19:43, Bastiaan_NL said:

I was just about to check it out, good thing @Avacado is at work so he can do all kinds of stuff for the forums

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Sounds like productivity to me. What's the problem? 

[The Pook]

guess I'll be moving to LTSC for my bench OS on modern GPUs and keeping 8.1 for CPU/legacy GPUs 

 

been trying everything I can find to get the RTX 3000 drivers working in 8.1 but nothing is working 

[EHW Ai]

  On 09/02/2023 at 01:07, The Pook said:

been trying everything I can find to get the RTX 3000 drivers working in 8.1 but nothing is working 

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It will be two years in June that the following was posted and you likely have already seen it or something like it:

 

theverge: Nvidia to drop Windows 7 and Windows 8 driver support in October

[The Pook]

  On 09/02/2023 at 01:36, iamjanco said:

 

It will be two years in June that the following was posted and you likely have already seen it or something like it:

 

theverge: Nvidia to drop Windows 7 and Windows 8 driver support in October

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Windows 7 has an older driver but 8.1 is SOL. There's a few threads online of people trying to get it working but apparently it's a no go for 8.  

 

 

Windows 8.1 gets near identical CPU scores to 7 and is easier to get SATA/USB functional on. For 7 I'd need a USB controller with 7 drivers and an HBA and I'm too cheap for that

 

or you send me a Z790 Dark board, that SATA controller + PS/2 means it'd work out of the box 

[Sir Beregond]

  On 09/02/2023 at 01:50, The Pook said:

 

Windows 7 has an older driver but 8.1 is SOL. There's a few threads online of people trying to get it working but apparently it's a no go for 8.  

 

 

Windows 8.1 gets near identical CPU scores to 7 and is easier to get SATA/USB functional on. For 7 I'd need a USB controller with 7 drivers and an HBA and I'm too cheap for that

 

or you send me a Z790 Dark board, that SATA controller + PS/2 means it'd work out of the box 

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Yeah my old PC was still on W8.1. When I got my 3070 in (before trading it for this) I tried to test it to make sure it worked and yeah, that was not very fun given there was no driver support.

[The Pook]

guess it doesn't really matter anymore, MS decided after ~2 years my Azure-acquired 8.1 Embedded Industry Pro key is no longer valid cus of reasons 

 

I still have two unused 8.1 EIP keys but I'm assuming they've been deactivated too. And I can't get more because apparently Azure only has Server keys now 

 

they used to have every edition of 7/8/8.1/10/11 and Server 2012/2016, now it's only Server 2019/2022...

 

 

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