guru3d 9800X3D Review

[UltraMega]

 

https://www.guru3d.com/review/review-ryzen-7-9800x3d-processor/page-29/#final-words

 

 

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The Ryzen 7 9800 X3D is an excellent processor on all fronts, and it has been a while since have been able to say that in a processor review. Still, upgrading can be complicated because the 7800X3D is more affordable and offers somewhat lower yet close to equivalent performance. If you are using a Ryzen 5000 series processor and need an upgrade, the 9800 X3D is a supersensible choice. It comes with an all-core 5200 MHz turbo clock and an increased base clock of 4700 MHz which boosts overall performance forwards by a great degree. It operates at excellent temperatures, has a low energy consumption footprint, and delivers top-tier gaming performance, even when paired with the mighty GeForce RTX 4090. To avoid a significant investment, keep in mind that motherboards like the B650 are still compatible with X3D processors, all they require is a firmware BIOS update.

 

[Sir Beregond]

Being on 4k, these 4k relative and actual performance charts put some things in perspective. I wonder how the 5090 will change these numbers come next year.

 

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[UltraMega]

4 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

Being on 4k, these 4k relative and actual performance charts put some things in perspective. I wonder how the 5090 will change these numbers come next year.

 

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Review - The Best Gaming Processor

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If it were anything other than a 4090, the 4K charts would just be flat. I think guru3d actually stopped doing 4K benchmarks for a few years at least for most games because there was just no point. 

 

I wish they would go even further back on the 4K charts and show some older CPUs. 

[Slaughtahouse]

17 hours ago, UltraMega said:

If it were anything other than a 4090, the 4K charts would just be flat. I think guru3d actually stopped doing 4K benchmarks for a few years at least for most games because there was just no point. 

 

I wish they would go even further back on the 4K charts and show some older CPUs. 

Side discussion (not challenging or questioning your point quoted): Guru3D's charts aren't the most effective at communicating the experience when upgrading a CPU for gaming in my opinion. The charts lack information including 1% lows and frame persistence / consistency. 

 

Other sources like Digital Foundry, Gamers Nexus, and HWUB provide more necessary context to help consumers make informed decisions. Eurogamer's article, sourced by Digital Foundry, has a very user friendly graph (please enable functional cookies) to compare lowest 5% and 1%. Even at 4K, we have differentials that are 25%+ improvements vs. relevant comparables (Raptor Lake, Arrow Lake , Zen 4, Zen 3 etc.) depending on the title. Ill share two examples from very different style of games. CP2077 first and CS-2 following. Both at 4K, comparing 1% lows.

 

   

 

My point is, if you're considering an upgrade, check multiple sources and look specifically at the software you prefer or intend to run. Sometimes averages from one source don't tell the full story. 

 

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The Digital Foundry CPU review of the Intel AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, with the test rig, content creation benchmarks and much more.

 

Edited November 8 by Slaughtahouse

[UltraMega]

47 minutes ago, Slaughtahouse said:

Side discussion (not challenging or questioning your point quoted): Guru3D's charts aren't the most effective at communicating the experience when upgrading a CPU for gaming in my opinion. The charts lack information including 1% lows and frame persistence / consistency. 

 

Other sources like Digital Foundry, Gamers Nexus, and HWUB provide more necessary context to help consumers make informed decisions. Eurogamer's article, sourced by Digital Foundry, has a very user friendly graph (please enable functional cookies) to compare lowest 5% and 1%. Even at 4K, we have differentials that are 25%+ improvements vs. relevant comparables (Raptor Lake, Arrow Lake , Zen 4, Zen 3 etc.) depending on the title. Ill share two examples from very different style of games. CP2077 first and CS-2 following. Both at 4K, comparing 1% lows.

 

   

 

My point is, if you're considering an upgrade, check multiple sources and look specifically at the software you prefer or intend to run. Sometimes averages from one source don't tell the full story. 

 

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The Digital Foundry CPU review of the Intel AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, with the test rig, content creation benchmarks and much more.

 

Yes, definitely agree guru3D is not the best, but it is very simple and to the point. 

 

When I post news like this it's often just a discussion starting point. I figure by the time people visit EHW, they have probably already seen reviews and these threads can be more of a discussion area for all the info out there. 

 

Still, these 4K charts are only interesting with super high end GPUs. For anything else, there no meaningful differences to show. 

[Slaughtahouse]

7 minutes ago, UltraMega said:

Yes, definitely agree guru3D is not the best, but it is very simple and to the point. 

 

When I post news like this it's often just a discussion starting point. I figure by the time people visit EHW, they have probably already seen reviews and these threads can be more of a discussion area for all the info out there. 

 

Still, these 4K charts are only interesting with super high end GPUs. For anything else, there no meaningful differences to show. 

Agreed that its to the point but I also see more value in CPU benchmarks with GPU bottlenecks removed (as much as humanly possible). These should always be treated as the most extreme examples but a users experience (today) will certainly vary. 

 

Anything less than a 4090, you're guaranteed to see less of an improvement on the average framerate. 

[UltraMega]

32 minutes ago, Slaughtahouse said:

Agreed that its to the point but I also see more value in CPU benchmarks with GPU bottlenecks removed (as much as humanly possible). These should always be treated as the most extreme examples but a users experience (today) will certainly vary. 

 

Anything less than a 4090, you're guaranteed to see less of an improvement on the average framerate. 

 

There were a couple years where 4K benchmarks would just be literally flat with no differences at all for just about any modern (at the time) CPUs. 

 

There might be some very minor differences for a 4080 or 7900 series GPU but beyond that it would still be flat. 

 

Of course, that's for demanding titles. If you're talking about games like CS, that's a different beast all together.

[Sir Beregond]

33 minutes ago, UltraMega said:

 

There were a couple years where 4K benchmarks would just be literally flat with no differences at all for just about any modern (at the time) CPUs. 

 

There might be some very minor differences for a 4080 or 7900 series GPU but beyond that it would still be flat. 

 

Of course, that's for demanding titles. If you're talking about games like CS, that's a different beast all together.

Is that only on average FPS? @Slaughtahousemakes a good point, I should look at some of these reviews and see where the 1% lows have seen improvement. Otherwise, averages seem very flat at 4K, agreed.

[UltraMega]

6 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

Is that only on average FPS? @Slaughtahousemakes a good point, I should look at some of these reviews and see where the 1% lows have seen improvement. Otherwise, averages seem very flat at 4K, agreed.

I'd imagine if the benchmarks were fully GPU bound and the chart was flat, 1% lows would have to be pretty similar.

 

1% lows can highlight larger difference between two CPUs that otherwise look to be very close, but in pure 4K GPU bound terms, if the chart were flat then 1% lows would also be pretty flat. 

 

That was also before we were firmly in the dx12/ue5/shader compilation stutters era though. 

Edited November 9 by UltraMega

[UltraMega]

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Achieves 6.9GHz Overclock and 1480 FPS Performance in Counter-Strike 2

 

[Fluxmaven]

The PC I'll be upgrading has a 5900X with a RTX 3090 pushing 4K. Just boosting the 1% lows and getting more consistent frame times will probably be enough to convince me to hold onto the 3090 a bit longer. 

 

These days, even if you have a 4K display, you don't have to actually be rendering native 4K resolution.

Enabling DLSS allows the 9800X3D to shine even more. I also don't play everything in full screen 4K since that can be a bit much on a 48" display. I switch to 3440x1440 or 3840x1080 for some games.

 

[Sir Beregond]

2 hours ago, Fluxmaven said:

The PC I'll be upgrading has a 5900X with a RTX 3090 pushing 4K. Just boosting the 1% lows and getting more consistent frame times will probably be enough to convince me to hold onto the 3090 a bit longer. 

 

These days, even if you have a 4K display, you don't have to actually be rendering native 4K resolution.

Enabling DLSS allows the 9800X3D to shine even more. I also don't play everything in full screen 4K since that can be a bit much on a 48" display. I switch to 3440x1440 or 3840x1080 for some games.

 

Hadn't considered the DLSS factor. Good point. Maybe I will upgrade once 9800X3D hits $300ish.

[UltraMega]

3 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

Hadn't considered the DLSS factor. Good point. Maybe I will upgrade once 9800X3D hits $300ish.

How long have you been on 4K? Do you use a TV or a monitor? What's the refresh rate? What GPU and CPU do you have now?

Edited November 11 by UltraMega

[Fluxmaven]

3 hours ago, UltraMega said:

How long have you been on 4K? Do you use a TV or a monitor? What's the refresh rate? What GPU and CPU do you have now?

Sir B and I have had pretty similar setups for a while. He has a 5900X with a 3080ti. We both use LG OLED TVs as monitors. He recently swapped from a 48" C1 to a 42" C4 which does bump the refresh rate up to 144Hz from 120Hz on the C1. 

 

The 3080Ti is showing it's age a bit more than the 3090, but a platform refresh to an AM5 setup would breath a bit of life into either of our setups and be a lot cheaper than a 5090. 

 

IIRC we both have a noticeably stronger and weaker CCD on our 5900X's and I think we'd both prefer to just move to single CCD chips at this point.  

 

Either way, neither of us are waiting in line to pay full price for a 9800X3D. We both have Microcenters nearby and will wait until they offer up some sort of deal that's too good to pass up. 

[UltraMega]

1 hour ago, Fluxmaven said:

Sir B and I have had pretty similar setups for a while. He has a 5900X with a 3080ti. We both use LG OLED TVs as monitors. He recently swapped from a 48" C1 to a 42" C4 which does bump the refresh rate up to 144Hz from 120Hz on the C1. 

 

The 3080Ti is showing it's age a bit more than the 3090, but a platform refresh to an AM5 setup would breath a bit of life into either of our setups and be a lot cheaper than a 5090. 

 

IIRC we both have a noticeably stronger and weaker CCD on our 5900X's and I think we'd both prefer to just move to single CCD chips at this point.  

 

Either way, neither of us are waiting in line to pay full price for a 9800X3D. We both have Microcenters nearby and will wait until they offer up some sort of deal that's too good to pass up. 

 

 

That's cool. I thought I was the only one here gaming in 4k. 

 

Do you guys ever get close to your refresh rate in demanding games at 4K?

[Sir Beregond]

1 hour ago, UltraMega said:

 

 

That's cool. I thought I was the only one here gaming in 4k. 

 

Do you guys ever get close to your refresh rate in demanding games at 4K?

To be fair, I haven't ben playing many newer games lately. 

[UltraMega]

I've been at 4K since 1080Ti.

 

Glad I'm no longer the only one. 

Edited November 12 by UltraMega

[Slaughtahouse]

You're not the only one(s). I also game at 4K, just not exclusively (4K TV along side 1440p monitor)

 

Simply moving from Zen 2 3800X to 5800X3D was very noticeable, across all games I play. 

 

If 9800X3D were on AM4, I'd do the swap today. With the platform change, I am content to wait until costs come down or performance increase. 

[bwalker36]

I wonder what kind of difference this chip would make for me without a GPU upgrade.  I am also on 4k.  I'm assuming a GPU upgrade with this chip is going to be in my future. 

[Slaughtahouse]

3 minutes ago, bwalker36 said:

I wonder what kind of difference this chip would make for me without a GPU upgrade.  I am also on 4k.  I'm assuming a GPU upgrade with this chip is going to be in my future. 

If you're at 4K, most games (AAA, high render cost, technically impressive games etc.) will immediately benefit from a GPU. CPU should only be prioritized at that resolution, in my opinion, if you're running into other system bottlenecks. Or in other words, its still not smooth enough after a GPU upgrade.

[Sir Beregond]

1 hour ago, Slaughtahouse said:

If you're at 4K, most games (AAA, high render cost, technically impressive games etc.) will immediately benefit from a GPU. CPU should only be prioritized at that resolution, in my opinion, if you're running into other system bottlenecks. Or in other words, its still not smooth enough after a GPU upgrade.

I would agree with this. GPU of course is going to be the biggest boon at 4K. CPU might benefit 1% lows if you are on an old enough chip. Otherwise your averages are going to be pretty much the same at 4K.

[UltraMega]

5 hours ago, bwalker36 said:

I wonder what kind of difference this chip would make for me without a GPU upgrade.  I am also on 4k.  I'm assuming a GPU upgrade with this chip is going to be in my future. 

What are ur specs?