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[Bastiaan_NL]

3 hours ago, Avacado said:

I am so effing jealous right now. 

You can enjoy it with me though

 

[J7SC_Orion]

3 hours ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

I should order me one of those label makers too, it's a bit chaotic under my desk

 

and thanks to @Avacado I'm now the proud (and bankrupt) owner of the above

 

...very nice . FYI, given a select few of these boards having issues > w/ reversed memory capacitor and Asus doing a recall, do check that out visually and via serial number.

 

What DDR5 are you getting ? Early days seemed to favour different sticks, but the latest GSkill 6400 CL32 (stock) look good, and GSkill 6800 CL32 on the horizon...I'm trying to make it to at least Raptor Lake, or one gen beyond w/ HEDT version, and/or whatever AMD comes up with to counter.

[ArchStanton]

4 hours ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

and thanks to @Avacado I'm now the proud (and bankrupt) owner of the above

If I had one, I would be sorely tempted to get a paint pin and add the appropriate Roman numeral model designation to the lettering on the box .

[Storm-Chaser]

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El cheapo water block from Amazon. This is a $14.99 made in China water block, but it looks like someone actually put in the time to make it somewhat viable. Hell, it cools my 9600KF rig just as well as my heatkiller IV, which costs over $100. Hard to believe but it's true.

 

temps... heck even running elevated Vcore was no problem. Im usually at 1.395.

[EHW Ai]

6 hours ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

 

and thanks to @Avacado I'm now the proud (and bankrupt) owner of the above

That's some very nice kit!

 

Uitstekend!

[Sir Beregond]

19 minutes ago, Storm-Chaser said:

El cheapo water block from Amazon. This is a $14.99 made in China water block, but it looks like someone actually put in the time to make it somewhat viable. Hell, it cools my 9600KF rig just as well as my heatkiller IV, which costs over $100. Hard to believe but it's true.

 

temps... heck even running elevated Vcore was no problem. Im usually at 1.395.

 

Very interesting. I was curious to see how this would play out. A pin grid style like this is very old school way to make blocks.

[Storm-Chaser]

22 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

 

Very interesting. I was curious to see how this would play out. A pin grid style like this is very old school way to make blocks.

I just cant believe this performs on par with a heatkiller IV. Im putting about 160 w full avx load.

 

And the flow rate is insane, at least double what it used to be. Much, much less restrictive than a heat killer. 

 

[Bastiaan_NL]

15 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

...very nice . FYI, given a select few of these boards having issues > w/ reversed memory capacitor and Asus doing a recall, do check that out visually and via serial number.

 

What DDR5 are you getting ? Early days seemed to favour different sticks, but the latest GSkill 6400 CL32 (stock) look good, and GSkill 6800 CL32 on the horizon...I'm trying to make it to at least Raptor Lake, or one gen beyond w/ HEDT version, and/or whatever AMD comes up with to counter.

Thanks for linking that! 
I happened to read that somewhere some time ago though, so I checked the serial number on their page and I was lucky

The memory is 6400mhz CL32 32GB paired with a 12900KF.

 

15 hours ago, ArchStanton said:

If I had one, I would be sorely tempted to get a paint pin and add the appropriate Roman numeral model designation to the lettering on the box .

Brings out the artist in you

 

13 hours ago, iamjanco said:

That's some very nice kit!

 

Uitstekend!

Danku, besides some hickups during installation it's been great so far!

[Storm-Chaser]

But after further testing it does appear as though the heatcooker pulls ahead by about 10*F under really heavy workloads. Still, that only means with el cheapo Im still well within temp parameters. 

@Sir Beregond

[Storm-Chaser]

19 hours ago, Storm-Chaser said:

I just cant believe this performs on par with a heatkiller IV. Im putting about 160 w full avx load.

After further testing what I've noticed is this:

-Cheap water block has almost identical performance at idle and under loads up to 80%

-Above this, the heatkiller does outperform it. But keep in mind, this CPU has a fairly heavy overclock going and lots of vcore. -So it's really proven itself as viable already. 

[Mr. Fox]

On 12/02/2022 at 06:47, Bastiaan_NL said:

I should order me one of those label makers too, it's a bit chaotic under my desk

 

and thanks to @Avacado I'm now the proud (and bankrupt) owner of the above

Nice! Very tempted by the amazing benchmark scores I am seeing with 12900K and Rockit Cool having their 12th delid kit out now makes it even harder to resist. I'd love to be running one bare die as I normally do. Congrats on the upgrade, bro.

 

12th Gen performance is making it hard to sell parts. I've had a brand new/unopened Z590 Dark on eBay and Mercari since Jan 24 with no offers even though it's a crazy good price. I may end up just keeping it and trying to sell my Strix Z490 instead since the gamer kids seems to appreciate mediocrity more than excellence.

[Mr. Fox]

I ordered one of these and waiting for it to arrive. Hoping that cooling the back of my 3090 K|NGP|N will translate into slightly colder core temps for a few more MHz on core. I really want an OptimusPC block, but spending more than $600 USD and waiting 90+ days for it to arrive isn't my cup of tea. (I actually ordered one and cancelled it after waiting 90+ with no hint of an ETA being offered.)

 

I will have to be creative on the mounting because the 3090 KPE is so huge. I will share photos and results when it is installed.

GPU-BPC-SERIAL-KIT-CLEAR TOP – MP5WORKS

WWW.MP5WORKS.COM

 

Edited February 13, 2022 by Mr. Fox

[Bastiaan_NL]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nice! Very tempted by the amazing benchmark scores I am seeing with 12900K and Rockit Cool having their 12th delid kit out now makes it even harder to resist. I'd love to be running one bare die as I normally do. Congrats on the upgrade, bro.

 

12th Gen performance is making it hard to sell parts. I've had a brand new/unopened Z590 Dark on eBay and Mercari since Jan 24 with no offers even though it's a crazy good price. I may end up just keeping it and trying to sell my Strix Z490 instead since the gamer kids seems to appreciate mediocrity more than excellence.

Don't do it 

 

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I ordered one of these and waiting for it to arrive. Hoping that cooling the back of my 3090 K|NGP|N will translate into slightly colder core temps for a few more MHz on core. I really want an OptimusPC block, but spending more than $600 USD and waiting 90+ days for it to arrive isn't my cup of tea. (I actually ordered one and cancelled it after waiting 90+ with no hint of an ETA being offered.)

 

I will have to be creative on the mounting because the 3090 KPE is so huge. I will share photos and results when it is installed.

GPU-BPC-SERIAL-KIT-CLEAR TOP – MP5WORKS

WWW.MP5WORKS.COM

 

Sweet, it'll make a big difference for sure!
I'm waiting to put my blocks back on the 3090 until the (hopefully) Rev 1.0 FTW3 card comes back. I had it on and it made a big difference in memory temps, I never really looked at core temp change with the backplate.
With your chilled water it'll be cold though, I bet it helps

[J7SC_Orion]

10 hours ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

Thanks for linking that! 
I happened to read that somewhere some time ago though, so I checked the serial number on their page and I was lucky

The memory is 6400mhz CL32 32GB paired with a 12900KF.

(...)

 

...DDR5 6400 CL32  ...that might go to 6800 w/o excessive voltage and/or exotic cooling; this is the kind of DDR5 which I defined as 'the starting gun' for my future DDR5 efforts.

 

...I really like the Asus Hero Z690 (apart from that faux-pas on a few select boards they now fixed) as a fast allrounder - I actually had that in my hand already for purchase back in early January, but the store didn't have any DDR5, and the only thing you could order was the lousy DDR5 stuff. Ultimately, I would need 4 Dimm slots for eventual work-related roles, and the Asus Hero Z690 along with the (regular) MSI Unify top my list.

 

If I would just build exclusively for HWBot etc, the 2 Dimm mobos such as Asus Apex, MSI Unify-X and Gigabyte Tachyon would also be on the list, but harder to set up and less useful for other tasks in the long run.

[Mr. Fox]

52 minutes ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

Sweet, it'll make a big difference for sure!
I'm waiting to put my blocks back on the 3090 until the (hopefully) Rev 1.0 FTW3 card comes back. I had it on and it made a big difference in memory temps, I never really looked at core temp change with the backplate.
With your chilled water it'll be cold though, I bet it helps

I sure hope so. Even with the chilled water, the GPU gets hotter than the CPU in most graphics benchmarks and I believe it is because the back side gets hot enough to warm up everything else. I ordered one of the giant full cover thermal pads from OptimusPC to cover the entire GPU under the backplate and that generally helps a lot even without the active cooling. It probably won't be quite as good as an OptimusPC KPE block, but if it gets close and I don't have to spend $600 and wait for 3-6 months I would consider that an acceptable compromise. If I can get a drop of ~15°C with a combination of the full cover pad and MP5 block with chilled water running through it, that will be pretty huge. It will put the core at about 25°C under sustained load at over 800W.

 

Under chilled water cooled to less than 10°C with a scortching hot backplate the GPU core is hitting about 40°C under that load and 40°C just ruins overclocking fun on Ampere and Turing GPUs.

Edited February 13, 2022 by Mr. Fox

[ArchStanton]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I ordered one of these and waiting for it to arrive.

Interesting.  Not a brand I had seen before .

[Sir Beregond]

10 hours ago, Storm-Chaser said:

But after further testing it does appear as though the heatcooker pulls ahead by about 10*F under really heavy workloads. Still, that only means with el cheapo Im still well within temp parameters. 

@Sir Beregond

Very interesting results. Not surprised the heatkiller pulls ahead under super heavy loads, but clearly would be ok under standard uses.

 

How are you measuring the flow difference?

[Mr. Fox]

17 minutes ago, ArchStanton said:

Interesting.  Not a brand I had seen before .

Apparently they have been around for a little while, but I had never heard of them until I started Google-searching for options a week or so back. There is not a lot on YouTube. That FrameChaser guy has a few videos, (yes kind of annoying personality,) but they have not done much advertising.

 

I ordered the type with G1/4 fittings and plan to use is in series rather than parallel. I think that will be slightly better for flowrate than parallel.

 

 

Edited February 13, 2022 by Mr. Fox

[Storm-Chaser]

2 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

How are you measuring the flow difference?

I have a flow indicator, not an actual flow meter. 

 

I'm sure you've seen it, usually clear with a wheel that spins...  yeah.

 

Also, I can measure by sight how quickly air bubbles fly through the tubing, it's not an exact science, but it's ballpark. 

 

It does make sense that this one would flow better because the passages are much wider for water to travel through, so it flows less impeded. 

[EHW Ai]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I ordered one of these and waiting for it to arrive. Hoping that cooling the back of my 3090 K|NGP|N will translate into slightly colder core temps for a few more MHz on core. I really want an OptimusPC block, but spending more than $600 USD and waiting 90+ days for it to arrive isn't my cup of tea. (I actually ordered one and cancelled it after waiting 90+ with no hint of an ETA being offered.)

 

I will have to be creative on the mounting because the 3090 KPE is so huge. I will share photos and results when it is installed.

GPU-BPC-SERIAL-KIT-CLEAR TOP – MP5WORKS

WWW.MP5WORKS.COM

 

 

Nice! I'm using the pom version of that block on the back of the KPE. Temps have never gotten hotter than the 40s (including memory junctions; though I don't typically push things as high as the typical overclocker does):

 

 

There's more pix in my build thread starting here if you want to have a look. 

 

 

Edited February 14, 2022 by iamjanco

[Mr. Fox]

6 minutes ago, iamjanco said:

 

Nice! I'm using the pom version of that block on the back of KPE. Temps have never gotten hotter than the 40s (including memory junctions; though I don't typically push things as high as the typical overclocker does):

 

 

There's more pix in my build thread starting here if you want to have a look. 

 

 

Awesome. Thank you. I will have a look. I am especially interested in how you mounted it. 

 

Where did you get that backplate? (If it is answered in your link, I suppose I will find out.) I want one.

[EHW Ai]

If you go to the link I shared above and view the pix of the block through the next page or so, you'll see how I mounted the block. It's actually fastened to the copper plate using the screws that hold the block together (I replaced the oem screws with some cut to a little longer length for that purpose). 

 

It's OOAK btw, laid out my me, cut by the waterjet cutting service I use, all screw holes drilled by me on my drill press, and hand polished by me. Also, had to do a little filing when I got it back from the waterjet cutter to make it work. My artwork was very close though.

 

Edited February 14, 2022 by iamjanco

[Mr. Fox]

4 minutes ago, iamjanco said:

If you go to the link I shared above and view the pix of the block through the next page or so, you'll see how I mounted the block. It's actually fastened to the copper plate using the screws that hold the block together (I replaced the oem screws with some to cut to a little longer length for that purpose). 

 

It's OOAK btw, laid out my me, cut by the waterjet cutting service I use, all screw holes drilled by me on my drill press, and hand polished by me. Also, had to do a little filing when I got it back from the waterjet cutter to make it work. My artwork was very close though.

 

That craftsmanship is amazing. I love it and wish I had the fabrication skill and resources to do the same. I would have to raise it a bit higher on my setup because the Dark motherboards have the VRM heat sink next to the first PCI-e slot. Thank you for sharing the info.

 

I am officially green with envy. 

 

Edited February 14, 2022 by Mr. Fox

[J7SC_Orion]

...Club3D USB-C cable because no more USB 2.0 thumb drives , and two more batteries for the GoPro H 10...5.3K video likes lots of batteries 

 

 

 

[ArchStanton]

14 hours ago, iamjanco said:

There's more pix in my build thread starting here if you want to have a look. 

I had read through your log but failed to take notice of the MP5WORKS brand.  Time to wake up and pay attention.