Is the RTX 3 series worth the hassle ? VOTE !

[ENTERPRISE]

Hey all.

 

So with the suggestion that the new RTX GPU's are going to have a new 12 pin single connector, possibly calling for a new PSU altogether, what say you ?

 

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[486]

When PCIE power connectors were new they used to throw molex --> PCIE adapters in the box

 

Not buying a new PSU when my existing PSU is brand new. They can either put a Y cable (8+8 to 12 or 8+6 to 12) adapter in the box with the card or yeah, I'll shop AMD.

 

[Andrew]

If it does have the 12 pin connector, I'm absolutely not going to get one. I spent nearly £100 on my PSU a little over a year ago, I'm not going to buy another one for a new GPU.

[ENTERPRISE]

Well they must supply an adapter otherwise its madness. I cannot see PSU manufacturers being able to keep it a secret if they are preparing ”Ampere Ready" PSU's.

 

Plus I cannot see Nvidia risking such a bold move, not when what we are hearing from the red camp is as compelling as it is.

[486]

Well they must supply an adapter otherwise its madness. I cannot see PSU manufacturers being able to keep it a secret if they are preparing ”Ampere Ready" PSU's.

 

Plus I cannot see Nvidia risking such a bold move, not when what we are hearing from the red camp is as compelling as it is.

 

If adapters are the case then fine, no big deal to me, as long as it's a nice sleeved adapter... It would give us some kind of bridge for a few years before everybody is running power supplies with 12 pin connectors.

 

I'm sure in 2020 every company would be aware that we would also expect said adapter to be nicely sleeved. Imagine dropping 1500 bucks on a high end card that comes with an ugly red / white set of wires with a clear plastic connector, now that would be funny.

 

 

[J7SC_Orion]

According to TechPowerUp "On topic of the connector's proliferation, in addition to PSU manufacturers launching new generations of products with 12-pin connectors, most prominent manufacturers are expected to release aftermarket modular cables that can plug in to their existing PSUs. Graphics card vendors will include ketchup-and-mustard adapters that convert 2x 8-pin to 1x 12-pin; while most case/power manufacturers will release fancy aftermarket adapters with better aesthetics"

 

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Edited July 21, 2020 by J7SC_Orion

[ENTERPRISE]

There we go then, at least the adaptors have all but been confirmed, though an aftermarket version is a must lol, nobody wants those ketchup and mustard style connectors. That being said I may hold off until the end of the year to see what RDNA2 brings, plus even if RDNA2 is not great, then it gives Nvidia to work out any software/hardware kinks of the RTX 3 series.

 

I did wonder if this connector was going to be a more OEM thing, which to a degree makes sense, but as the video eludes to as it is just your standard 12v and ground, then AIB's will not find it hard to just revert back to the standard 2x8Pins

[schuck6566]

I read another story saying pretty much the same.The 3rd party card makers would most likely be including adapters,some high end psu's with plug in options would offer a plug in 12 pin cable to purchase.And of course we'll have "knock off" adapters a week after the official ones come out. lol, should be interesting when people with 400w psu's try running some 350w Ampere card in their system.... "But I got the adapter...."

[J7SC_Orion]

There we go then, at least the adaptors have all but been confirmed, though an aftermarket version is a must lol, nobody wants those ketchup and mustard style connectors. That being said I may hold off until the end of the year to see what RDNA2 brings, plus even if RDNA2 is not great, then it gives Nvidia to work out any software/hardware kinks of the RTX 3 series.

 

I did wonder if this connector was going to be a more OEM thing, which to a degree makes sense, but as the video eludes to as it is just your standard 12v and ground, then AIB's will not find it hard to just revert back to the standard 2x8Pins

 

 

...waiting to see what big Navi / RDNA2 brings to the table is probably not a bad move, if only to confirm preference for Ampere (or not). I used to get first-batch of next gen cards but these days, I don't mind waiting a bit. Dual custom high-clock 2080 Tis are still plenty for now. Re. 12pin, I hope NVidia is not trying to be different just for the sake of artificial product differentiation (Apple anyone?). There are quite a few 3x 8 pin GPUs (525W w/ PCIe 'spec', never mind actual) out there already, along with relevant PSU cable options for that in the box...

 

 

[axipher]

As much as I am really hoping that AMD pulls off something great, I can't deny that Nvidia has faster options for gaming right now and I can't fathom AMD making a big enough jump to be directly competitive with Nvidia's highest end gaming products.

 

Now I do like the idea of a more powerful "single" connector as that same 12-pin could also be used for CPU sockets or PCIe Socket power and get rid of the 6-pin PCIe, the 4+4 EPS and the 8-pin EPS all at once and maybe even the 8-pin PCIe. Just think about only having the following connectors to choose from:

- 20+4 Pin Motherboard

- 12-pin 12V connector (CPU + GPU + Motherboard Aux 12V + Add-in cards like Thunder Bolt)

- Sata Power (also used to power most add-ons now and could easily be used to power add-in cards like USB 3.0 cards)

 

A dual 8-pin to 12-pin adapter should suffice for the transition phase until cards come out that absolutely need that full 600 Watts of potential power. Not sure exactly how the new spec would play with the sense wire used by some power supplies to help regulate the voltage at the end of the PCIe power cables, so adapters might not be just a simple direct connection between the different connectors.

 

 

 

 

Pros:

- Less parts to stock

- Better QA on limited set of connector types

- It would eventually make PSU's cheaper

- Modular cables would be much easier

- A push for a standard wire gauge as part of the spec would also mean power delivery

 

Cons:

- Inevitable transition on new motherboards, GPU's and add-in cards to new style of PSU

- Also transition to new PSU

- Would need adapters during transition which could lead to fires if undersized or used improperly

[tictoc]

With decent pins and cables, converting 2x 6 or 8 pin cables shouldn't be an issue.

Digi-Key has the connectors for about $1.50.

 

https://www.digikey.com/products/en/...=1&pageSize=25

Edited July 22, 2020 by tictoc

[axipher]

With decent pins and cables, converting 2x 6 or 8 pin cables shouldn't be an issue.

Digi-Key has the connectors for about $1.50.

 

https://www.digikey.com/products/en/...=1&pageSize=25

 

Definitely would not want to see dual 6-pin to 12-pin as most 6-pin cables will have smaller gauge wire.

 

Assuming they do use 6-pins for 12 V delivery and 6 for ground, that's 100W per wire pair and at 12 V, that's 8.333 A per wire and connector on the new 12-pin side. Or another way to look at it is 300W per 6-pin.

 

On the 6-pin, only 2 of the wires are actually connected to 12 V per the spec so 2 pins/wires would need to carry 3 pins/wires worth of current, so then you have 12.5 A per wire/pin on the 6-pin.

 

At least on the 8-pin, you actually have 3 12 V carrying wires/pins to keep it consistent.

 

 

 

It would just be a bad time as even people who bought good power supplies might not be able to afford a new power supply alongside a new GPU so having "cheap" dual 6-pin to 12-pin adapters would lead to either too much current travelling through the older 6-pin cables, or bad voltage regulation at the end and not getting the full 12 V causing even higher current spikes and instability on a GPU that is otherwise okay.

 

 

 

 

[ENTERPRISE]

Some interesting points. The adaptors in my mind will be so hit and miss, and this is always the issue with adaptors, especially those used during a transition phase. The whole point of this 12Pin is to use higher quality pins and once it becomes a default cable that come with PSU's, then logic would follow that the wire gauge quality would also increase. With these adaptors you may get neither of these things, so it is something to watch out for during this period of transition.

 

I also agree that while AMD may have made a good leap, I think it would be naive to think that the RDNA2 will trade blows directly with something like the 3080Ti. HOWEVER, if it is close enough and the price nicely undercuts Nvidia, then we still have something good on our hands.

[J7SC_Orion]

...I want my MTV quad NVLink / Quadfire next-gen mGPUs !!

 

 

 

[tictoc]

 

Definitely would not want to see dual 6-pin to 12-pin as most 6-pin cables will have smaller gauge wire.

 

Assuming they do use 6-pins for 12 V delivery and 6 for ground, that's 100W per wire pair and at 12 V, that's 8.333 A per wire and connector on the new 12-pin side. Or another way to look at it is 300W per 6-pin.

 

On the 6-pin, only 2 of the wires are actually connected to 12 V per the spec so 2 pins/wires would need to carry 3 pins/wires worth of current, so then you have 12.5 A per wire/pin on the 6-pin.

 

At least on the 8-pin, you actually have 3 12 V carrying wires/pins to keep it consistent.

 

It would just be a bad time as even people who bought good power supplies might not be able to afford a new power supply alongside a new GPU so having "cheap" dual 6-pin to 12-pin adapters would lead to either too much current travelling through the older 6-pin cables, or bad voltage regulation at the end and not getting the full 12 V causing even higher current spikes and instability on a GPU that is otherwise okay.

 

 

You are correct, 2 6-pins would probably be a bad idea.

 

This shouldn't be a huge issue for most people, since most new PSUs come with at least two 8 pin connectors. Ultimately there is little difference in the end when you consider even most high quality, high wattage PSUs, are currently running a single set of wires to power dual 8-pin connectors. Regardless of what the connector is rated for, I find it pretty hard to believe that NVIDIA is going to release a GPU that pulls over 500W at stock volts and temps. Cooling something like that would be pretty ridiculous on air.

[axipher]

 

You are correct, 2 6-pins would probably be a bad idea.

 

This shouldn't be a huge issue for most people, since most new PSUs come with at least two 8 pin connectors. Ultimately there is little difference in the end when you consider even most high quality, high wattage PSUs, are currently running a single set of wires to power dual 8-pin connectors. Regardless of what the connector is rated for, I find it pretty hard to believe that NVIDIA is going to release a GPU that pulls over 500W at stock volts and temps. Cooling something like that would be pretty ridiculous on air.

 

Yeah, early uses of the 12-pin will likely be conservative until proper power supplies or modular cable sets for existing power supplies are released.

[Andrew]

I've just realized I have a modular PSU from a reputable company so I can probably just buy a new cable lol

 

I may upgrade to a 3080 depending on price, I thought a 2070 would be sufficient for 4K, but it's not. I get 30-35fps on medium settings in RDR2 at 4K.

[axipher]

I've just realized I have a modular PSU from a reputable company so I can probably just buy a new cable lol

 

I may upgrade to a 3080 depending on price, I thought a 2070 would be sufficient for 4K, but it's not. I get 30-35fps on medium settings in RDR2 at 4K.

 

Another thing I've been hoping would happen for a long while is for all PSU vendors to use the same PSU-side pinouts as each other so you can just buy add-on cables as you need them, or in this case, the new 12-pin GPU connector.

[Andrew]

 

Another thing I've been hoping would happen for a long while is for all PSU vendors to use the same PSU-side pinouts as each other so you can just buy add-on cables as you need them, or in this case, the new 12-pin GPU connector.

 

That would be nice, but I don't see it happening. It took the EU courts to get phone manufacturers to start using USB ports on phones to get them away from proprietary connectors. There is no chance something like that is going to be done about computer power supplies that less than 1% of the population have.

[ENTERPRISE]

I've just realized I have a modular PSU from a reputable company so I can probably just buy a new cable lol

 

I may upgrade to a 3080 depending on price, I thought a 2070 would be sufficient for 4K, but it's not. I get 30-35fps on medium settings in RDR2 at 4K.

 

Yeah, I think most reputable companies will provide new cables you can purchase, assuming you have a modular PSU

[schuck6566]

I spent close to $1400 on a new build a year ago last April.Since then,the cpu has is already releasing it's 2nd generation advance(I have the 2700xt),the video card releasing IT'S second generation advance(I have the original RTX 2070),memory is going to a new format(i have ddr4, ddr5 is coming out),lucky for me my board can upgrade to pcie4 IF I buy a 3rd generation cpu. I know it seems like a low end build to many of you,but some of us can't afford to toss 1/10th of their yearly income into a new comp every year to keep up with the times. If the companies DON'T realize this,and start either pricing realistically,or releasing on a more stable base(see posted listing @ bottom for punch line.)they're going to lose the people who AREN'T extreme enthusiast and OEM's will just gain more buyers.

 

Punch line = RTX 2060,2070,2080 and THEN RTX 2060S,2070S,2080S not to mention the GTX1600 series that has a NEW GTX 1650 being released(HOW many cards can you release with the SAME NAME???) anything to confuse the consumer and make purchasing for the average person MORE frustrating.

 

All this is just illustrating why I won't be upgrading anytime soon. It'll wait until I make a complete build again.@ least a couple of years,more likely 5.

 

[axipher]

I spent close to $1400 on a new build a year ago last April.Since then,the cpu has is already releasing it's 2nd generation advance(I have the 2700xt),the video card releasing IT'S second generation advance(I have the original RTX 2070),memory is going to a new format(i have ddr4, ddr5 is coming out),lucky for me my board can upgrade to pcie4 IF I buy a 3rd generation cpu. I know it seems like a low end build to many of you,but some of us can't afford to toss 1/10th of their yearly income into a new comp every year to keep up with the times. If the companies DON'T realize this,and start either pricing realistically,or releasing on a more stable base(see posted listing @ bottom for punch line.)they're going to lose the people who AREN'T extreme enthusiast and OEM's will just gain more buyers.

 

Punch line = RTX 2060,2070,2080 and THEN RTX 2060S,2070S,2080S not to mention the GTX1600 series that has a NEW GTX 1650 being released(HOW many cards can you release with the SAME NAME???) anything to confuse the consumer and make purchasing for the average person MORE frustrating.

 

All this is just illustrating why I won't be upgrading anytime soon. It'll wait until I make a complete build again.@ least a couple of years,more likely 5.

 

At least you have a good CPU upgrade path still and the 2070 should last you for a while, or at least hold its value in the used market if you decide to sell it.

[ENTERPRISE]

I spent close to $1400 on a new build a year ago last April.Since then,the cpu has is already releasing it's 2nd generation advance(I have the 2700xt),the video card releasing IT'S second generation advance(I have the original RTX 2070),memory is going to a new format(i have ddr4, ddr5 is coming out),lucky for me my board can upgrade to pcie4 IF I buy a 3rd generation cpu. I know it seems like a low end build to many of you,but some of us can't afford to toss 1/10th of their yearly income into a new comp every year to keep up with the times. If the companies DON'T realize this,and start either pricing realistically,or releasing on a more stable base(see posted listing @ bottom for punch line.)they're going to lose the people who AREN'T extreme enthusiast and OEM's will just gain more buyers.

 

Punch line = RTX 2060,2070,2080 and THEN RTX 2060S,2070S,2080S not to mention the GTX1600 series that has a NEW GTX 1650 being released(HOW many cards can you release with the SAME NAME???) anything to confuse the consumer and make purchasing for the average person MORE frustrating.

 

All this is just illustrating why I won't be upgrading anytime soon. It'll wait until I make a complete build again.@ least a couple of years,more likely 5.

 

Yeah it is a massive PITA. I myself while I do have an upgrade path available to me (Ryzen 4000 CPU's), will likely stick with my 3950x for a good few years, it is already PCIe 4, so I already have that sorted. No real sense in going to the 4000 series. As for the GPU, sold my SLI 2080T's. A. for the next GPU's an B. SLI is dead as a dodo. Even with the next upgrade I may very well not go with a top end Nvidia card as I am finding the price tag is simply not worth it, games are not maxing these cards out, hopefully this is a sign of the better optimised drivers and game engines.

 

I will be taking a good hard look at the RDNA2 cards from AMD this year and may go to the red team if the rumours are true with the performance they are getting, plus AMD will price competitively. Might get a better bang for the buck.

[Bastiaan_NL]

I don't mind getting a new PSU, cause the one in the second rig is pretty old so I could switch those around.

In this case that won't hold me back from buying the 3 series, if the extension cable wouldn't be an option.

But first I want to see what it does in benchmarks with all kinds of setups and folding @ home.

And if AMD has anything better to offer I might go that way.

[The Pook]

depends on price

 

I want an upgrade but I don't want to spend $1000 on a GPU either