guru3d NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021

[UltraMega]

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The news reached the web today though DigiTimes. And if true that means that NVIDIA likely will slip towards 7nm wafer die production, as expected for a long time in the first place. What also is possible it that the 'update' product like an RTX 3080 with 20GB or other products like the RTX 3050/3060 in the lineup that has not been released just yet move to that TSMC 7nm node.

 

DigiTimes states Nvidia has already booked high volume production capacity on TSMC’s 7 nm nodes for 2021. TSMC recently lowered the prices on the 7nm wafers and also mentions the choice is made to spread risk that is yield related.

Source: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvidia-allegedly-moving-ampere-to-7-nm-tsmc-in-2021.html

 

Wonder if this means the super or Ti versions of the 3000 series will be even better. 

Edited October 13, 2020 by UltraMega

[Sir Beregond]

Interesting. That would mean it was in development for a long time in parallel with the Samsung 8nm development though. 8nm was really just a refinement of Samsung 10nm so was not like they could just port it over to TSMC 7nm.

 

If true, it really does feel like Samsung 8nm was a stopgap measure to get to market first even if no one could actually buy one.

[ENTERPRISE]

Samsung 8nm was certainly a stop gap measure just so Nvidia could get the 3000 series out with a view to falling back to TSMC once availability opened up in their schedules. For a few reasons now, certainly seems like you are better off buying a 3000 series card later in the lifecycle once it has matured like a fine wine.

[Darkpriest667]

It may have cost them more than they made in the long run. I have not seen consumers as bitter about video card releases as they were with this one. If AMD comes anywhere close and has availability it won't matter what Nvidia releases in 2021. They'll lose a chunk of market share. 

[Mistio]

Interesting. 
I wonder if additional changes will take place because the cards are truly on the limit. 

Not everyone can use water cooling with ice and blow cold air on them with an aircon to keep a stable 2GHz clock. I have a feeling they will also iron out the famous circuitry layout under the GPU. 

 

With age comes wisdom and I learned the hard way not to buy things as soon as they launch. Today's industry is based on pushing products out and fixing them after. I no longer buy anything unless a few months pass and gremlins are sorted.  I tested too many times on my own money. 

 

Remember companies had armies of people helping with quality control and assurance, now we do it for them. 

[Supercrumpet]

57 minutes ago, Mistio said:

Interesting. 
I wonder if additional changes will take place because the cards are truly on the limit. 

Not everyone can use water cooling with ice and blow cold air on them with an aircon to keep a stable 2GHz clock. I have a feeling they will also iron out the famous circuitry layout under the GPU. 

 

With age comes wisdom and I learned the hard way not to buy things as soon as they launch. Today's industry is based on pushing products out and fixing them after. I no longer buy anything unless a few months pass and gremlins are sorted.  I tested too many times on my own money. 

 

Remember companies had armies of people helping with quality control and assurance, now we do it for them. 

 

This exactly. Other than my very first GPU, I've always purchased used or on clearance, and these days I find myself buying 70% or so used PC parts, usually when the next generation comes out. Saves lots of money and most of the bugs are ironed out by then. Of course that means I don't get to be at the bleeding edge of technology, but I'm more than willing to accept that as long as my stuff works.

 

I've taken the same approach to games too. Wait 6+ months for them to go on sale and for major issues on launch to be resolved.

[Sir Beregond]

3 hours ago, Darkpriest667 said:

It may have cost them more than they made in the long run. I have not seen consumers as bitter about video card releases as they were with this one. If AMD comes anywhere close and has availability it won't matter what Nvidia releases in 2021. They'll lose a chunk of market share. 

 

The only problem I see AMD having is whether or not their software suite will have a DLSS competitor, and do we know if the teaser we saw the other day had ray tracing running? I just care about rasterization performance personally, but these will be things Nvidia can still market to consumers over AMD unless AMD has something comparable.

 

AMD will need to bring a competitive software/features along with the cards general performance.

 

1 hour ago, Mistio said:

Interesting. 
I wonder if additional changes will take place because the cards are truly on the limit. 

Not everyone can use water cooling with ice and blow cold air on them with an aircon to keep a stable 2GHz clock. I have a feeling they will also iron out the famous circuitry layout under the GPU. 

 

With age comes wisdom and I learned the hard way not to buy things as soon as they launch. Today's industry is based on pushing products out and fixing them after. I no longer buy anything unless a few months pass and gremlins are sorted.  I tested too many times on my own money. 

 

Remember companies had armies of people helping with quality control and assurance, now we do it for them. 

 

Couldn't agree more. At this stage, not looking to build anything new till March probably. Depending on how things do progress with RDNA2/Ampere though, maybe that will push out even longer. Guess we'll see.

Edited October 14, 2020 by Sir Beregond