Bastiaan_NL

I love that crazy idea, good luck
 

Happy holidays everyone, thanks for all the fun we had together and to many more!

Looking good E!
Thanks for all your work @A Zayed 

Just now, Avacado said:

Wouldn't it be cheaper to just buy the LN2 when we get to J7's house? I hope he has a spare bedroom. 

More like: "I'll pay for the LN2" and I'll bring a pair of 3090's, a few voltmodded GPU's, a Z790 Apex, 13th gen and 12th gen CPU's and memory

Ok, I'll bring the LN2. @Avacado, book a ticket to Vancouver RN! (and everyone else who wants to join  

On 10/12/2022 at 17:18, J7SC_Orion said:

new rules EEC info anyone ?

Well, I don't have to go into detail about my opinion on the possibility to purposely bug a benchmark and get crazy scores.
As far as the rules go, at this moment it's a mess they are trying to clean up afterwards. I know it's impossible to test every benchmark with all the hardware before putting the rankings online on the bot. So we are the test subjects, and we figure out what is wrong. Sadly that messes up the whole rankings on the bot, maybe it's an idea to put a new gen GPU in beta before actually counting the points towards someones account.
So I don't like ECC, but we need something like that to clean up the score board and make it somewhat fair. 
I'm just watching from the sideline, waiting my turn to turn in a few runs with a 4090. For now I think it's just a waste of time, better use yours to play a game or use it for work instead of trying to beat a score of someone that loves flashing screens and magic beams everywhere

I agree that there are other options, and the motivation behind bringing this subject up might not have been actual 'clean' benching but it has been a problem and needs to be solved. 

Uneven weights are not fair, and the way it hits the latest cards is just crazy. 

On 14/12/2022 at 20:48, J7SC_Orion said:

I am 'too chicken' to see where the full 121% would land me in terms of watts...

I did not expect to hear this from you

A bios like that probably prefers the cold steamy matter, and there are enough pots for sale.... Just saying J, just saying....

18 hours ago, Avacado said:

 I think it could be time to add Noah to the spreadsheet.... Thoughts? Maybe Justin too while were at it.

The showoffsheet

Remind me when I'm on stream tomorrow, will try to take care of it

21 hours ago, neurotix said:

 

Ok, good to know. I basically wasted my time doing all that on the 3060 then. Still, it was fun to bench it.

 

So does it basically just count the highest scoring subs then?

You never waste time benching
I've spent so many hours overclocking, benchmarking and especially looking at other submissions for information.. There is so much to learn from the settings others have used, and then there are people out there who lend you a hand from time to time which is encouraging and saves you a lot of time. 

So yes, it counts the top 10/15/30 from the submissions I mentioned above. Once you figure out how it works you can do specific benchmarks because you know how the hardware will perform. So a stock GTX470 delidded with a universal waterblock gave me 46 hardware points in 3dmark 2001SE with a highly overclocked 13900k. I knew it would perform somewhere in that range, and that's the only benchmark I did for now. Once I figure out how the voltage controller works I'll add a few pot meters and (probably blow it up) run some benchmarks that put a higher load on the GPU. A year ago I would have ran every GPU benchmark out there, uploaded it all, figured out I had to run specific CPU overclocks for different benchmarks and 'waste' a lot of time doing that. I really enjoyed that learning curve, but sometimes it was frustrating because I had no idea what I was doing wrong. 

8 hours ago, Avacado said:

That is an easy answer, buy more tech. Some of the best fun to be had is with much older gen stuff. It can also yield some of the highest points for benching. If you are REALLY after serious points, you are going to have to start Vmodding. 

This man knows what he's talking about, older hardware is way more fun and rewarding (literally and figuratively). 
If you combine the power of a new CPU with an old GPU it'll (usually) crush most of the older runs, pretty easy for harvesting points  
 

24 minutes ago, neurotix said:

I'm getting really sick of waiting on Microcenter to get stock of 4090s, and even then I might not get one, but I'm waiting on that to bench which should get me a good amount of points.

A 4090 will get you a lot of global points, but be careful when you submit them. I would personally wait until next year, use those points to get on top early and fight your way to the number 1 position

3 hours ago, neurotix said:

Edit: anyone have an answer for why the bot isn't updating and showing all the HW Points I got benching the RTX 3060? Pretty much every bench I ran gave me 5-6 hw points and I did like 20. For the season rankings, before I did them I had 492 hw points and now it updated and says I only have 500 when I know for fact I earned at least 80 hw points...

Quick answer for this question: the bot only counts 10 competition submissions, 15 global submissions and 30 hardware submissions for the season. You have 956.9 points for this season which seems correct looking at your stats. As for the career points, the bot counts 30 global submissions and 60 hardware submissions, that's why you have 1639 career points. 

Take a look at the points tab on your profile and open every tab there for more info.

Sometimes Chris turns off the light in the dungeon but forgets he's on stream. All I see is some shadows, but I'm pretty sure he's moving towards the crawl space. I don't want to know what's happening after that, but the screams are frightening... 

So I totally forgot to post here that my fellow Dutchie @server075 became Numba Wan in the Rookie League!
We had a bit of fun together and now he is hoarding used old hardware on the Dutch marketplace and looking for every bit of extra performance..

On a different note... After switching CPU's many many times it had to come to this eventually I guess. I dropped a CPU in the socket of the Z690 Dark K!ngp!n board. It was sticking to the TG contact frame and for some reason I didn't hold it down. It only dropped about 1cm, but at a slight angle and managed to bent 4 pins and break a piece of plastic which separates the pins. That plastic is somewhere below the pins, and I can't find it but I can see it missing with my magnifying glass. I did a little test after restoring the pins but it didn't work (kept boot looping. I assume the plasting is preventing the pins from bending into place once the CPU is mounted. I'm very sad and pissed, but I guess that's how things go. At least I had a reason to buy something fancy for now...

It's not even easy to notice, I was hoping for the best...

And now the new, very cool and good working board:

Hey @neurotix, you are doing a great job on the Bot!
I'd like to hang out some time, do you have Discord? I've got some idea's to improve specific scores, which could mean a lot of extra points

Besides that, I really enjoy seeing all those results pop up in my feed

On 01/12/2022 at 11:13, J7SC_Orion said:

I can't do much about the VRAM temps right now

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Or an EVC2 on the mem and a nice bump in voltage to get a bit more than 1500mhz  
 

Not funny Chris, not funny at all

I mean, if we have to ship something to the Netherlands it might be worth it to add a few but darn it, 1700 pins is a lot in that socket. They are so close to eachother

Thanks for sharing!
I think I checked for an update two days ago and it wasn't there, but glad you tested it so I'll wait
Hopefully by the time I've got a nice kit of A-die we'll have a new bios version.

Also, I had to play around with the 12300 and I couldn't get it to work on the 2.03 sadly. I still have the 1.14 bios saved and it did work on that one. I don't like the fact that BCLK overclocking doesn't work on the newer versions where the memory overclocking should be better, but despite the older bios version I was working with 7020mhz CL28-39-39-28 2T with a chip that doesn't allow a change of SA voltage. I think the CPU could clock higher if I could get it over 130bclk. Maybe one day with some ICE on the core and a bump in voltages all around, but I'm sort of careful with this AVX 12300.

Oh man, that sucks...

On 27/11/2022 at 17:37, Mr. Fox said:

Funny, I was going to say that if you beat them I wouldn't try harder. 3060 Ti is a really nice and affordable card for gamerboyz. It is absolutely not an enthusiast product. The only reason I have it is because I needed a replacement GPU on my work computer fast and cheap. Under normal circumstances I would never entertain the idea of buying consumer-grade sheeple crap below the flagship product.

I just couldn't get the memory clocks up higher, and I tried enough (lower core clock higher mem etc) but it was just acting up. Probably has lesser quality chips, idk.

After that I decided to give it a voltmod, it is working but the boost algorithm is just a pain in the behinds to get it working properly. Under LN2 it might work properly, but with ambient cooling it is just all over the place.

My card was for F@H, which it did good enough but it is a single 8 pin design (XC). I just feel like it's a bit behind in quality compared to your FTW3.

1 hour ago, The Pook said:

I barely understand HWBOT points beyond the basics though

Ha, I feel you
It takes a lot of time and some figuring out before one understands how that system works. 

On 28/11/2022 at 19:15, Avacado said:

1. League (Member belongs to)
2. Team Ranking
3. Career Ranking
4. Season Ranking
5. Country Ranking
6. Total Points
7. Cumulative HW Medals (Gold, Silver, Bronze, Top 5 medal)
8. Best Benchmark Result (If possible) in terms of HW points achieved. 

 

Inclusion of all of them might not be possible to be pulled from the site. I listed them in order of priority (At least from my own perspective). 

6 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

I would say 2,5,6 and 8. Not sure I understand how the rest work and how relevant they are for a summary style widget. 

Personally I think that the follwing numbers are the most relevant: 4 - 3 - 6 (but season points) - 1 - 7
4. Season ranking is what one works for with current hardware he owns, sort of shows the activity from that year.
3. Career ranking is a little less relevant, though it's a more long therm picture of what one has done.
6. Season points speaks for itself, the number means more to active users than outsiders though.
1. League is pretty important, if someone is fifth in the extreme league it's a way bigger acomplishment than being first in the enthusiast league.
7. And medals is kinda fun to show off with, though besides global medals it doesn't really matter that much to me.

Nice results @Mr. Fox 

As far as competing goes, my card is not willing to do more. Memory sucks and I couldn't get it to do more with the core either. The only way forward is with a better card, and I'm not sure I want another 3060Ti.

7 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

Thanks Bastiaan . Per my previous post, I have a few bugged runs w/ artefacts (marked as such) which of course I did not sub at 3DMark...I haven't even subbed the other ones yet. As to that HWBot / 3DMark ECC 'change' via Systeminfo, it is an absolute farce that makes management of both look bad, IMO, just because a few of the HWBot Elite benchers with corporate sponsorship got usurped. HWbot has had all kinds of bugged runs submitted (often by the same folks who are now complaining) for years and years. 'Special' NVInspector versions with LOD settings beyond what the normal NVI has, that sort of thing. Even recently, I have seen vids of subs by top HWBot benchers that were basically just blob shapes with no detail (3DM 06). I am glad that I don't have to put up with that anymore. As to the artefacts, sometimes you get way higher scores (examples above, marked with 'artefacts'), often though, artefacts lower the score. 

 

With the changes HWBot and 3DMark now introduces, they have skewed the whole thing re. older GPUs and subs. Good riddance...

 

On a happier note, I had a bit of time to clean up the conversion of the 3090 to the 4090 per pics below...pic quality will be improved upon !

 

 

 

...and speaking of pic quality, FS2020 w/DLSS3 maxing the C1 OLED 4K/120 

 

I know you wouldn't sub those runs, as it makes no sense if you do not compete and probably for moral reasons too. 
As far as the 'farce' of ECC goes, I know what you mean and it's sad that measures like this are needed to keep those bugged runs out but I truly hate seeing modded or bugged runs on HWBOT (ask @Avacado).
When I see a few green lights during the whole run it's fine, but if the whole screen turns into a disco party or an artistic construction site I'll hit that ESC button as fast as possible and find a way to make it work.
Now I've had a few runs finish with artefacts and received higher scores, but it never felt right to submit those. Also, what is the point for me? I've got so much hardware that I could just grab another card which works better.
It is sad that things are going this way, but I feel like that's a natural evolution of 'good things'... 

The 4090 looks really good this way! I love the cable, it looks so much better than an extension with those 4 big connectors! As much as I hate the design of the 12VHPWR, it looks way cleaner than having 3 (or 4 as per spec) PCIE power cables sticking out of a GPU.

Picture quality is almost (if not) perfect, I had to go full screen to really enjoy it  

On 17/11/2022 at 19:26, Avacado said:

He is an excellent choice for choosing benchmarks and making it fair. Plus he's already a HWbot team captain  

So excellent that I have been thinking for days and I have no clue what to do to make it fair, interesting and work..
Also, that team captain thing wasn't my choice. I don't mind keeping an eye out for incorrect team submissions but I'm not really looking for extra work.

On 18/11/2022 at 06:03, The Pook said:

or just remove the hardware requirement entirely and just go by HWBOT points. set a week or month long period and winner = whoever submits the most points during that time frame. use whatever hardware you want. 

Going by HWBOT points would be a big mistake. For example, I have at least 1500 points in benchmarks that I could submit if I wanted to. Cheap hardware is the most entertaining, and usually not worth a lot on the bot.
 

On 22/11/2022 at 00:03, pioneerisloud said:

You clearly didn't watch @Bastiaan_NL on stream very often......... 

That one hurts, that one time you were there with me and I blew that GT240 GDDR5
Though that's the only card I remember literally blowing up...

On 13/11/2022 at 21:33, J7SC_Orion said:

I can feel your regret (if that's the right expression) for having to pass on that 4090

A part of it is regret, but I have so much more fun with older GPU's than the newer GPU's. I recently found out what was holding me back with the 7970 and managed to clock it a lot higher. Still not where I want to be but so much fun to play with it.
 

On 13/11/2022 at 21:33, J7SC_Orion said:

But as you know, benching for me is not as serious an undertaking as it once was.

You keep saying this, but I know you still enjoy it way too much for it to be just 'fine tuning'

On 13/11/2022 at 21:33, J7SC_Orion said:

I picked up around 50 extra fps...even in difficult scenes

That's a big difference, and it'll make the game way more enjoyable this way!

On 21/11/2022 at 07:32, J7SC_Orion said:

VRAM wants more heat...

This is really interesting. I watched a few benchmark video's with LN2 on 4090's and they are all using a big heater. Now I know that it's useful to keep the condensation to a minimum but now it also serves as a memory heater to keep the clocks up. Maybe a good voltmod on the memory might help to keep the temps up

On 23/11/2022 at 07:39, J7SC_Orion said:

.note that the two Port Royal results in the blue box on the right don't really count (artefacts) though are tagged 'valid' by 3DM...

There is a nice discussion on HWBOT going about the artefacts in benchmarks leading to unreasonable scores which are still 'valid'.
The latest systeminfo version includes a check for ECC enabled, which will cut performance but should filter out those bugged runs. I'm still not sure what to think about it, but at least they are trying to make it fair for everyone. 

To keep the memory warmer than the core you would almost use a less efficient thermal putty cause you want the core to be as cold as possible. At least you now know what was/is holding you back.

Happy thanksgiving guys, and all the best to all of you
I'm glad you pulled through Jan, and I hope you'll stay with us for a long time. Don't let that weird pumping thing hold you back  

Oh I bet he is getting rich, I got some stuff for free too so you know what that means

Now you are talking, you getting a few goodies from Elmor and using a pot is music to my ears!
 

Everytime I look at HWBOT this song pops up in my mind. Pretty sure not everyone likes this kind of music, but it is kinda funny..

( @J7SC_Orion I spend more time listening to classical music than this stuff, just so you know  )

Also, some hardware showed up some time ago but I haven't played with it much.
For now it's on the ever growing list of projects, but 'soon' it'll be used to overclock some hardware even further!