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Here's all of my clicky keyboards I've built compared to Kailh clone MX Blues which should be mostly identical sounding to Cherry MX Blues.

Which one do you guys like best?

Let's try to keep this thread going!

On 13/08/2023 at 00:18, Fluxmaven said:

So I got a 110 pack of Cherry MX Clears on clearance for $15 at Microcenter. This sparked the decision to do another "budget" keyboard. I have been enjoying the Portico75 build that I've been using on my bedroom setup and figured I'd build something similar. I actually ended up just picking up an open box barebones Redragon K649 Pro for $40. So far so good, got a nice 75% board with hotswap and Bluetooth and I'm only in it $55... I then proceed to spend 3X that on keycaps 

 

The keyset I picked up from Drop (IDK why they changed their name from Massdrop). For now I'm running the biip MT3 Extended 2048 standard alphas and modifiers. I also ordered the colored accent modifiers and a separate set of Caps for Causes: MT3 NoveltyCats. When the cat caps show up I'll sprinkle those in in place of some of the function keys and swap to the colored modifiers.

 

The black housing Cherry switches don't let much light through so I did use C³Equalz X TKC Dragon Fruit switches for the function row to let more RGB get through. If I ever get REALLY bored I might pull the clears and rebuild them to be more RGB friendly. I have a bunch of Kailh speed silvers with milk bottoms and clear tops that I'll never use because I still hate linears. Could sacrifice those and lube the MX clear stems while I'm at it... Or just spend more money and buy a different switch entirely lol. 

Somehow I missed this. That's a fine looking keyboard man! Nice desk setup too.

When Zen 3 launched, the first BIOSes for the Crosshair VIII Hero had a bug in them with NVMe drives that led to silent corruption of data and your Windows install. So everyone had to reinstall Windows once a fix was out.

Hurricane, you said it was fine for weeks with your RAM OC and CO OC. Maybe you set your OC to that and just run it, accepting that once in a blue moon it will crash?

When I ran an FX-8350 in 2012, I was running it at 5ghz and it wouldn't pass stress tests but was otherwise totally stable in games and for benching- however once a month or so I'd come back to it to find it hard locked - mouse cursor not moving and a frozen screen. Usually when it was idle. I just accepted that once in a while it was going to do that, and there was really nothing I could do about it if I wanted that OC. So I dealt with it knowing that overclocking is running something out of spec, and a part of that is accepting that there might be issues like I had, and like you are having.

Here's the keyboard in action. I forgot I had this and made it some time ago for another thread. This is NOT the keyboard prize, this is our own identical model.

5 hours ago, Hurricane28 said:

 

 

Good to hear for you, makes one of the few actually without issues. 

 

I am not constant complaining, i provide feedback as well and i did do numerous of testing and post results here too. 

 

The "AMD beta tester" was a joke T-shirt of a friend from the US who also had issues and went Intel. 

No, hurricane you're wrong. I have my own issues with AMD and with my 7900X3D. I am fairly certain I explained them both before while you were posting here. I'll go over it again.

Basically, when I first got the setup it was awesome: I could set Windows Power Plan to Balanced and the V-Cache CCD would be prioritized, the chipset installer modifies this power plan and you need to have that one selected and a few other things for V-Cache to work in games.With PBO that 1st CCD with V-cache has no problems hitting 5150MHz, its' maximum.

For benching or games that prefer frequency over V-Cache, I was able to switch to Windows High Perfomance Power Plan and my 2nd CCD would boost to 5650MHz. It would bounce around between cores and 5450-5650 is what I'd see running 3dmark11, some cores would be at 5500MHz while others were lower or higher.

So it was great because I was getting the best of both worlds right? Balanced Power Plan for Gaming and V-Cache, High Performance power plan for benching or games that like raw frequency.

Then about a month after I had it, the 2nd CCD stopped boosting to 5650MHz, it would not go over 5100MHz almost like it was being limited by software or by the board so it was limited to the V-Cache CCD speeds. A few months later a BIOS update fixed it, this was in April I think, but it only lasted a few weeks and ever since, my 2nd CCD won't boost past  ~5200MHz in any load.

The issue persists now.

The reason I don't complain about it is that I'm playing the long game and being patient to see if it eventually gets permanently fixed. It is still fantastic for gaming, I just can't bench on it. So far there's been improvements with each BIOS. With them adding support for 24GB modules, I have those and am extremely happy with my 7600MHz RAM overclock.

Additionally, up until AGESA 1.0.0.8 recently, my POST times were reallllllyyyy long. It would hang on 15 with a yellow LED lit under it for about 45 seconds (training RAM). Since I main Linux as my OS and have a dual boot of Win10 and Linux, sometimes I reboot a lot and that wait time was just awful, it took like a full minute to reboot between OSes. However, now that has changed and it POSTs in about 5-10 seconds, I haven't timed it. So that's a pretty huge fix.

Unfortunately with these bleeding edge AMD processors and chipsets, it takes time for all issues to be resolved. I can say that with this launch, at least when I got my setup (March I think?) these teething issues haven't been nearly as bad as when I got a Crosshair VIII Hero back in 2019 with a 3900x. The bios had no color coding for voltages, and my boot time was like a minute and a half to get to the OS login screen. It was all eventually fixed. So I'm hopeful they will fix my 2nd CCD boosting issue this round.

I do understand in your situation you basically have something that's unusable, and you can't figure out why. Let me tell you I went through Asus support for my CCD boosting issue and they were useless. I went to AMD and they had me try a bunch of things and basically blamed 3rd party software like hwinfo64, RivaTuner, and Armory Crate that I NEED to have installed for my motherboards RGB to work- Aura Creator will not work without the Armory Crate suite, and I have a full RGB rig so yeah that's kind of important. For the boost issue I've tried flashing bios through the UEFI as well as USB BIOS flashback on a flash stick with the system off, I've tried beta bios, I've tried everything I can possibly think of to fix the boost issue and nothing has worked. So I know the frustration and despair you are probably feeling, and feeling ripped off by AMD, and so on because your rig won't work and you don't know why and can't fix it.

Sorry this is happening to you. Ryzen has been great to me with a 3900x, 5900x and now a 7900X3D.

If you're going to sell it, then please don't drag us down here with the constant complaining and multiple "amd beta tester" comments.

3 minutes ago, ENTERPRISE said:

 

Then I have to assume something is up with your OC

That's what I've been suggesting, raise CO values from -22 to -15 but he hasn't said if he tried that or not yet.

Putting up a brand new keyboard for this month, it's really nice. We have one ourselves.

It is the Rosewill K85 mechanical keyboard, full programmable RGB lighting, it also lights up on the sides, and comes with clone blue MX switches made by Kailh. It is super clicky. ABS keycaps though unfortunately, as opposed to PBT. Since the RGB lighting is in the switch (I think), this would be a very good board to put PBT pudding keycaps or maybe clear keycaps on and some O-Rings.

Good luck in the random draw guys!

Good luck, hope you get something working...

On a different topic:

No AGESA 1.1 yet for my board, the Asus ROG Strix X670E-E Gaming Wifi.

There's a testing version of it, I thought I would share this link:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19gqxeeAdUmkwgE0EvH4MlJ7meeDbEHYP-FHYW-PMyOk/htmlview#

This has basically every BIOS for Zen 4 that's been released including old ones with voltage control and ratio overclocking for X3D chips, as well as BIOS without the 1.3v SoC restriction.

My mobo has the ability to downgrade BIOS using the regular EZ Flash tool in the BIOS, no need to put it on a thumb drive and rename it for USB BIOS flashback. Dunno if you guys with Aorus boards can do the same.

Just figured I'd share, hope this helps.

3 hours ago, Hurricane28 said:

You are right tho, i used it just for testing. I disabled it now. 

 

The problem is ram. Few days or weeks its stable and the other day it just freezes on me for no reason. It begins with mouse tracking issues which after a reboot disappear. 

 

The latest BIOS completely locked up for me so i send this info with video to Gigabyte for them to send it to Taiwan. 

 

I already put an add on my AMD system man, if i can get a good price i will sell it and buy Intel. I am done beta testing for AMD, sorry not sorry.

It's unfortunate you can't figure it out; did you try everything we suggested?

Either running it totally at stock, or do your RAM OC but back off on curve optimizer values?

@Hurricane28

You run CO at -22 right? And no PBO?

I'd suggest trying raising (actually lowering) your CO values to -15 or something and applying the RAM OC you have that is tested stable and see if maybe the CO is the problem. If you get random freezes or reboots it could be due to the processor OC possibly.

6 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

 

The only freezing issues I had were on the 2600X. Turned out the Asus motherboard I had was a dud. However since owning a 3950X, 5950X and the 7950X3D I have not had any issues unless it was related to an unstable OC. 

 

I have had lots of OC attempts that seems stable, even after lots of testing, but ultimately were not and caused inexplicable hanging. Do you get any random freezing at 100% stock ? I think that is the only way you will be able to tell if anything beyond stock config is causing your issues. Sure stock sucks, but you may want to run it for say 30 days and see what your mileage is. No issues, then you are looking at an OC/some other config issue. 

QFT

Process of elimination.

Bios not available for my board yet. Thanks for the heads up about those security features and turning off virtualization. If I run into the same problem I'll know how to fix it.

I'm not big on hardware YouTubers personally because they go in and out of style. Like back in the day we had Linus, then Steve from Gamer's Nexus got huge, jayztwocents was around too, der8auer was popular for a while and now it's this Buildzoid guy (His voice is obnoxious to me.)

I'll try to listen as its only 20 minutes long but his voice is very annoying.

I used to use YouTube a lot and follow all those guys as well as others related to retro gaming, but in the last 3 years since we moved, YouTube has gotten terrible with two 5 second ads you can skip before each video or straight up unskippable 15 second ads. I generally cast videos to a Roku or Chromecast and that's how I used to use YouTube so I have to deal with the ads, but now it just sucks so much I don't even bother.

Sorry for the rant.

9 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

...undershoot, overshoot and that sort of thing for Ryzen 7K by Buildzoid in this July '23 vid; w/ some comments about PBO and X3D in the latter half

 

 

Can you please give a timestamp for the parts about PBO and X3D?

Any answer about T-Topology vs Daisy Chain that I asked about?

If you want help with a logo and provide me some AI generated anime girls, I can put something together for you if you want.

1 hour ago, Hurricane28 said:

 

I never buy Asus ROG motherboards again.. Ton of issues with them and they do not care about their customers man. 

Went Gigabyte and couldn't be more happy tbh. 

 

ROG is just over priced for what you get too and their software is the worst in the world. 

 

Sorry, no hate just observation and personal experience with the brand. 

I love my board except for the boosting issue, as well as being unable to do 8000MHz stable on RAM (Which could actually be the IMC or the DIMMs and not the board).

I've bought nothing but ROG/Asus boards since 2012 or so. The Crosshair VIII Hero was pretty rocky on launch in 2019 when I first got it and was an early adopter. Boot times of a minute and a half. No color coding for voltages depending on severity (yellow for slight voltage increase, purple for highish voltage, and red for LN2 level voltages). Eventually they implemented that and fixed the boot time.

I agree their support is terrible and they force you to use the MyAsus app now, Armoury Crate sucks and is necessary for Aura Creator (RGB software) to work, and so forth.

I actually contacted them through the MyAsus app about half a year ago and explained the 2nd CCD on my board won't go over 5200MHz in any benchmark where previously I had it at 5650, they basically had me downgrade my bios from a beta one to the next oldest version, that didn't fix it. Then they had me clear CMOS and that didn't work either and they told me they didn't know what to do to fix it.

Problem with getting a new mobo is I'll take a loss selling the old one and my fiance won't agree to it atm as she'd be the one putting it in. I have asked for too much pc stuff recently already, and I have multiple severe pain conditions that prevent me from putting it together myself meaning she would have to do it and there's no way she'd be willing atm. She just wants me to wait for a bios update to fix it.

Hey @J7SC_Orion

Is the Gigabyte board you have T-Topology or Daisy Chain? What specific board is it?

I highly consider replacing my motherboard because of the 2nd CCD not boosting issue. I think it may also be Daisy Chain Topology, I know for a fact that the Crosshair VIII Hero in my partners rig is, so I'm guessing that's what my Strix X670E-E is.

I wonder if T-Topology works better for these 2x24 SR DIMMs.

Also found out that with the exact same settings, I'm getting less performance from my RAM and higher latency.

Compared to that, today I was only getting 96GB/sec Read and Write and the latency was 63.7.

So, I did try to overclock my RAM on AGESA 1.0.0.8 again. Was trying for 8000MHz again with looser timings and more voltage.

I even tried raising CAS from 36 to 38 and then 40, and memtestCL would still throw errors right away. I was using these suggested settings from kaliz:

I left tRDRDSD, tRDRDDD, etc alone and at the values shown by ZenTimings, as opposed to setting those all to 1. Otherwise, I used the looser suggested timings. I also left tRFCs higher instead of kaliz suggestion of 600 for each.

I don't know if it's the kit, my IMC, my CPU or what but I cannot get stable at 8000MHz.

Just figured I'd share. Don't get your hopes up too high for when 1.0.0.8 drops for your guys' Gigabyte boards.