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I looked into it on Linux and was just baffled at how it worked, plus it messed up my custom GMMK lighting (synthwave fade across it) when I opened it and I had to redo it using the software for the keyboard in Windows.

I found an old version of Asus lighting control standalone, I uninstalled Armory Crate and like 8 other things, and used a registry cleaner to get rid of any traces of it. Going to reboot now, install the old version of Asus Lighting control, and see if it works. Tired of sending them telemetry

The effect is worth it though imo.

Yep, RGB is a pita. I have Aura Creator that I use for the light strips, RAM and fans, MSI Center that I need to control card lighting, GMMK keyboard software to control the keyboard, and Cooler Master MM520 that I use to control the mouse lighting.

MSI center is terrible and so is Aura Creator, which now *requires* you have ASUS horrible Armory Crate software installed and like 10 Asus services running.

I remember in 2020 when I first built Ai Crystal and transferred parts into it from Big Red, my former build, there was a standalone Aura Sync software you could download and not install Armory Crate and all the bloat that comes with it, if you wish. If anyone can find a link to that old Aura software, I'd give you like ten reps.

Mine has like half the options in that screenshot in the same section.

I looked through every section of my bios including AMD CBS, DRAM Timing, and AMD Overclocking, but could not find this option unless it's named something else.

Asus Rog Strix X670E-E

1 hour ago, kaliz said:

your scores are already very good especially with AiO! That cooler is proper strong!

I thought the same. Like, why redo them if they are all gold cups already afaik? I suppose doing it would simply make my scores harder to beat. I guess I could do them again with your suggestions just to see how well I can do and top myself.

Yes, this cooler is fantastic, it keeps the chip under 70c running y-cruncher, Cinebench etc. My old h150i would be at like 80c

Thanks for the advice kaliz. I'll try this stuff out eventually next time I bench.

46 minutes ago, damric said:

I swear LEDs need to become standardized. That crap drives me crazy with all the pin-outs and proprietary connectors.

Agreed, there's two varying standards and it's ridiculous, it's so easy to get the wrong thing, and this is not the first time it's happened either.

A new bios with new AGESA just dropped for my board a few days ago. Haven't gotten to installing it yet. It is Combo AM5 1.0.8.0.

Despite being on an older BIOS, I have seen plenty of gain in benchmarks for hwbot even when I was OCed to 6200mhz cas 30 with G.skill Flare X. Now with these 2x24 TridentZ5 M-Die modules at 7600MHz, I've seen fantastic performance improvements. Not just in hwbot benches either, the real world performance gain is there in games too.

Forza Horizon 5 benchmark with stock: 190 fps

Forza Horizon 5 benchmark with B-Die 6200mhz: 195 fps

Forza Horizon 5 benchmark with M-Die 7600MHz: 199 fps

This was done with my Ryzen 7900X3D in Balanced power plan so the V-Cache was active, and no OC/stock power limit on my RTX 4090. Resolution was 3440x1440.

I'm seeing performance benefits from OC'ing my memory and so is pretty much everyone else here.

Blame AGESA all you want but it seems your system is unstable and has defective memory or something, or maybe you just don't want to do the work and enter timings manually to get a stable OC. So please stop posting misinformation claiming RAM oc doesn't matter, because it does. Even if the difference is sometimes small or non-existent because of the application. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Unfortunately, they arrived and were 4 pin digital RGB instead of 3 pin ARGB which is what my system uses. Sigh. We're not even bothering returning them as they were $12.

Fortunately, I have the same ones but 3 pin ordered and they should be here early next week.

Hey, some of you guys especially @kalizshould get on hwbot with these high memory speeds you're posting. Here's some benches to beat:

4 minutes ago, ENTERPRISE said:

Yeah I do

Yep already set to that thanks bud.

Unfortunate it doesn't give you a big bandwidth increase.

Looks great man.

Hey E, if you haven't already, set tREFI to 65535.

On Asus boards, doing so gives like a MASSIVE bandwidth improvement, like 10GB/sec more than if you don't set it that way.

I know you don't have an Asus board but it might be worth trying it to get your Read and Write bandwidth above 90GB/sec.

Hope this helps and it works...

13 minutes ago, ENTERPRISE said:

 

I would also suggest playing with your voltages (you can reference voltages from others but mileage may vary), even if you are not pushing raw speed, tighter timings sometimes require additional voltage to get stable, if you are pushing for the tightest of timings it is likely you will need to increase your DRAM voltage.

 

While it is unlikely your RAM has a fault, to check your RAM is 100% OK, it may be worth restoring your RAM to standard EXPO profile and running Memtest86. At least then once you start your OC journey you know your RAM is all well and any issues you experience is coming from the OC only, whether it be bad timings or voltage factors.

 

I seldom mess around with RAM, once I get stable with a kit I like, I leave it alone. It is a time consuming beast and sometimes massively frustrating. I have personally found DDR5 a massive pain in the ass to OC compared to DDR4. That being said DDR5 is still a baby compared to DDR4 and within reason a different beast. Hang in there!

I'm lucky, for my Flare X B-Die kit I found some ZenTimings from OCN that worked great for me (6200MHz cas 30) and for my new M-Die kit, @J7SC_Oriongave me tightish timings for 7600MHz. Because I'm a n00b. Lol.

As you stated, increasing memory voltage to 1.435v might help. VDD_SOC should be 1.25 and he might need more VDDP and VDDG voltage.

I agree, setting everything to stock and running memtest86 would *definitely* help cuz then he can figure out if his memory is defective. Hopefully @richardmeppelinknows how to make a flash stick with memtest86.

I mess around with RAM a lot and still have a 5900x running 3733/1866 memory with tight timings. I haven't found DDR5 to be any worse than DDR4 personally but as stated, I lucked out and other people's sets of timings worked great for me.

I have given up on trying to get 8000mhz RAM as even with very loose timings I got errors in my tests right away. It just won't do it. However, I'm only losing like less than 1.5GB/sec bandwidth and my latency is lower at 7600MHz, which is confirmed stable.

Good advice E.

14 minutes ago, richardmeppelin said:

BIOS locked for me again.. 

 

Idk what happens but just dialed the Builzoid things in and all is fine untill its not lol. Just freezes and Mouse feels laggy in BIOS too.. 

 

Had to reboot several times and completely reset the BIOS in order to make it work again. Even in EXPO settings the BIOS tripped out.. 

 

I know its an beta BIOS but c'mon this is terrible. So back to square one l guess lol.

Sorry to hear that. Perhaps you should give my timings a try?

Maybe there's something wrong with your RAM, have you tried switching channels (if you have 2 sticks) or reseating the memory? Maybe you need to roll back your BIOS to a non beta? Also, could it be the motherboard?

Are you using PBO? If you are, try lowering your max boost clock (if it's at +200). Perhaps it's a CPU stability issue and not the RAM at all?

Hope this helps.

In bigred

33 minutes ago, ENTERPRISE said:

 

For sure, possibly in future BIOS releases this will be possible, but for now it is not something I will chase, and even then depending on the lottery, it may never be possible. 

 

I have now finished my RAM OC journey for now after getting 6400 stable with 2100 FCLK, I get 62.7ns on the latency which is not too bad. Depending on future BIOS releases with access to other settings (If MSI decide to include them) and more mature AGESA, I may be able to push further. 

 

I will get a ZenTimings Screenie soon. 

Can you also post AIDA64 please?

Ordered these instead, they should be here Friday, and they better damn well do cyan and magenta properly.

4 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

...I got my 670E Aorus Master on sale as well, ditto for the RAM. BTW,  in addition to Neurotix' suggestion, Techpowerup's memtest64 is very good and, well, stressfull judging by the CPU and DDR5 temps it can generate. 10 error-free loops is what I use as the 'pre-screen' for shortlisted, potential RAM settings.  This test will start to fail after 4 - 5 loops if your DDR5 gets too hot / has not enough airflow. Then there's the old stand-by: y-cruncher, it will reboot your system if you are too frisky with your settings, and of course OCCT's RAM tests, including Linpack. Finally, with a single CCD CPU, going to 1:2 does not make sense according to Buildzoid as the latency 'cost' cannot be outweighed by the potential benefits. So focusing on tight but safe (voltages, temps) primaries and secondaries is the way forward, IMO.

 

I'll have to check out memtest64 myself. I just used memtestCL in Ryzen DRAM Calc, and 3 hours of GSAT in Linux.

kaliz was nice enough to give me some suggested timings for 8000Mhz, marked with suggestions in red for what to raise, on Orion's loose 8000MHz timings set. I also used 1.1 VDDP, 1.05v VDDG_CCD, and 0.950v VDDG_IOD, as well as 1.45v MEM_VDD. Unfortunately it failed instantly with errors constantly being generated in memtestCL.

So, this is the best I can do for now. Tbh I don't know if it's the sticks, the motherboard, the IMC or what but I cannot do 8000 stably (I can bench on it however)

6 hours ago, richardmeppelin said:

My first score of today: 

 

Nice latency. 

Isn't this significantly better than what you were doing before? Is it using the timings I gave you? More importantly, is it stable?

I suggest testing it with membench in the old Ryzen DRAM Calculator, do custom and then do 20000MB and 1600 for task scope. This will run memtestCL on 16 threads to 105% coverage per thread.

You can also use GSAT but let's not get into that again

40 minutes ago, damric said:

What are they?

They are RGB lightstrips. Unfortunately they are getting returned. They couldn't do magenta, magenta showed up as a light purple.

Since my rig is almost always on a synthwave Cyan and magenta color theme, the strips not doing magenta is no good. Back to Amazon they go. At least it's fairly easy to replace them.

I *highly* suggest going with the second set of timings I posted.

Just go to the RAM timings section of your BIOS and set them all identically to mine. If you can, blow just the timings up big and print it off. Also, it doesn't show up but use 1.435v for both VDD and VDDQ.

11 minutes ago, richardmeppelin said:

 

Could you post your 7600MHz stable settings again plz? Maybe i see a setting i can change. 

 

 

 

Those but for 7600MHz. I suggest enabling Gear Down Mode. Also, these timings are for M-Die and specifically the kit I linked some time back, TridentZ5 7200 Intel XMP. Make sure you're on the latest bios and AGESA before trying.

13 minutes ago, richardmeppelin said:

 

Understandable, so as far as i understand, an 6000MHz kit with the lowest timings will have increased chance of being good quality ram imo? 

It will be outperformed at 7600MHz+, as I mentioned with my FH5 result. But the difference in bandwidth isn't all that much. If you want timings for 6000MHz try these:

Those are my B-Die timings.

Good luck man. And sorry about earlier.

These showed up today. My current ones are almost 4 years old and setting them to white, they are all yellow. So I'm about to replace the old ones now.