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Also what dies do you have? Can you post a picture of your Thaiphoon Burner report? If you have B-Die, you should be able to lower timings significantly as they are quite loose. I can post a photo of my ZenTimings for you to try if you do indeed have B-Die.

49 minutes ago, ENTERPRISE said:

 

 

Hey guys, 

 

Current OC I am working on as per the below Zen Timings.  @kaliz, I am not running PBO or Curve Optimizer at the moment. Just focusing on RAM for now as I know bringing in CPU OC at this point will complicate matters.

 

 

1.35v for Misc voltage ? Isn't that fairly high ? Currently running at 1.15v, may explain some of the issues I have had stability wise but I have seen on most resources that people are using 1.15v, though it may be possible for my OC I need to crank it up.

 

I will try for a lower SOC, currently at 1.29 just for the sake of testing stability but I would like to lower it if possible to around 1.25v

 

Currently running RAM 1.5v as anything lower I was having issues posting but once I have a stable OC and messed with timings, I will revisit voltages to try and bring them down if possible. Keep your fingers crossed!  For now I am leaving the below settings to Auto in my BIOS and will likely leave them that way unless I HAVE to dial in something specific as it ads another level of complexity I may not even need to look at. I think some of my issue is was I was playing with those settings too.

 

 

Thanks,

E

When I first got my setup and OC'ed the RAM, I found an OCN post recommending 1.35v MISC and 1.25v SoC. Works great for me at 6200/2100. Passed 4 hours of GSAT. So maybe try that voltage and stress test it with Karhu and GSAT?

@ENTERPRISE

I would try 1.25v VDD_SoC and 1.35v Misc voltage for 2100MHz, and leave VDD_Mem on Auto. Give the RAM 1.435v and you will probably (if it's anything like mine) see the Mem controller voltage be at like 1.45v+.

That's how mine is set currently anyway and it's rock solid stable. Also I would suggest lowering the RAM speed to 6400 or 6200 if trying for 2100 fclk which is what I run. (6200MHz, 2100 fclk).

Hope this helps.

18 hours ago, Fluxmaven said:

As fun as it is to give you an early lead then run you down at end, it was only a matter of time before it didn't work out. 

 

Now that it's starting to cool down, I won't have to power limit the cards so expect to see a bit different outcome next time 

 

Either way, I had fun as always. I know I wasn't the only person with technical difficulties this month. Hopefully everyone can get their rigs firing on all cylinders by next time. 

My 3rd place win this time was a fluke anyway since your 4070 ti wasn't going for a period of time. If it had been, you would have passed me.

I'm pretty happy with finally getting 3rd since this has been going on since like, March. But I'm more happy that I did 62m points for the cause in 48 hours, and that everyone came together as a team again for a great cause. We did a ton of points collectively over 48 hours.

Now if we could just get more people folding 24/7 or close to it.

Great foldathon guys! As always.

Not again. I hate you.

1 hour ago, ENTERPRISE said:

Yeah DDR5 is definitely proving to be a little bit more of a challenge to get right that is for sure. It is a fair point regarding the ECC. Would it make sense to simply disable it ? I note in the BIOS it can be disabled but I would imagine its better to leave on. Fair note on TFAW, will keep that in mind to check to make sure that isn't causing issues.

 

Fair point regarding Superposition 8K would be a good workout and visually more pleasing than memtest lol. 

 

I might contact MSI support and ask why they hide GDM and RTL as I think that is poor on a higher end board.

You can disable ECC in the bios and you may get slightly better performance or results in overclocking.

Don't worry too much about tFAW 15, I would suggest you set it to 16 though as it seems to like multiples of 4. I run my RAM at 6200MHz with 16 tFAW which is very close to what you're running. It's really tight but assuming you have no errors and the system is stable it should be ok. I suggest using GSAT for a minimum of 4 hours.

Is there anyway you can post your AIDA64 results? I missed them if you posted them. You have an issue with high latency right?

Ai Crystal Cube is going

2 hours ago, ENTERPRISE said:

What does your latency look like at those speeds/timings? Just wondering as im working on a kit now, granted at 6400 MT/s but looking at tight timings to better the latency. Then after that may push for higher clocks, at or close to 7000 MT/s and try to tighten timings again.

 

Looking at your UCLK you have it at DIV/2 ?

 

 

I'm pretty sure if you go back a few pages, J7SC_Orion posted screens of DDR5-8000 with AIDA64 and his latency was like 62ns.

Also, the Uclk/Memclk div 2 is because once you pass a certain speed on RAM, the Memclk will no longer be half the RAM clock.

I've been told that to outperform say, 6200MHz with tight timings, you need to be running 7600MHz to match it, and then if you get your kit to 8000MHz it would outperform ~6000 with tight timings.

This is my understanding of it from chatting with the guys here. I have G.skill Flare X B-Die and was warned that going over 6600 on it is really hard or impossible. Ideally for very high RAM speeds on Zen 4, you want Hynix A-Die. Check your kit with Thaiphoon Burner if you haven't.

Hope this helps.

Here's the fan noise from 5 feet away from Ai Crystal folding, on the MSI Gaming X Trio 4090 with fans set to 80%

Hey @J7SC_Orion

Can you post a link to your ram kit on Amazon please? The wife got a lot of stuff for my rig lately but in a month or two I'll ask her to get me your kit and I'll be able to join in the Zen 4 7000MHz+ RAM club.

Got some new posters, to replace the old Intel ones I gave to Avacado.

Lights on:

Lights off:

On 16/09/2023 at 15:32, Snakecharmed said:

What's going on with the sequential write speeds? Those are obviously way off where they should be.

 

That also reminds me that I should benchmark my SSDs. I never did that after completing my build.

@Snakecharmed

I just tested the Crucial T700 speeds again, and I think when I did the benchmark before I think I was downloading Forza Horizon 4 and 5 in the background, causing a lot of write operations that interfered with the benchmark.

This should look a lot better

A few pics of my system off with the EK cooler. And some of the front of my case. Took these while doing the monthly cleaning.

So, my wonderful wife installed my new EK Nucleus AIO CR360 Dark for me this morning. Since I just had hip surgery and have back pain too, doing this on my own wasn't possible.

Previously I had the Corsair H150i RGB Pro XT. With like four cables coming off the block ruining the clean look of my rig. The performance was pretty poor, too.

Some preliminary test numbers, on my 7900X3D:

Windows Idle temp with Corsair: 45-50c

Windows Idle temp with EK Nucleus: 32-35c

CPU-Z bench multicore Corsair: 78-80c

CPU-Z bench multicore EK Nucleus: 62c

More testing needs to be done, but running folding@home on Linux on my 4090, the waste heat would heat my CPU up and to 69-72c with the Corsair. With the EK Nucleus, the highest I've seen is 62c.

It looks better and cools way better. I'm glad I read the review here about the unit. I used to use an Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 before and would have continued using it in my build, except its around 38mm thick without fans and did not clear the VRM heatsinks on my new board, the Asus ROG Strix X670E-E Gaming Wifi. That cooler worked better but it seems the EK Nucleus (which has a 27mm thickness, and fit fine) is at least as good as the Arctic cooler, if not better. I'm thrilled.

3 hours ago, Snakecharmed said:

What's going on with the sequential write speeds? Those are obviously way off where they should be.

 

That also reminds me that I should benchmark my SSDs. I never did that after completing my build.

No idea. I may have to look into it further.

So I upgraded from a Samsung 970 Evo Gen3 M.2 drive to a Crucial T700 Gen 5 M.2 drive. Unfortunately, my Linux dd backup had errors while imaging the 970 Evo, and though it made an img, when I loaded it onto the new drive and looked at gparted all the ext4 partitions were showing as "unknown". Meaning, I've had to reinstall and configure Win10 and now will be doing the same with Linux.

However, here is the performance increase. This should help greatly with load times in Forza Horizon 4 and 5. And I have enough room to have both at once.

Samsung 970 Evo:

Crucial T700:

Awesome improvement.

I only did one sub, but it was the best in its category/stage.

If I could have used my 5900x I would have done the AM4 stage too.

Thanks to everyone else who worked so hard to submit scores in every stage! I was really hoping we would get 3rd place, what happened? 7th is still amazing for us and for the scale of our site and people participating.

Welcome!

So here's a question:

Does going from 6200MHz cas 30 to DDR-7000+ have any tangible performance improvement in gaming, or does it just help benchmarks?

DOOM 2016 or DOOM Eternal theme (could also be Fire Strike):

11 minutes ago, kaliz said:

looks very good timings are tight! i would set VMISC to 1,1v, as thats the standard. Sorry to hear about you in pain man that * sucks. Hope the misses can get you some assistance with the PC

Thanks, kaliz.

Yeah we'll do my upgrades when I can put TIM on the block and install the new m.2 drive. She'll help a lot getting my old cooler out and the board out since this cooler requires a custom backplate for AM5 afaik.

27 minutes ago, kaliz said:

v misc at 1,35v? 

samsung b-die is pretty decent, but anything beyond DDR5- 6600 is a pain! So if you really want such high speed DDR5 on AM5 you need a set of Hynix RAM, preferably 16Gbit A-die or 24gb M-die. If you cannot go passed 1,435v on your mobo i would just keep the Samsung kit, 6200C30 is nice, can you post a zentimings screenshot?

 

How do you like the Nucleus AiO? I have one in my AMD rig its good far. sometimes the pump make a little rattle noise at a certain rpm, but its fixed now.

 

 this is what im running , with PBO -50MHz en CO 2 best cores -15 rest -35, for the hwbot teamcup. i cannot get 5000MHz otherwise 

Thanks for the info on B-Die and going beyond 6600MHz. Repped. I won't bother then.

I have very very tight secondary and tertiary timings and great performance.

As you can see.

I will probably wait three months then ask for the M-Die kit that J7SC_Orion has lol

I cannot comment on the Nucleus AIO as it has not been installed yet. I had serious hip surgery on Friday and am 3 days post op. Pain is not too bad but the vicadin is making me nauseous. I have hip, neck and low back pain issues so my wife works on my rig most of the time now. The cooler is sitting on the table and I really want to put it in but it may only happen next weekend or the weekend after. Also putting in a 1TB Gen 5 m.2 drive then which she doesn't know how to do, and I will need to make backups during the week and use dd in Linux to image the existing drive then load it onto the new one and expand the partitions to fill the free space. I will probably also run CrystalDiskMark before and after to be able to prove/justify the upgrade to my wife. Lol.

Sorry for going a little off topic and big thanks to you for sparing me CMOS reset hell trying to OC my Ram that high.