hardwaretimes AMD Ryzen 5000 CPUs Continue to Outsell Intel’s 12th Gen Lineup Across Holiday Season: Ryzen 5 5600X

[ENTERPRISE]

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The holiday season is in full swing with retailers offering all kinds of discounts across the computer hardware industry. This would normally apply to the CPU and the GPU markets as well, but courtesy of the semiconductor shortages, most processors are still going at MSRP rates, and GPUs selling at twice the launch price. Regardless, major chipmakers including NVIDIA, Intel, and AMD are pulling in massive profits as the demand for microprocessors continues to rise:

The Ryzen 5 5600X continues to be the bestselling CPU at both Amazon and Newegg, followed by the Ryzen 7 5800X and/or the Ryzen 9 5900X. The third spot is held by the budget Cezanne APU, the Ryzen 5 5600G, after which we’ve got a few Intel SKUs in the bottom half of the chart. At Amazon, we’ve got the Core i5-10400 and the Core i3-10100F at #6 and #7, while Newegg sees the Core i7-11700K, and the newly launched Core i7-12700K and the 12900K at the 5th, 6th, and 7th spots, respectively.

 

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[Sir Beregond]

I bet a lot of this is platform cost. I think Intel definitely has performance and price competitiveness with 12th gen against Zen 3, but when you take into account the market prior to 12th gen, how many people are already on AM4 platforms that might be compatible with Ryzen 5000 and they just need to upgrade, maybe update a BIOS, etc.? vs having to buy into a totally new platform with a new mobo, possibly new RAM, etc.

 

Secondarily, a lot of mindshare right now with AMD vs Intel built up from the past few years.

 

I don't know, just speculation on my part. Personally glad to see Intel back into the game. Proper competition is great. (don't look at GPUs right now )

Edited December 30, 2021 by Sir Beregond

[ciarlatano]

On 30/12/2021 at 15:58, Sir Beregond said:

I bet a lot of this is platform cost. I think Intel definitely has performance and price competitiveness with 12th gen against Zen 3, but when you take into account the market prior to 12th gen, how many people are already on AM4 platforms that might be compatible with Ryzen 5000 and they just need to upgrade, maybe update a BIOS, etc.? vs having to buy into a totally new platform with a new mobo, possibly new RAM, etc.

 

Secondarily, a lot of mindshare right now with AMD vs Intel built up from the past few years.

 

I don't know, just speculation on my part. Personally glad to see Intel back into the game. Proper competition is great. (don't look at GPUs right now )

 

I don't think that is just speculation. I've actually been shopping for an upgrade the last couple of weeks. Between price gouging and availability, going to LGA 1700 is a chore right now. But, I'm not about to settle for a 5600X with the 12600K out there. I'm going to wait until things stabilize and 1700 blocks are actually available, but a lot of who buys this time of year is trying to satisfy the Veruca Salt "I want it now, daddy!!!!!!!!" constituent. They are going to wait until spring to get another 3fps on their games.

[Avacado]

36 minutes ago, ciarlatano said:

 

I don't think that is just speculation. I've actually been shopping for an upgrade the last couple of weeks. Between price gouging and availability, going to LGA 1700 is a chore right now. But, I'm not about to settle for a 5600X with the 12600K out there. I'm going to wait until things stabilize and 1700 blocks are actually available, but a lot of who buys this time of year is trying to satisfy the Veruca Salt "I want it now, daddy!!!!!!!!" constituent. They are going to wait until spring to get another 3fps on their games.

Fair. I will say I just picked up a 12900KF, ASUS Z690-A, DDR5 5600. I bought a new Optimus block that fits the 1700 socket well. They had it in stock and it was at my door a week after ordering. 

 

 

Edited January 1, 2022 by Avacado

[iamjanco]

I'll wait until the situation with DDR5 stabilizes, COVID settles, and peace among men actually becomes a thing. If that means holding off until the next release, I'm okay with that.

[ENTERPRISE]

2 hours ago, iamjanco said:

I'll wait until the situation with DDR5 stabilizes, COVID settles, and peace among men actually becomes a thing. If that means holding off until the next release, I'm okay with that.

I think that is your best bet. Anything else will either be super costly or some form of side grade. Every new RAM gen comes with a "Give it a moment" mentality. I have always waited a good year sometimes before making the jump. 

[ciarlatano]

4 hours ago, Avacado said:

Fair. I will say I just picked up a 12900KF, ASUS Z690-A, DDR5 5600. I bought a new Optimus block that fits the 1700 socket well. They had it in stock and it was at my door a week after ordering. 

 

 

 

Two questions - First, how are you liking the board? The DDR4 version is at the top of my list, and looks like a nice price/feature proposition for the needs of the system I intend. It's actually overkill in some ways, but it seems that thermal sensors are now a rarity, and buying a cheaper board and needing to add a Quadro just doesn't make much sense.

 

Second, I was under the impression that the Optimus blocks were suffering from inadequate mounting pressure on 1700?

[Sir Beregond]

7 hours ago, ciarlatano said:

 

I don't think that is just speculation. I've actually been shopping for an upgrade the last couple of weeks. Between price gouging and availability, going to LGA 1700 is a chore right now. But, I'm not about to settle for a 5600X with the 12600K out there. I'm going to wait until things stabilize and 1700 blocks are actually available, but a lot of who buys this time of year is trying to satisfy the Veruca Salt "I want it now, daddy!!!!!!!!" constituent. They are going to wait until spring to get another 3fps on their games.

Sounds about right.

[Avacado]

20 hours ago, ciarlatano said:

 

Two questions - First, how are you liking the board? The DDR4 version is at the top of my list, and looks like a nice price/feature proposition for the needs of the system I intend. It's actually overkill in some ways, but it seems that thermal sensors are now a rarity, and buying a cheaper board and needing to add a Quadro just doesn't make much sense.

 

Second, I was under the impression that the Optimus blocks were suffering from inadequate mounting pressure on 1700?

Love the board (DDR5). I own the DDR4 version (ASUS z690-p) as well because I am waiting on a RAM RMA. The DDR4 board is crap. Limited features, no POST LED indication lights AT ALL on the mobo, RAM training problems etc... I can go on and on. I will be returning the DDR4 board. Please do your homework when buying the DDR4 version. 

 

They quite possibly could suffer from mounting pressure issues. There are 2 possible mounting configurations that the board allows for. I chose the closer pattern and have been satisfied. The block is a direct attachment (No mounting springs). I could certainly see how putting too much torque on either configuration would lead to bowing in the middle of the coldplate causing inadequate contact. There is no mounting plate for the rear of the board.

 

Temperatures are definitely more than I am used to coming from a delidded 9900k. But still manageable @ 8/16 5.3GHz all core. I honestly did the RMA before I really got to do any sufficient testing. 

 

More than happy to talk in a PM about it or maybe I should create an ADL thread...

Edited January 2, 2022 by Avacado

[J7SC_Orion]

On 30/12/2021 at 10:25, ENTERPRISE said:

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The DDR5 shortage plus hefty board prices keep a lot of folks I know either in a holding pattern, or going for Ryzen. I 'almost' picked up a new Z690 Maximus Hero the other day (they had a stack of them), but decided to wait a while as my computing focus is a weird combo of pro-sumer and oc'ing...in Asus board speak, that would be the Z690 ProArt Creator or the Z690 Formula.

 

In any case, there was no decent DDR5 available, so I decided to wait...good thing, too, as the Z690 Hero got into the news re. smoke, fire and general deadness later that same day, depending on whether a memory-related component was mounted upside down...Now, I've noticed with various other computer related parts that quality issues and RMAs seem to be on the rise - could be the pandemic, other supply chain issues etc. Going with 'tried and true' instead of brand-spanking new might not be such a bad approach for now, never mind that the 'Alder Lake' hype is a bit over the top - my fastest Zen 3 still scores well over 32K in CB R23, for example. From what I read, there are also various issues re. DDR5 RAM settings on Alder Lake that check out fine in extended testing - until the next reboot when it doesn't. It all sounds like not quite ready for prime-time to me. 

 

Overall, it may make sense to either go with a Ryzen Zen 3, or wait until DDR5 availability and pricing have stabilized, along with the relevant mobo bios...never mind that SK Hynix is now talking about DDR5 8000...by that time, I can also form a better comparative view re. Zen4 or post-Alder Lake Intel LG1700. 

[Sir Beregond]

Yeah it just doesn't pay to go the early adopter route for new RAM. It was the same thing when DDR3 and DDR4 came out - though obviously supply issues worse now. But if one has that kinda money to throw around, sure go for it.

 

Personally, I bought into a dead platform coming from my 4790k, but I figured heck, it's a mature platform at this point and I can maybe grab one of those Zen 3D CPUs when they come out or a year or so from now.

[Avacado]

31 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

Yeah it just doesn't pay to go the early adopter route for new RAM. It was the same thing when DDR3 and DDR4 came out - though obviously supply issues worse now. But if one has that kinda money to throw around, sure go for it.

 

Personally, I bought into a dead platform coming from my 4790k, but I figured heck, it's a mature platform at this point and I can maybe grab one of those Zen 3D CPUs when they come out or a year or so from now.

Exactly. I am pretty fortunate in having funds for hobbies. The only reason I bought it is because I am tired of getting creamed on HWBot. ADL is leaving my 9900k @5.4GHz in the dust. 

[UltraMega]

I planned my last upgrade around DDR5. I decided to do my most recent upgrade to a 16 thread CPU on DDR4 when I did because I didn't want to be an early adopter for DDR5. I planned around this well over a year ago. I wonder how many others had similar upgrade strategies. 

[J7SC_Orion]

56 minutes ago, Sir Beregond said:

Yeah it just doesn't pay to go the early adopter route for new RAM. It was the same thing when DDR3 and DDR4 came out - though obviously supply issues worse now. But if one has that kinda money to throw around, sure go for it.

 

Personally, I bought into a dead platform coming from my 4790k, but I figured heck, it's a mature platform at this point and I can maybe grab one of those Zen 3D CPUs when they come out or a year or so from now.

 

I was an early adopter of X99 / DDR4 when that first came out, so I'm going to wait this time around... Active at the time at HWBot, I was also doing some testing for a big chain here for X99/DDR4...Most disturbing were the early X99 DDR4 board bios I was testing (Asus), the Prime failed within one day, and two Rampage Ex followed suit in short order, taking the respective 5960s with it (which were ES / retailers' samples, so no loss to me). The early bios had bugs which would result in massive auto-overvolting of VCCSA, VCCIO and vCore in a certain sequence, relating in part to the (in)famous OC pins...all that aid, the 'Corsair Dominator Platinum 3000' DDR4 kit wasn't bad re. oc'ing for its time, but later GSkill DDR4 B-die beat the pants off it for half the price. IMO, an Intel 5960X HEDT Quad channel with DDR4 3333 is still useful today...

 

Another reason to hang back a bit quite apart from DDR5 maturity/pricing/availability and also wanting a look at Zen4 is Intel's LGA1800 expected for the 13th gen.

[Avacado]

Indeed. Many reasons to NOT upgrade. I didn't really have any and I wanted to play. 

[J7SC_Orion]

12 minutes ago, Avacado said:

Indeed. Many reasons to NOT upgrade. I didn't really have any and I wanted to play. 

 

...none of this should take the fun out for those with their new CPU and board, as long as one can be be patient re. bios updates and the like...and be lucky re. finding the right DDR5 sticks (6800 CL36 would be nice).

 

That said, there are explanations re. the OP story why the Intel 12th gen uptake is not as quick as perhaps hoped...DDR5 lacking in sufficient numbers and quality before the Christmas retail season looms big

[ciarlatano]

7 hours ago, Avacado said:

Love the board (DDR5). I own the DDR4 version (ASUS z690-p) as well because I am waiting on a RAM RMA. The DDR4 board is crap. Limited features, no POST LED indication lights AT ALL on the mobo, RAM training problems etc... I can go on and on. I will be returning the DDR4 board. Please do your homework when buying the DDR4 version. 

 

They quite possibly could suffer from mounting pressure issues. There are 2 possible mounting configurations that the board allows for. I chose the closer pattern and have been satisfied. The block is a direct attachment (No mounting springs). I could certainly see how putting too much torque on either configuration would lead to bowing in the middle of the coldplate causing inadequate contact. There is no mounting plate for the rear of the board.

 

Temperatures are definitely more than I am used to coming from a delidded 9900k. But still manageable @ 8/16 5.3GHz all core. I honestly did the RMA before I really got to do any sufficient testing. 

 

More than happy to talk in a PM about it or maybe I should create an ADL thread...

 

Ugh....my bad. I had it in my mind that the Prime A came in a DDR4 version, but only the Strix A does. Have never wanted any part of the P. We will see where the prices shake out. I may just have to go with a TUF or MSI board plus a Quadro.

[Snakecharmed]

I'm also reconsidering whether I really want to wait for DDR5 supply to stabilize and performance to reach the levels it should reach. I'm now considering going with Zen 3D V-Cache and DDR4 since Zen 4 for Ryzen is realistically going to be a 2023 product at the earliest in terms of mass availability and I'm sure we'll still have supply issues with DDR5 then too.

Edited January 2, 2022 by Snakecharmed