Forums first comp: CPUz Benchmark

[J7SC_Orion]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nice Cinebench run. I like that it runs on Linux, too. Not sure how much more nonsense I can tolerate from the Redmond Reprobates.

 

  

...I feel you re. Microsoft Redmond stuff...I don't know how many times I successfully 'killed' or disabled' Cortana and Microsoft Edge for example, only to have them pop up again after the next 'security patch update'. Never mind their incessant need re. their attempted cloud interweaving into my home office systems (in a different country / jurisdiction), even if I manage a software firm re. IP protection...in spite of all the warnings and court judgements against Microsoft, to them, it is just the cost of doing business. 

 

With that in mind, most of our commercial stuff is now on some form of xBSD and Linux. I would still dearly love to switch over everything else, but there's 'DirectX'....if that could be substituted for on a larger scale (ie. beyond Vulkan) I would be 'outta here'.

 

Kudos re. your Cinebench R23!  Re. below, I realize that 16 full-test cores / 32 threads are a different ballgame than Alder Lake, even at ambient temps...I'm just now getting ready for Z690 (only have the mobo so far), but what you posted is extremely impressive !

 

FYI, between the 3950X and 5950X results for CineBR23 below, I can't tell the difference at all in daily ops...

  

 

 

 

Edited March 17, 2022 by J7SC_Orion
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[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, ArchStanton said:

@Mr. Foxwhen you close your eyes at night, do you dream of CBR23 30K?  Great looking stuff per usual .

Thank you. No, but 32K would be nice. Already broke 31.5K, but not on Linux using wine at only 5.2GHz.

 

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Mr. Fox`s Cinebench - R23 Multi Core with BenchMate score: 31537 cb with a Core i9 12900K

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The Core i9 12900K @ 5454MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the Cinebench - R23 Multi Core with BenchMate...

Edited March 18, 2022 by Mr. Fox

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, J7SC_Orion said:

  

...I feel you re. Microsoft Redmond stuff...I don't know how many times I successfully 'killed' or disabled' Cortana and Microsoft Edge for example, only to have them pop up again after the next 'security patch update'. Never mind their incessant need re. their attempted cloud interweaving into my home office systems (in a different country / jurisdiction), even if I manage a software firm re. IP protection...in spite of all the warnings and court judgements against Microsoft, to them, it is just the cost of doing business. 

 

With that in mind, most of our commercial stuff is now on some form of xBSD and Linux. I would still dearly love to switch over everything else, but there's 'DirectX'....if that could be substituted for on a larger scale (ie. beyond Vulkan) I would be 'outta here'.

 

Kudos re. your Cinebench R23!  Re. below, I realize that 16 full-test cores / 32 threads are a different ballgame than Alder Lake, even at ambient temps...I'm just now getting ready for Z690 (only have the mobo so far), but what you posted is extremely impressive !

 

FYI, between the 3950X and 5950X results for CineBR23 below, I can't tell the difference at all in daily ops...

  

 

 

 

I pretty much butcher my Windows installations so they are totally FUBAR'd. I don't really give a rat's butt about security. I run for years with no updates and no antivirus software on the OSes I care about. I run scripts that physically remove Defender, disable updates, delete "essential" (essentially worthless) Micro$lop Services using Nsudo, etc. 

 

Then I have what I call a disposable crash dummy (stock) Windows installation that I leave exposed to the cancer and when it gets too bogged down with their worthless filth I restore a Macrium Reflect image on that drive and let the losers start their cycle of digital "update" scum all over again. I figure that the only way my spitefulness, hate and disrespect for their broken filth can be validated as having merit is by allowing them space to do their worst without them having the ability to affect me in a way that actually matters. That way, their stupidity and incompetence never creates an impediment or inconvenience for me. 

 

Both of my desktops are multiboot. Both have the disposable crash dummy OS, plus 2 versions of LTSC, Windows 7, Linux, and one of the crash dummy trash buckets is Winduhz 11.  When I render a verdict of guilty and pass judgement on their crimes it is based on my experience as a victor that has triumphed in spite of their plan to make me a victim. 

 

Edited March 18, 2022 by Mr. Fox

[ArchStanton]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I pretty much...  ...  ...in spite of their plan to make me a victim. 

I swear, there were bagpipes playing while I read it.  I felt like the clan had been called to battle .

 

P.S. D@#n it, I was "sure" you probably already had broken 30K on CBR23 and posted it elsewhere, but after going backwards 2 pages in this thread and also looking at your recent postings on this forum, I got lazy and decided maybe you hadn't.  Regardless, I shall continue to imagine the competitor in you was leaning in towards the monitor hoping to see 30k in the Linux based CB runs .

[Bastiaan_NL]

A little update on my 12900KF:

5.3ghz all pcore, 4.2ghz ecore, 4.6ghz cache, 6600mhz mem

12614.8 all/ 865.7 single = 13480.5 total
This is it for now, not trying to go any further until I am able to fix the heat issues on this chip. (tried about a dozen things, not much luck)

Edited March 20, 2022 by Bastiaan_NL

[J7SC_Orion]

1 hour ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

A little update on my 12900KF:

5.3ghz all pcore, 4.2ghz ecore, 4.6ghz cache, 6600mhz mem

12614.8 all/ 865.7 single = 13480.5 total
This is it for now, not trying to go any further until I am able to fix the heat issues on this chip. (tried about a dozen things, not much luck)

 

Nice one !, Bastiaan I'm looking forward to some Z690 fun myself, but so far my mobo is 'totally air-cooled,' as in nothing on it....waiting for KS and the DDR5 I want to release. BTW, which water-block are you using for the LG1700 ? I'm thinking I'll stick with the usual suspects...

[Bastiaan_NL]

1 hour ago, J7SC_Orion said:

 

Nice one !, Bastiaan I'm looking forward to some Z690 fun myself, but so far my mobo is 'totally air-cooled,' as in nothing on it....waiting for KS and the DDR5 I want to release. BTW, which water-block are you using for the LG1700 ? I'm thinking I'll stick with the usual suspects...

Thanks J.
I'm looking forward to your z690 submissions, though I'm sure it won't be hard for you to beat me
At first I was thinking about a KS too, but I didn't want to wait. I'm using the Heatkiller IV on mine, but for some reason that is not enough. Thermal paste imprint looks perfect, doesn't look like it has deep spots or anything.
I tried adding some washers to the retention bracket like suggested online but that made it worse. So I went back and now I'm still stuck with 90°C load with a good flowing  system and a lot of radiator surface. 
Direct die cooling will be the next step if I can find something I like...

[J7SC_Orion]

47 minutes ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

Thanks J.
I'm looking forward to your z690 submissions, though I'm sure it won't be hard for you to beat me
At first I was thinking about a KS too, but I didn't want to wait. I'm using the Heatkiller IV on mine, but for some reason that is not enough. Thermal paste imprint looks perfect, doesn't look like it has deep spots or anything.
I tried adding some washers to the retention bracket like suggested online but that made it worse. So I went back and now I'm still stuck with 90°C load with a good flowing  system and a lot of radiator surface. 
Direct die cooling will be the next step if I can find something I like...

 

Tx Bastiaan - yeah, I've read a lot about 12900kx cooling issues, bending IHS and/or boards, extra washers and the like...as they shrink the bigger monolithic dies down re. nm, that will become even more of an issue. I haven't delidded since Z77 for direct-die, but I might have to sharpen those razer blades (or buy s.th. from DerBauer)  

[Storm-Chaser]

Currently massing parts for a dual processor workstation which will perhaps be a little more competitive against the IPC king, the 12900K

 

-HP Z840 core (supports up to two processors).

-Two Xeon 18 Core E5 2696v3 processors (total will be 36C/72T)

-3.8 GHz turbo, perhaps can be turbo hacked

-145 W TDP

-Octal Channel DDR4 memory 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

On 17/03/2022 at 16:31, J7SC_Orion said:

  

...I feel you re. Microsoft Redmond stuff...I don't know how many times I successfully 'killed' or disabled' Cortana and Microsoft Edge for example, only to have them pop up again after the next 'security patch update'. Never mind their incessant need re. their attempted cloud interweaving into my home office systems (in a different country / jurisdiction), even if I manage a software firm re. IP protection...in spite of all the warnings and court judgements against Microsoft, to them, it is just the cost of doing business. 

 

With that in mind, most of our commercial stuff is now on some form of xBSD and Linux. I would still dearly love to switch over everything else, but there's 'DirectX'....if that could be substituted for on a larger scale (ie. beyond Vulkan) I would be 'outta here'.

 

Kudos re. your Cinebench R23!  Re. below, I realize that 16 full-test cores / 32 threads are a different ballgame than Alder Lake, even at ambient temps...I'm just now getting ready for Z690 (only have the mobo so far), but what you posted is extremely impressive !

 

FYI, between the 3950X and 5950X results for CineBR23 below, I can't tell the difference at all in daily ops...

  

 

 

 

Thank you. It is pretty amazing that only an 8 core hyperthreaded CPU with a extra 8 garbage cores can run this fast and be so crazy powerful. It would have been especially nice to see a 12- or 16-core version without the wimpy baby-girl e-cores. Overall, I really like the platform, but I have yet to embrace the concept of the crappy core architecture. That part aside, I am glad I spent the money on it. 

 

Linux still has some broken functionality with Alder Lake. Hopefully full support won't be too long coming. Some of the software I use on Linux (such as cpufrquency-gui) refuse to launch and CPU-X reports erroneous information. Until it affects more Linux-only software developers it probably won't get fixed because it doesn't matter so much to them.

 

Edited March 25, 2022 by Mr. Fox

[ArchStanton]

Too lazy this morning to do the research and math myself.  If we remove those two e-core clusters of 4 and replace them with 2 full p-cores, does peak power go up or down?

[Mr. Fox]

47 minutes ago, ArchStanton said:

Too lazy this morning to do the research and math myself.  If we remove those two e-core clusters of 4 and replace them with 2 full p-cores, does peak power go up or down?

I'm way too lazy to stop and figure it out, especially when it's not something I am curious about. If I had to guess, it would probably be close to the same in terms of power, but probably significantly more performant. Plus, I wouldn't care too much if the power consumption increased. That has never been something that mattered to me other than my belief that more is better. I've never been a believer in the silly notion of doing more with less... always more with more. I never cared that my 7980XE pulled 1100W from the wall in Cinebench when pushed to 53x on all cores. It was actually pretty awesome.

 

The cynical part of my personality expects Intel to do something like that as a middle finger salute to 12900K/KF owners to show their (lack of) appreciation for buying a flagship product that gets moved to second fiddle in the same product generation. Just like the Green Goblin and 3090 Ti. "Thanks for stepping up and buying our best. Enjoy this ice pick in your back, fella." Intel kind of already is doing it with the 12900KS, but that's more of a binning thing than a unexpected surprise flagship replacement.

 

Edited March 25, 2022 by Mr. Fox

[ArchStanton]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Plus, I wouldn't care too much if the power consumption increased.

100%. Prosumers would doubtless find a way to cool it.  My question arose more from a "why isn't this already a thing" frame of mind, and I suspect you are correct regarding Intel's plans.  It leaves them with another card to play if 5800X3D turns out to be something other than the total dumpster fire DOA product it currently looks like to me.

[Mr. Fox]

11 minutes ago, ArchStanton said:

if 5800X3D turns out to be something other than the total dumpster fire DOA product it currently looks like to me

I already had doubts about AMD's intelligence and that POS 5800X3D threw gasoline on the fire. I still haven't healed from my deep regrets over the money I flushed down the toilet on an X570/5950X turd system. I only fault myself for that though... should have listened to that still small voice that was telling me "no, don't do it" and I would have come out of it about $1,300 richer. I enjoyed the nice Cinebench scores for a few minutes, but the overall lackluster nature of the product as a whole and the defects it carried was a situation that I found impossible to forgive.

 

 

Edited March 25, 2022 by Mr. Fox

[J7SC_Orion]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thank you. It is pretty amazing that only an 8 core hyperthreaded CPU with a extra 8 garbage cores can run this fast and be so crazy powerful. It would have been especially nice to see a 12- or 16-core version without the wimpy baby-girl e-cores. Overall, I really like the platform, but I have yet to embrace the concept of the crappy core architecture. That part aside, I am glad I spent the money on it. 

 

Linux still has some broken functionality with Alder Lake. Hopefully full support won't be too long coming. Some of the software I use on Linux (such as cpufrquency-gui) refuse to launch and CPU-X reports erroneous information. Until it affects more Linux-only software developers it probably won't get fixed because it doesn't matter so much to them.

 

  

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I already had doubts about AMD's intelligence and that POS 5800X3D threw gasoline on the fire. I still haven't healed from my deep regrets over the money I flushed down the toilet on an X570/5950X turd system. I only fault myself for that though... should have listened to that still small voice that was telling me "no, don't do it" and I would have come out of it about $1,300 richer. I enjoyed the nice Cinebench scores for a few minutes, but the overall lackluster nature of the product as a whole and the defects it carried was a situation that I found impossible to forgive.

 

 

 

As much as I look forward to the new build around the Z690 Unify-X, I think the 'real' Intel kicker will be Meteor Lake as Intel rushed A L to try to make up lost ground due to prior bad management decisions, IMO. Since I already have plenty of modern systems, I can wait at least for the 12900KS at this late stage, or Raptor Lake (for LG1700). I also want to see some additional 'speed & timing' steps the DDR5 offerings which are sure to follow.

 

Leaving out the issues around the yet-to-be-released-and-fully-tested 5800X3, I have been nothing but thrilled by my AMD systems (well beyond Cinebench ), whether it is the 2950X, 3950X or 5950X. These were/are my first AMD CPUs (I still run more Intel CPUs overall, mostly HEDT) and I have zero complaints, especially at the prices I paid.

 

I've had no issues re. bios, speed or anything else really, and the 5950X is very fast, even on low core / single core, compared to most CPU - never mind 16C/32T. Apart from that, ALL work-play system in my home office, including both systems below, run 4K anyhow (up to 120Hz / oled), so marginal CPU differences are much less pronounced.

 

So you might say that I have graduated to disliking Intel and AMD more or less equally now...

 

[ArchStanton]

22 minutes ago, J7SC_Orion said:

I have graduated to disliking Intel and AMD more or less equally now...

ah, an "equal opportunity" curmudgeon 

[Sir Beregond]

1 hour ago, ArchStanton said:

ah, an "equal opportunity" curmudgeon 

Exactly! Equal opportunity hater of everything.

 

Well I am getting my first AMD based system since probably the mid-2000s with my 5900X build. Will see how it goes. 

Edited March 25, 2022 by Sir Beregond

[Bastiaan_NL]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It is pretty amazing that only an 8 core hyperthreaded CPU with a extra 8 garbage cores can run this fast and be so crazy powerful.

I nearly pissed myself

We're calling it G-cores from now on!

 

Intel Pentium Gold G7400 @ 5.598ghz

2330.3 multi, 879.5 single = 3209.8

 

[ArchStanton]

5 minutes ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

879.5 single

Stop stop stop.  You are going to make my AMD built epeen fall off.

[J7SC_Orion]

34 minutes ago, Bastiaan_NL said:

I nearly pissed myself

We're calling it G-cores from now on!

 

Intel Pentium Gold G7400 @ 5.598ghz

2330.3 multi, 879.5 single = 3209.8

 

 

Very noice ! 900 SC next ?

 

Also, by the time you forgot...

 

Spoiler

   

...the first names of all your friends at home, time to take a break !
speaking from experience 

  

 

^ = humor  

 

[Sir Beregond]

44 minutes ago, ArchStanton said:

Stop stop stop.  You are going to make my AMD built epeen fall off.

[damric]

This little guy arrived yesterday and I just got to install it. Here's stock. I'll see if I have time to tune it up soon.

 

Oddly faster than 5600x according to 

AMD Ryzen 5 5600G @ 4450.56 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

VALID.X86.FR

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[zq8m2s] Validated Dump by damric (2022-03-25 23:33:50) - MB: ASRock X470 Taichi - RAM: 32768 MB

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

18 hours ago, Sir Beregond said:

Exactly! Equal opportunity hater of everything.

 

Well I am getting my first AMD based system since probably the mid-2000s with my 5900X build. Will see how it goes. 

I was super excited about the 5950X build... like a kid at Christmas. I had been anti-AMD, and for good reason, for about a decade after some major product failures and disappointments with their brand. Once upon a time, I was a team red fanboy. That was all I owned for a time. But, that ended with a long string of product failures and disappointments that spanned a few years, mostly with defective GPUs, (about 11 in total,) buggy drivers, and lackluster overclocking. With a heavy heart at the time, I gave up on the brand. I shook the dust off of my feet, went back to Intel and NVIDIA, and never looked back. I typically don't care about brand and I only practice brand loyalty to the extent that it serves my interests. My natural tendency is to blacklist brands that disappoint me. I am lenient to the extent I give second chances, but beyond that it becomes difficult for a brand to redeem themselves. Ryzen 9 got them off the perma-ban list with me... at least intially.  

 

I started noticing signs of improvement early on with Ryzen development. It was encouraging. Not enough to make me care at first, but things were trending positively on the CPU side of things. Then here came the impressive and beastly Ryzen 9 5950X benchmark scores. I drooled over the amazing Cinebench runs I saw posted on HWBOT and impressive 3DMark physics scores. After a lot of hemming and hawing I decided to bury the hatchet, forgive the past and dive back into the red pool. I thought my overclocking experience would allow me to improve on the results I was seeing from most 5950X owners and jumped in head-first with great optimism and high expectations.

 

I was very disappointed with my purchase. The system I had suffered from the USB dropout problem and none of the fixes fixed anything. About 90% of the time, none of my connected USB peripherals worked without unplugging and reconnecting them (dozens of times every day) and WHEA errors numbered in the thousands. I frequently had to power off the PSU to clear the "00" POST code on a cold boot. Overclocking abilities were lackluster (about 500MHz less than the 7960X and 7980XE processors I loved owning). I found AMD's approach to overclocking and the PBO thing to be an absolute joke. The AMD UEFI firmware is a mess, and having to use software in Windows to improve results simply added insult to injury. (I appreciate the efforts by 1usmus to try to remedy the situation using his software. It helps a little bit.) Thermal management of 5950X was more difficult than Intel, despite having the same core count as the 7960X. Running under chilled water helped, but it didn't appreciably enhance overclocking headroom. Delidding made it worse, not better. Memory latency was totally absurd. After about 90 days of struggle and disappointment, more time wasted with troubleshooting than having fun, and failing to identify a reason I should like it other than a few impressive benchmark scores, I sold the 5950X, Crosshair and EK Quantum monoblock at a huge loss on eBay and went back to Intel. I tried very hard to like it and failed. The monetary loss was painful. 

 

Edited March 26, 2022 by Mr. Fox

[Sir Beregond]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I was super excited about the 5950X build... like a kid at Christmas. I had been anti-AMD, and for good reason, for about a decade after some major product failures and disappointments with their brand. Once upon a time, I was a team red fanboy. That was all I owned for a time. But, that ended with a long string of product failures and disappointments that spanned a few years, mostly with defective GPUs, (about 11 in total,) buggy drivers, and lackluster overclocking. With a heavy heart at the time, I gave up on the brand. I shook the dust off of my feet, went back to Intel and NVIDIA, and never looked back. I typically don't care about brand and I only practice brand loyalty to the extent that it serves my interests. My natural tendency is to blacklist brands that disappoint me. I am lenient to the extent I give second chances, but beyond that it becomes difficult for a brand to redeem themselves. Ryzen 9 got them off the perma-ban list with me... at least intially.  

 

I started noticing signs of improvement early on with Ryzen development. It was encouraging. Not enough to make me care at first, but things were trending positively on the CPU side of things. Then here came the impressive and beastly Ryzen 9 5950X benchmark scores. I drooled over the amazing Cinebench runs I saw posted on HWBOT and impressive 3DMark physics scores. After a lot of hemming and hawing I decided to bury the hatchet, forgive the past and dive back into the red pool. I thought my overclocking experience would allow me to improve on the results I was seeing from most 5950X owners and jumped in head-first with great optimism and high expectations.

 

I was very disappointed with my purchase. The system I had suffered from the USB dropout problem and none of the fixes fixed anything. About 90% of the time, none of my connected USB peripherals worked without unplugging and reconnecting them (dozens of times every day) and WHEA errors numbered in the thousands. I frequently had to power off the PSU to clear the "00" POST code on a cold boot. Overclocking abilities were lackluster (about 500MHz less than the 7960X and 7980XE processors I loved owning). I found AMD's approach to overclocking and the PBO thing to be an absolute joke. The AMD UEFI firmware is a mess, and having to use software in Windows to improve results simply added insult to injury. (I appreciate the efforts by 1usmus to try to remedy the situation using his software. It helps a little bit.) Thermal management of 5950X was more difficult than Intel, despite having the same core count as the 7960X. Running under chilled water helped, but it didn't appreciably enhance overclocking headroom. Delidding made it worse, not better. Memory latency was totally absurd. After about 90 days of struggle and disappointment, more time wasted with troubleshooting than having fun, and failing to identify a reason I should like it other than a few impressive benchmark scores, I sold the 5950X, Crosshair and EK Quantum monoblock at a huge loss on eBay and went back to Intel. I tried very hard to like it and failed. The monetary loss was painful. 

 

Sometimes how it goes unfortunately. Thanks for sharing your experience. Will let you know if I encounter any similar bugs when I get mine up and running.

[damric]

Messing around overclocking this 5600G a bit. I'm nowhere near finding the max benchable settings or a good stable 24/7 yet. These are auto-timings too. Validation says faster than i5-12600 now lol.

 

AMD Ryzen 5 5600G @ 4898.86 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

VALID.X86.FR

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[gsdt6n] Validated Dump by damric (2022-03-26 18:28:33) - MB: ASRock X470 Taichi - RAM: 32768 MB